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[SliceSabre]

I think Torbjorn's turret could track a little more slowly. I'm an absolute rubbish player and I had two games with him last night where I got 37 and 31 kills respectively.

Or maybe some teams just refuse to swap out characters to deal with an issue like that? I want to watch some high level play and see how they deal with the turrets.


This was on PS4.

It's really crazy to see how different the meta is on PC and consoles.

I think part of it is simply people refusing to not be their favorite character and insisting on charging in there thinking they can take out the turret and sometimes they do, and then the Torb shotguns them in the back and replaces it.

Being a Torb against a smart Pharah, Widow or Genji is the worst.

 

[SanguineShark]

Console players when we are saying Widow is not only viable, but overpowered.

Very few decent widowmakers exist on console, and I'm honestly glad.

This sounds very similar to pc players not understanding torb stacks are a bit op with console analog stick limitations

I hope they don't nerf Widowmaker on consoles, as she will end up becoming a high skill cap shitty version of Hanzo.

 

[vixlar]

Quick question: is Bastion's Ultimate based on a timer or based on how many shots he shoots out once active?

It is a timer. You can see it on the left of his HUD. It is like a fuel meter, but it also has a number counting down.

 

[Platinum Mad]

Quick question: is Bastion's Ultimate based on a timer or based on how many shots he shoots out once active?

Pretty sure it's based on time but not 100% certain.

 

[yeehamuffins]

Quick question: is Bastion's Ultimate based on a timer or based on how many shots he shoots out once active?

I believe for all characters it's both: your ult. meter slowly ticks up over time, but goes up faster based on damage dealt and other points scored (healing and blocking for characters who do those things, etc.).

EDIT: Oh, you meant how long it lasts after triggering it, nm.

 

[LiK]

Thanks guys. I was asking because I need that trophy and I wasn't sure. I'll be sure to spam it more since it's a timer. I don't want to play Bastion ever again after getting it. Lol

 

[Entropia]

Quick question: is Bastion's Ultimate based on a timer or based on how many shots he shoots out once active?

It's a timer. Someone above pointed out, just to the left of the center of the screen you can see a timer.

 

[PatjuhR]

I'm really bad with certain ults btw. I'm especially talking about Genji, Bastion and Junkrat.

I get I feeling that I have to do good and force to much. I'm all over the place for example with Genji. And with Junkrat's RIP-TIRE I do crazy things like exploding it in the middle of nowhere. And don't even get me started on Bastion's Tank form.

I'm just not good with ults that I still have to do something myself after activating. I panic.

 

[RemiLP]

I play on PS4 and I believe Torb is fine as he is (beat a pub team of 6 of them defending Volskaya the other day and I was the only D.Va...), but it's easy to see how people on console would have a harder time dealing with the perfect aim and reactions of his turrets. 360 degree sensors also mean you can rarely get the drop on them.

Moreso than anything I get sick of seeing his POTGs, mainly because they're so boring.

How did you deal with them?

I was on a team of 6 Torbjørns the other day, and we destroyed the other team. They never killed more that 1 turet at a time, and then it was back up again within seconds.

I have a hard time imagening how a pub team of randoms can deal with that, so i will have no idea what to do if i ever face one.

You pretty much have 12 guns pointed at you through a choke point, 6 of them with auto aim and almost instant tracking + 6 guys spamming armour packs at each other. And Torbjørns main gun is pretty good aswell i think, both at range and in close range.

 

[Tyreny]

http://www.planetoverwatch.org/13-overwatch-tier-list-and-hero-meta-report-1-hero-limit-and-you

New meta and tier list report of the last tournament week-end is up.

Good read !

Really interesting conclusion essentially being "1 hero limit isn't fun or interesting" implying that it isn't going to fly long term in competitive scenarios and therefore probably not become the "best" way to play Overwatch.

 

[SanguineShark]

Really interesting conclusion essentially being "1 hero limit isn't fun or interesting" implying that it isn't going to fly long term in competitive scenarios and therefore probably not become the "best" way to play Overwatch.

Still kind of hope they add it as a permanent mode in the future.

 

[X-Frame]

Console Widowmaker feels awful. Coming from Destiny I find aiming to be a chore and the "weapon handling" on her is awkward as hell. I've only faced a couple really good Widowmaker players on Xbox. Otherwise it isn't uncommon for me to beat them as Mercy more than I lose.

I've been playing Destiny basically since its release and I agree the aiming in general is just off. There is a ton of input lag on console that makes aiming feel "heavy".

 

[Antiwhippy]

But competitive meta is still fucked even without the limits, so it's a balancing thing that needs to happen for a looooooong time, especially when they start introducing new characters.

 

[PatjuhR]

Have you tried Winston? Or even D.Va? Because I've ruined a Widowmakers day with both those characters. In fact I believe if you're Winston and you're not murdering Widowmakers on the other team every moment you and they are alive at the same time you're not doing your job.

That was my point aswell. I mentioned Tracer, Reaper and Winston as Widowmaker killer, but the PC people didn't agree with me. I don't know if you are PC or console.

If you are from console I agree with you. If you are from PC I don't know. I don't know how it works there.

 

[RemiLP]

You can't, because turrets are absolutely non viable in competitive play.

Is Torbjørns really that bad against people who knows what they are doing? Even for competetive console games (If there is such a thing)?

 

[LiK]

The rift between PC and console experiences with heroes is getting wider and wider.

 

[Pooya]

just noticed that I'm missing Lockdown achievement despite doing just that like a dozen of times, how you get that exactly? these all seem buggy. Getting all of the achievement seem like a tall order...

 

[robertlebrone]

i hate the fact that to truly counter widowmaker on pc you have to have someone on your team pick widowmaker too

if you stumble upon people that have like 50 hr total gametime and out of that have 30 hrs on just widowmaker, youre pretty much done for

Not true. Winston and to a lesser extent Genji ruin Widowmakers day. Especially Winston.

I play on PC by the way and say this as someone that regularly plays as Widowmaker. If Winston gets in my space I'm screwed.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Is Torbjørns really that bad against people who knows what they are doing? Even for competetive console games (If there is such a thing)?

I use DVa to just completely shut him down, and the stuff I do doesn't require a mice.

Look, seriously though, stop conflating competitive with pub, and it gets even dumber when you add in the disparity of console vs pc. At the end of the day you should have matches that go with your skill level if MMR works right, and competitive will always be a completely different game.

Also my opinion is that competitive looks super boring if it stays the same, which it won't, so whatever.

 

[ScaryShark]

I think Torbjorn's turret could track a little more slowly. I'm an absolute rubbish player and I had two games with him last night where I got 37 and 31 kills respectively.

Or maybe some teams just refuse to swap out characters to deal with an issue like that? I want to watch some high level play and see how they deal with the turrets.


This was on PS4.

It's really crazy to see how different the meta is on PC and consoles.

Don't underestimate the stubbornness of people in this game.

In general, I have no idea how people can play this game with the majority of their team being randoms/no communication but more power to you if you do.

 

[Auctopus]

Easy way to get sniped really.
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Only if I'm right in front of her, which I'm not. I flank and rise directly above her and she can't do anything.

 

[Hazaro]

That was my point aswell. I mentioned Tracer, Reaper and Winston as Widowmaker killer, but the PC people didn't agree with me. I don't know if you are PC or console.

If you are from console I agree with you. If you are from PC I don't know. I don't know how it works there.

Class wise you are correct, but a large part of it is negated by skill at a certain level.
There's a reason why widows in competitive have to attempt grapple snipes on each other.

If I'm Winston I'm getting body shot before I leap, headshot in the air, tapped again, then they grapple away, turn and kill me midair if it's 1v1. That's what bullshit I'm talking about.
Alternatively they observe and listen to audio cues and just grapple to their team, etc. Thats the less salty answer.

 

[PatjuhR]

just noticed that I'm missing Lockdown achievement despite doing just that like a dozen of times, how you get that exactly? these all seem buggy. Getting all of the achievement seem like a tall order...

It's glitched.

 

[saskuatch]

I was in a team the other day on PC where one player was talking about how he was using a controller because it was more comfortable......

 

[ExVicis]

I'm really bad with certain ults btw. I'm especially talking about Genji, Bastion and Junkrat.

I get I feeling that I have to do good and force to much. I'm all over the place for example with Genji. And with Junkrat's RIP-TIRE I do crazy things like exploding it in the middle of nowhere. And don't even get me started on Bastion's Tank form.

I'm just not good with ults that I still have to do something myself after activating. I panic.

Have you tried rocket jumping with Bastion's Ult? Or might help you with positioning to get some eliminations with the projectiles or being in the party of the enemy.

How did you deal with them?

I was on a team of 6 Torbjørns the other day, and we destroyed the other team. They never killed more that 1 turet at a time, and then it was back up again within seconds.

I have a hard time imagening how a pub team of randoms can deal with that, so i will have no idea what to do if i ever face one.

You pretty much have 12 guns pointed at you through a choke point, 6 of them with auto aim and almost instant tracking + 6 guys spamming armour packs at each other. And Torbjørns main gun is pretty good aswell i think, both at range and in close range.

Torbjorn's turret apparently is bad against Armor and shields, so a Reinhardt or maybe two with either Sniper, 76, or even supports could take down a few of those turrets before they get into trouble.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Winston only shuts Widowmaker if Widow herself and her team are extremely oblivious.

In general, I have no idea how people can play this game with the majority of their team being randoms/no communication but more power to you if you do.

lol

 

[gutterboy44]

Even though I love mouse and keyboard, I specifically bought OW on PS4 because that means everyone else is on controllers too. Although this isn't RB6 Siege levels of headshot importance, anyone remotely proficient with a mouse can land head shots for days on game like this. I am so glad for my choice. Widows can be effective, but never have I dreaded their existence. It makes heroes like Pharah more rewarding too. I have been m & k/b since Duke Nukem 3D and only now have I begun to prefer some FPS games on consoles because I appreciate the lower percentage of twitch headshot masters. I stopped playing games to be competitive ages ago.

 

[Grief.exe]

Even though I love mouse and keyboard, I specifically bought OW on PS4 because that means everyone else is on controllers too. Although this isn't RB6 Siege levels of headshot importance, anyone remotely proficient with a mouse can land head shots for days on game like this. I am so glad for my choice. Widows can be effective, but never have I dreaded their existence. It makes heroes like Pharah more rewarding too. I have been m & k/b since Duke Nukem 3D and only now have I begun to prefer some FPS games on consoles because I appreciate the lower percentage of twitch headshot masters. I stopped playing games to be competitive ages ago.

The skill floor on PC is pretty high.

 

[vypek]

just noticed that I'm missing Lockdown achievement despite doing just that like a dozen of times, how you get that exactly? these all seem buggy. Getting all of the achievement seem like a tall order...

Lockdown is 100% bugged. Relatively easy achievement that almost everyone would probably have by now. No one has it yet though.

 

[LiK]

just noticed that I'm missing Lockdown achievement despite doing just that like a dozen of times, how you get that exactly? these all seem buggy. Getting all of the achievement seem like a tall order...

Super glitched and some of the other ones are semi glitched as well. Some people thought they got the 4 kills criteria but it didn't pop.

 

[PatjuhR]

Have you tried rocket jumping with Bastion's Ult? Or might help you with positioning to get some eliminations with the projectiles or being in the party of the enemy.

No, I haven't tried that. I'm normally just shooting around like crazy because panic is telling me to do that. Once I press the ult button it's just black out lol

 

[Heng]

I was in a team the other day on PC where one player was talking about how he was using a controller because it was more comfortable......

Sorry for your loss...

I saved up 12 loot boxes from leveling in the past 2 days and the only thing worth mentioning is Tracer's Sporty skin. It sucks being level 60 with only 3 legendary skins, but I've seen some people with worse luck. At least I got the one I wanted the most (Hanzo's Okami skin). I also have 1500g but I think I'll wait til they release new skins. The only other one I really want is Reinhardt's legendary skin (any of them, they all look great).

 

[TheLetdown]

I dunno. I believe you can't be THAT shit as console Widow. You are incredibly helpfull if you take out turrets and Bastions. That should be enough to be an average Widow. And I think my 90 year old grandma could shoot down not moving targets.

If all you're doing as a Widow is busting turrets (be they Bastion or Tjorb) then that's a bad Widowmaker, to me.

The rift between PC and console experiences with heroes is getting wider and wider.

Yeah, but I think this is going to happen inherently. I'm glad they decided to go the route of balancing the two separately.


In other news, I still suck with Winston. Here and there, I get some good games. I know what he's good at doing conceptually, but I just can seem to get him to do it. I'm way more effective playing disruptor as a D.Va.

 

[ExVicis]

Winston only shuts Widowmaker if Widow herself and her team are extremely oblivious.
lol

A Widowmaker running away from Winston is a Widowmaker not looking through her scope. Even if another player or two decide to head back to pursue you, if you planned it well you'll be able to survive until you can jetpack back to safety. They you find the Widowmaker again after you let your abilities come back and are healthy. Try again and again until she's dead.

Either the Widowmaker is too pressured to pull off head shots or she dies. Either way she is shut out from being as effective as she could be.

 

[Owensboro]

I was in a team the other day on PC where one player was talking about how he was using a controller because it was more comfortable......

Welcome to the world of people growing up learning to use controllers for FPSs before M+KB. In all honesty, controllers are more comfortable for me now too (thanks to wrist problems) but that's the whole reason I bought the game on PS4 instead of PC.

 

[RefigeKru]

I swear with Widow I'll miss shots that looked to have hit the enemy, a shot through the head while they strafe of something and get killed by a Widow who practically misses me but it still counts. Infuriating as I think I could be pretty good with her, I just find the shots whiff too often.

 

[ahoyhoy]

Class wise you are correct, but a large part of it is negated by skill at a certain level.
There's a reason why widows in competitive have to attempt grapple snipes on each other.

If I'm Winston I'm getting body shot before I leap, headshot in the air, tapped again, then they grapple away, turn and kill me midair if it's 1v1. That's what bullshit I'm talking about.
Alternatively they observe and listen to audio cues and just grapple to their team, etc. Thats the less salty answer.

Basically all this. It's getting to the point where it feels like the only true WM counter is another WM, which is stupid.

 

[Felix Lighter]

For Widowmaker, I think decreasing body shot damage and increasing charge time will bring her in line on PC. Making spamming shots ineffective will hit unskilled Widowmakers hard and the skilled Widowmakers won't be able to control the map in the same way if they need to wait longer to take each shot.

 

[LiK]

Welcome to the world of people growing up learning to use controllers for FPSs before M+KB. In all honesty, controllers are more comfortable for me now too (thanks to wrist problems) but that's the whole reason I bought the game on PS4 instead of PC.

I played m/kb FPS first but I do not enjoy playing with m/kb anymore. I love controllers for the rumble and using triggers to shoot. WASD and mouse just annoys me for long stretches now. I understand why some people love precision and speed but I grew outta it.

 

[Snkfanatic]

I was in a team the other day on PC where one player was talking about how he was using a controller because it was more comfortable......

What's the problem? People have preferences.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Hah, I just bought a wired mouse specifically for this game too.

 

[TheCanisDirus]

I swear with Widow I'll miss shots that looked to have hit the enemy, a shot through the head while they strafe of something and get killed by a Widow who practically misses me but it still counts. Infuriating as I think I could be pretty good with her, I just find the shots whiff too often.

I notice a LOT of this on PS4 with various characters at times. Most noticeably the hit scan ones like McCree and WIdow. It's never all the time just for a minute or so every few games. Leads me to believe its a combination of the low tick rate and some network lag etc.

Infuriating

 

[Mendrox]

I was in a team the other day on PC where one player was talking about how he was using a controller because it was more comfortable......

If he played only Mercy that would be okay.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

The slidey nature of dual analog aiming in FPS games is too imprecise for my taste. The Steam controller is the perfect balance for me.

 

[ExVicis]

Class wise you are correct, but a large part of it is negated by skill at a certain level.
There's a reason why widows in competitive have to attempt grapple snipes on each other.

If I'm Winston I'm getting body shot before I leap, headshot in the air, tapped again, then they grapple away, turn and kill me midair if it's 1v1. That's what bullshit I'm talking about.
Alternatively they observe and listen to audio cues and just grapple to their team, etc. Thats the less salty answer.

You don't always have to jump to them as well, just walking to their position, giving them a whiff of electricity and jumping after they flee also works.

But if the Widowmaker is pulling off kills in mid-air then you're dealing with some heavy pros and I don't know what to tell you then except get good because counter picking to Widow probably won't work either.



But even so Widowmaker charge time and/or body shot damage does need some tweaking because it's too much right now.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I was in a team the other day on PC where one player was talking about how he was using a controller because it was more comfortable......

I don't know, some heroes play fine with a controller but obviously the more offense / sniper driven heroes wouldn't be the best to use. Reinhardt, D.Va, Lucio and Symmetra all play well on controller especially if you re-map Lucio a bit. I played all those with controller and now use M+K and there's not really much between them if you know what you're doing as a player.

If a player is using a controller as Widow and suck ass then yeah, I'd probably rather they pick Reinhardt, but if they're more comfortable with a controller with heroes they're good at then that's okay. They're probably hindering your team more by trying to use a M+K and sucking than if they just use a controller and know what they're doing.

 

[saskuatch]

If he played only Mercy that would be okay.

He was playing soldier 76, the problem is you Gino the entire team by sucking. There are some characters like rein, Winston, mercy, etc that can be played with a controller though but even then the turning slowness would gimp you on PC

 

[spiritfox]

You don't always have to jump to them as well, just walking to their position, giving them a whiff of electricity and jumping after they flee also works.

But if the Widowmaker is pulling off kills in mid-air then you're dealing with some heavy pros and I don't know what to tell you then except get good because counter picking to Widow probably won't work either.



But even so Widowmaker charge time and/or body shot damage does need some tweaking because it's too much right now.

If you can walk to the Widow McCree would be the best counter.

 

[ahoyhoy]

For Widowmaker, I think decreasing body shot damage and increasing charge time will bring her in line on PC. Making spamming shots ineffective will hit unskilled Widowmakers hard and the skilled Widowmakers won't be able to control the map in the same way if they need to wait longer to take each shot.

I agree. High charge rates and body shot damage both make WM an incredible support. When unchallenged she can basically half the health of most heroes with body shots alone and give her teammates an easy finisher opportunity.

 

[ExVicis]

If you can walk to the Widow McCree would be the best counter.

McCree isn't the healthiest hero or the best at escaping. Maybe you could try shooting and killing your way to safety but if you already flashbanged that's not an option for you anymore to assist in escaping, at least for those valuable seconds.