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[Aquamarine]

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Like Pachter's many video game predictions we post in the NPD Predictions thread that never get made into their own thread.


No one cares that Pachter made a decent Xbox One and a decent Wii U prediction this month.

No one cares that Pachter made decent software predictions this month (he has a good, solid number for Destiny).

No one cares that Pachter made pretty sound predictions about YOY industry declines.

No one cares that Pachter just released a massive report about how the state of the general market ties into ATVI, GameStop, Ubisoft, Nintendo, etc. investments.


Because of course, one silly PS4 prediction completely overrides everything else.

 

[Ty4on]

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Page 20.
Page 39 if 50ppp.

Edit: Beaten. Wanted to make sure I had the correct page for 50ppp

 

[Biker19]

Will patcher get banned from here if hes wrong again?

I wish. I'm tired of people everywhere always listening to him & always treating his predictions as fact when it comes to video games & consoles (not just on NeoGAF, but everywhere else). Enough is fucking enough. It makes me sick.

 

[Anoregon]

I wish. I'm tired of people everywhere always treating his predictions as fact.

What bizarro-universe GAF do you post on? It sure as shit isn't this one.

 

[benny_a]

His name is Pachter, not Patcher.

 

[Amentallica]

Suppose the Xbox One were to sell more than PS4 in NPD, do the last seven or eight months of PS4 outselling Xbox One just disappear? The Xbox One may win a battle, but it is going to lose the war.

 

[omonimo]

Like Pachter's many video game predictions we post in the NPD Predictions thread that never get made into their own thread.


No one cares that Pachter made a decent Xbox One and a decent Wii U prediction this month.

No one cares that Pachter made decent software predictions this month (he has a good, solid number for Destiny).

No one cares that Pachter made pretty sound predictions about YOY industry declines.

No one cares that Pachter just released a massive report about how the state of the general market ties into ATVI, GameStop, Ubisoft, Nintendo, etc. investments.


Because of course, one silly PS4 prediction completely overrides everything else.

It's not the first time who made a silly prediction. & every time he did, he love treat like idiot everyone who think different to him, especially in this forum.
He's not exactly a serious person.

 

[Aeqvitas]

His name is Pachter, not Patcher.

His name was Robert Paulson

 

[Corto]

I wish. I'm tired of people everywhere always treating his predictions as fact.

Why should he be banned? Should every member in the NPD thread that fails his prediction be banned? His professional position is none of GAF business. If you want sound financial advice from him, pay for it and then you can ask for accountability. If it's free, then you can listen to him or not. That's the extent of repercussion he can have for his failed free of charge predictions. If it was him actively publicising his predictions in here pulling ranks, using his professional status to give them more credence then I could see moderators acting, as it is, we are free to listen, discuss and criticise his predictions. Banning him is absurd.

 

[Tamanon]

It's not the first time who made a silly prediction. & every time he did, he love treat like idiot everyone who think different to him, especially in this forum.
He's not exactly a serious person.

You'd have to do some serious projection to think he's treating people like idiots for thinking different.

I disagree with his prediction, but he does have justification for it. It's really a time will tell moment.

 

[Ty4on]

These are fair arguments and were presented in 3 posts. So why is 3000 necessary lol

Because of course, one silly PS4 prediction completely overrides everything else.

No one is going to watch a 20min video, but this one explains why this thread is 3000 posts long. The reason isn't a silly prediction, it is because that silly prediction that aligns perfectly with the image Pachter is projected as for many members.

Just look at last page.

today is the day which will define Patchers prediction career.

Nah, that's every month, and somehow he's still around.

Like

#define PACHTER false

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He's been wrong on so many occasions....i'm surprised his name isnt default blanked out/blacklisted like some of other VG sites that go unnamed here.

Remember when Pachter made the claim about VR not having any future like a week before facebook bought Oculus Rift for 2 billion? Good times.

 

[omonimo]

Why should he be banned? Should every member in the NPD thread that fails his prediction be banned? His professional position is none of GAF business. If you want sound financial advice from him, pay for it and then you can ask for accountability. If it's free, then you can listen to him or not. That's the extent of repercussion he can have for his failed free of charge predictions. If it was him actively publicising his predictions in here pulling ranks, using his professional status to give them more credence then I could see moderators acting, as it is, we are free to listen, discuss and criticise his predictions. Banning him is absurd.

Well, in my opinion should be banned not for his predictions but for the behaviour. Drop bomb like this & call fanboy who lol about such stupid claim.The hell he expected?

 

[JackLongRod]

Wait pachter has an account here ?

 

[Ash Sparrow]

I think it might be better to ban those calling for a pachter ban, their posts are proof they are taking this too seriously.

 

[omonimo]

Wait pachter has an account here ?

Because he think we are all nerd fanboy who we want to hurt him. Or at least, he gives me this impression all the times talk of neogaf.

 

[Corto]

Wait pachter has an account here ?

Yep. xxxMastahkilla69xxx.

Spoiler

joking heheh IIRC it's Michael Pachter proper

 

[Rymuth]

He was banned as many days as P's he was off in his resolution prediction for Titanfall....I believe he ended up banned for like 31 days...He argued the final game had the same resolution as the beta, it didn't, every P he was off in his resolution, costed him one day...

Wasn't it hours? I seem to recall it was a 72 hour ban?

 

[Pathfinder]

I wish. I'm tired of people everywhere always listening to him & always treating his predictions as fact when it comes to video games & consoles (not just on NeoGAF, but everywhere else). Enough is fucking enough. It makes me sick.

Damn, buddy. You take this stuff seriously, don't you?

 

[Aquamarine]

Wait pachter has an account here ?

Pachter's official GAF account:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=18255

He doesn't get on it very frequently, though.

 

[GeordieMark]

Well, in my opinion should be banned not for his predictions but for the behaviour. Drop bomb like this & call fanboy who lol about such stupid claim.The hell he expected?

I'm 100% confident that a lot of the tweets he would have received that 'lol'd', as you put it, would have been from fanboys.

Who else gives enough of a shit about this kind of thing to respond at all?

Why should he be banned for telling it like it is?

 

[RealityPales]

When does the NPD thread go live? The excitement is palpable.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Yeah I meant that temporary ban. I know he's still around but I do recall him getting banned before which was my point.

Like Xenon said, trying to pass off incorrect/fake insider information is far different than making random predictions. Also, it's not like Pachter came to GAF and made a thread (or even post) about how right he is. He just said some shit somewhere and someone made a thread about it. And in that case, if we started banning people or certain discussions due to stupid shit said outside of GAF, we'd never be able to talk about Ubisoft again. And we can't have that.

 

[Aquamarine]

When does the NPD thread go live? The excitement is palpable.

You think you're the first person to ask this question in this thread?

More like the 50th person.


NPD gets released to subscribers at market close (4 PM EDT).

The NPD thread (with accompanying PR) will go up around 6:30 PM EDT.

Leaks (from Creamsugar, et al.) won't come until later. Hopefully much later to avoid attention.

 

[Amentallica]

When does the NPD thread go live? The excitement is palpable.

I don't particularly like Microsoft or the Xbox, but I would like for them to come out on top this month only so I can see people come out of the woodwork to exaggerate one month's results over the last year.

 

[killatopak]

So did his predication came true? I'm not updated with the NPD.

 

[Amused]

Leaks (from Creamsugar, et al.) won't come until later. Hopefully much later to avoid attention.

What is the scource of the cotroversy surrounding these leaks?

 

[BlackBuzzard]

So did his predication came true? I'm not updated with the NPD.

6 more hours till we know.

 

[Aquamarine]

So did his predication came true? I'm not updated with the NPD.

We'll know the answer to that question in 4 hours (for subscribers), or 6 and a half hours (for the general public).

 

[NemesisPrime]

I wish. I'm tired of people everywhere always listening to him & always treating his predictions as fact when it comes to video games & consoles (not just on NeoGAF, but everywhere else). Enough is fucking enough. It makes me sick.

It makes you sick??? Dude we are taking about video games here, not world peace.

 

[Aquamarine]

What is the scource of the cotroversy surrounding these leaks?

Too many sites copy and paste GAF-made leak summaries around the Internet.

When you're *leaking* something, that's not good. The more leaks get publicised, the less that The NPD Group is willing to tolerate them.


By delaying the leaks, it reduces GAF's notoriety and obfuscates their origin.

 

[RealityPales]

You think you're the first person to ask this question in this thread?

More like the 50th person.


NPD gets released to subscribers at market close (4 PM EDT).

The NPD thread (with accompanying PR) will go up around 6:30 PM EDT.

Leaks (from Creamsugar, et al.) won't come until later. Hopefully much later to avoid attention.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

We'll know the answer to that question in 4 hours (for subscribers), or 6 and a half hours (for the general public).

Why is there a 2.5 hour delay?

 

[FleenerW]

His name is Pachter, not Patcher.

Aw, don't tell them that! It amuses me whenever someone writes Patcher.

 

[Quadraphonic]

Why is there a 2.5 hour delay?

Because technically we're not supposed to know.

The numbers get released to the people that pay for them, and slowly, through other channels, they come to us in cryptic manners, so as to still give purpose for the NPD service that people pay for.

 

[Aquamarine]

Why is there a 2.5 hour delay?

PR Agencies need time to examine the data and decide if PR statements (for Microsoft / Sony / Nintendo) are worth putting out.

If so, they create them in a way that puts Microsoft / Sony / Nintendo in the best possible light.

Also, The NPD Group's PR team needs time to draft industry statements to publicise around the Internet.

 

[TsuWave]

Some people just don't want to know the truth.
399€ + no kinect was the major selling point of the PS4.

Yep that's why the sales of the XB1 rivaled PS4's as soon as they offered the same price in June. Wait....

Didn't the X1 outsell PS4 in the UK in Sept. because of the FIFA bundle at 329 Pounds?

For one week I believe

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-outsells-ps4-in-uk-with-help-of-fifa-15/1100-6422635/

You are right, it was a week.
Still a nice little indicator that the sales gap won't be as big in the future.

What, if MS releases a bundle with one of the most popular franchises in a region every week? :/

i laughed out so loud at this sequence i was told to exit the lecture room. do not surf gaf when you're supposed to be paying attention to class.

 

[Amused]

Too many sites copy and paste GAF-made leak summaries around the Internet.

When you're *leaking* something, that's not good. The more leaks get publicised, the less that The NPD Group is willing to tolerate them.


By delaying the leaks, it reduces GAF's notoriety and obfuscates their origin.

Makes sense. Thanks.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

But there is a very clear distinction. If you had to pay for it, it's rock solid, if it was free of charge, take it with a grain of salt.

I don't think the internet is good at making that distinction, especially since they don't know what paid opinion from Pacter looks like. Besides, I think it has more to do with whether or not its an informed opinion. Paid or unpaid is kind of besides the fact.

 

[joey_bone_bomb]

I wish. I'm tired of people everywhere always listening to him & always treating his predictions as fact when it comes to video games & consoles (not just on NeoGAF, but everywhere else). Enough is fucking enough. It makes me sick.

You do realize this is a 60 page thread basically disagreeing with his prediction, no?

 

[Competa]

As an Economics student, I'm a huge fan of Pachter and his work. He does a great job. Statistics are hard, and Economist nearly almost never gets a prediction right, due to the hard understanding of human & consumer behavior.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

PR Agencies need time to examine the data and decide if PR statements (for Microsoft / Sony / Nintendo) are worth putting out.

If so, they create them in a way that puts Microsoft / Sony / Nintendo in the best possible light.

Also, The NPD Group's PR team needs time to draft industry statements to publicise around the Internet.

Because technically we're not supposed to know.

The numbers get released to the people that pay for them, and slowly, through other channels, they come to us in cryptic manners, so as to still give purpose for the NPD service that people pay for.

Ah, thanks.

 

[Wynnebeck]

i laughed out so loud at this sequence i was told to exit the lecture room. do not surf gaf when you're supposed to be paying attention to class.

GAF has gotten me in trouble during lecture numerous times lol

 

[joey_bone_bomb]

Well, in my opinion should be banned not for his predictions but for the behaviour. Drop bomb like this & call fanboy who lol about such stupid claim.The hell he expected?

If a simple prediction by one man equals a drop of a bomb to you and has you that invested, I think it's pretty safe to assume you are a fanboy, don't you think?
Maybe you just have to come to terms with it.

 

[alr1ght]

Too many sites copy and paste GAF-made leak summaries around the Internet.

When you're *leaking* something, that's not good. The more leaks get publicised, the less that The NPD Group is willing to tolerate them.


By delaying the leaks, it reduces GAF's notoriety and obfuscates their origin.

Here's what you do:

Create a fake game blog logo
Plaster that logo on gaf's summary picture
Everyone is confused and blames the fake game blog

Simple

 

[Various Artists]

As an Economics student, I'm a huge fan of Pachter and his work. He does a great job. Statistics are hard, and Economist nearly almost never gets a prediction right, due to the hard understanding of human & consumer behavior.

Yeah but he gets nothing video game related right.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

You've got to be joking. There are plenty of people who are rooting for the XB1 to fail. All because they tried to sell people a product they found unacceptable.

It's like rooting for Coke to go out of business because you hated the New Coke they introduced in the 80's. Only New Coke never actually came out.

I didn't realise Coca Cola tried to completely uproot the carbonated beverage industry by requiring online check ins every time you wanted to take a sip.

If Coca Cola did that then I'd sure as hell want them to go out of business.

 

[Pathfinder]

I didn't realise Coca Cola tried to completely uproot the carbonated beverage industry by requiring online check ins every time you wanted to take a sip.

If Coca Cola did that then I'd sure as hell want them to go out of business.

Or you could just not drink Coke anymore...

Wanting a company to go completely out of business because you don't like their business practices or decisions is a bit over the line.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

Or you could just not drink Coke anymore...

Wanting a company to go completely out of business because you don't like their business practices or decisions is a bit over the line.

I can do both!

Damn carbonated beverage industry. Infringing on my rights. >:[

 

[wildfire]

Like Pachter's many video game predictions we post in the NPD Predictions thread that never get made into their own thread.


No one cares that Pachter made a decent Xbox One and a decent Wii U prediction this month.

No one cares that Pachter made decent software predictions this month (he has a good, solid number for Destiny).

No one cares that Pachter made pretty sound predictions about YOY industry declines.

No one cares that Pachter just released a massive report about how the state of the general market ties into ATVI, GameStop, Ubisoft, Nintendo, etc. investments.


Because of course, one silly PS4 prediction completely overrides everything else.

Hmm I actually recall there was a thread about that but it still was at most 3 pages of responses unlike the typical 10+ page hate trains.

 

[Synth]

No, it's a lot more like hoping New Coke crashes and burns so they'll go back to making Coke Classic.

And then they go back to making Coke Classic, and you hope that crashes and burns too, because "fuck them they may try to make New Coke again at some point in the future", despite New Coke not even making it onto store shelves.

Well, they did introduce online multiplayer fee, started the DLC timed exclusive deals (feel free to correct me on that), ... The original vision of the Xbox One was pretty scary too. Their tendency to contract external studios or buy out exclusivity deals rather than building up their own studio portfolio could also be considered as a bad thing...

There are plenty of acceptable reasons to think that way. I don't necessarily agree with those, but it's not that stupid.

Complaining about contracting external studios is stupid though. That's complaining about giving talented studios work. Mistwalker, Remedy, Insomniac, Platinum, Sega, From Software, Bizarre Creations, Playground Games and so on are some amazing studios that have been contracted to work on projects for first-party development. The industry would not be better for cutting them off.

Yeah I meant that temporary ban. I know he's still around but I do recall him getting banned before which was my point.

Being wrong whilst calling the developers liars about their own product, directly on this forum isn't really the same thing as making a harmless prediction.

News flash, online gaming has existed WAY before Xbox Live did. On both consoles & on PC.

Yes it existed before XBL, but not in a similar form to what XBL provided. Before that the best the console space had seen was the DC, and the PS2 didn't even match up to that very well, let alone what Xbox Live provided. If anything, even PC gaming with Steam is more like Xbox Live than the old Pingtool, Gamespy, All-Seeing Eye stuff that preceded it. I'm wary of anybody that tries to downplay what Xbox Live brought to gaming overall.