He had one town game not long ago where he was lynched early on for being too active I think.
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He had one town game not long ago where he was lynched early on for being too active I think.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
sorry i forgot to reply before in my hurry to catch up,
but i am actually completely for the peeking strat this game.
to me it actually makes way more sense in a role madness game than in a normal one.
Everybody claims whom they "peeked" during the night and their alignment. The real cop(s) peeks their actual target so we get clear view when they flip.
Obvs we peek townies. If cop finds scum they should claim.
Uh. If there is a cop, scum would be most likely able to figure that person out after few nights, if this plan was used.
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You're not going to spend 3 pages arguing against it?
There we go. Order is restored in the universe.
I don't get it, how would this realistically work?
melonrabbit
Member
Thank you, Stanley for talking sense.
Haly, tomorrow (D2) we all agree to post first thing something along the lines of "I peeked on Sorian and he was town" and so forth thus allowing real cop to breadcrumb and safety post each day whof they have instigated. We all have to agree or it obviously doesn't work.
Xamtheking
Member
And we don't even know if Town has a Cop, for all we know Scum has a Cop
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
its a way to help hide whatever cops we might have among us, as well as give them a safe way give thier results before the fully reveal themselves.
basically what happens is at the start of each day phase. every player will say "last night i peeked [player] and got a green cheek".
now these are lies, dont really mean anything, and will be pretty much ignored while we get on with the game. but the idea is that the real cop is doing the same thing, and giving their real results.
this way, if the cop should die before they reveal themselves, we can go back and see everyone they verified, so their investigations dont go to waste.
Oh, that makes sense now. What's stopping scum from hitting them N2 or 3 though if they hit scum/town?
I don't expect a cop to hit more than 1 scum with their ability honestly. A 1 for 1 trade is fine by me. I don't remember the last game where a cop found multiples and also delivered on all that information. Maybe Darryl in Archer Mafia, but they had a whole Illuminati inner circle thing going on. Plus, anyone the cop exonerates after they die (and their role revealed) is just more information for the rest of us.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
well to help with this players will usually peek those they already town read. not follproof but should at least help.
and in a game with 22 people, if all are participating, its not going to whitle down all that fast.
melonrabbit
Member
I'm just trying to be proactive guys.
So far we have mass claim or peeking or just doing what we always do on D1 and make it a shitshow.
So far we have mass claim or peeking or just doing what we always do on D1 and make it a shitshow.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
If a scum player becomes universally town-read though... something like Sawneeks in Pokémon mafia.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
and sometimes i plug my usb stick in right on the first try.
do you have any reason to believe that was because of the peeking?
Xamtheking
Member
Yeah, I have experience in being town-read to victory
But in a game like this where everyone has a power, it'll probably be easier to find out more things about people
What does that have to do with the results that the ACTUAL cop provides
That was on like D5 tho.
Yes. I modded that game, and the scum told post-game that the peeking made them find the real cop immediately. This was in 2009.
melonrabbit
Member
Then the cop might want to look at them?
There are holes, yes. But I do think it could be beneficial in this setup.
VOTE: Ty4on
That's an interesting strategy. I for one am against it. Personally I don't think there is a cop in this game (at the least not a standard one), seems a super boring inclusion in a role madness game.
As I don't think there's a cop, going through the motions would be a waste of time and most likely serve to act as cover for scum.
Also Ouro seems to be acting fairly normally, maybe a little more active than I recall, doesn't tell me much about alignment at this point.
That's an interesting strategy. I for one am against it. Personally I don't think there is a cop in this game (at the least not a standard one), seems a super boring inclusion in a role madness game.
As I don't think there's a cop, going through the motions would be a waste of time and most likely serve to act as cover for scum.
Also Ouro seems to be acting fairly normally, maybe a little more active than I recall, doesn't tell me much about alignment at this point.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
okay, but can you elaborate on this?
right now all im hearing is "nah it doesnt work"
i would really like to have some actual reasoning to work with.
melonrabbit
Member
Didn't they start peeking on like D4 tho?
Let's say we have 22 players. On D2 there are 20 left, and we do the peeking.
And then 8 people say they green checked a scum, maybe because some scum is very town read.
That leaves 12, out of which 4-5 were the real scum. Just 7-8 real possible cops left. Scum is able to figure out the real cop from that, and kill them on N3. Town is left with a single green check.
Yes, but most of the fake peeks given were of already dead players (they gave three fake peeks). Around 70% of players gave a single living peek, and those were almost all green scum checks.
Right, but it's still a green check.
Hmmm..so you did, I clearly wasn't reading closely enough and assumed Ty had since he explained it above.
VOTE: melonrabbit
I'd still rather vote Ty over Melon
That's why you spread peeks out more? 8 people peeking the same person seems a bit excessive.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
that is a lot of assumptions to make.
like you arnt totally wrong, this is certainly a very real risk, but you seem to be saying that this is way more likely to happen then it necessarily is.
melonrabbit
Member
But it isn't just a cop, we know there are town PRs. They can help protect the cop. If scum know, town is likely to know by then too. Peeking isn't perfect but it's like the cop is acting alone.
Let's say Ourobolus is scum, and also town read by lot of people. So lot of people fake peek ouro, and give a green check.
Now scum can easily deduce that all those Ouro checks are not real cops. It suddenly becomes much easier to find the real cop, all the while nobody suspects Ouro checks are the reason for it.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Nobody ever targets me on N1 so it's cool
melonrabbit
Member
You reasoning has a lot of assumptions. As I've said, if anyone has better ideas you're welcome to suggest them. Why don't you think there's a cop?
If we assume there are 5 scum, and we lynch town today, there are 21 players alive on N1. So you have 20 targets. 25% chance to accidentally green check scum, if you do it absolutely by random pick.
How can town PR help? They don't have the advantage scum does of knowing what green checks are false, since they don't know who scum is.
I'm working on the single experience I have of this tactic being used.