Nappuccino
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Yeah.
I doubt it was romantic love. Father-daughter love would be more appropriate. She seemed far more into Raleigh.
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Yeah.
WordAssassin
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Can't breathe.
haha, at least they are trying to do some marketing over there
GraveHorizon
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Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it all, but it still technically counts as a negative.
Right on par in hilarity as the infamous jetpack moment in Minority Report.
Agreed.
I believe Torro said that they filmed a scene with a kiss but that it felt too soon/odd so they decided to leave it out. He felt that he included enough to suggest a possible future relationship.
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Diggeh
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Pacific Rim is available to preorder at Amazon!
Blu-ray
Blu-ray 3D
DVDfor saps
With awesome cover art!
(Huge clean version for poster purposes!)
The whole gang's on there!
Blu-ray
Blu-ray 3D
DVD
With awesome cover art!
(Huge clean version for poster purposes!)
The whole gang's on there!
your welcome guys!
wish i had money to get one as well... 
Pacific Rim Physics (Part 1): A
is a Boeing 747 to the Face
Pretty nifty article on the physics of PR.
Rocket Punch
Pretty nifty article on the physics of PR.
Jack Random
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ugh, i missed it
BronsonLee
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Might be on After Hours for 14! JUMPONIT
Zoramon089
Banned
Doesn't mean it has to be done in a cheesy manner. Evangelion deals with essentially the same subject matter but tonally is completely different. Of course Del Toro was going for cheesy not serious so it's understandable but too many things annoyed me/didn't make sense
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Evangelion was also not trying to be an homage to old tokukatsu shows. There's more to things than just Eva.
Cow Mengde
Banned
God I love Scientific America.
I know this has been said a million times in this thread, but the whole Eva reference thing is puzzling to me. I'm an over 40 something, just like GDT, albeit younger, and I haven't watched a second of Evangelion. GDT confirms he hasn't either. Pacific Rim reminded my of childhood, which occurred prior to many in this thread, apparently. I have Johnny Sokko and His Flying Robot on DVDs. I also have the Giant Robo DVD set. THAT's what I see when I watch Pacific Rim footage.
forgeforsaken
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People need to look at the "thanks" section of the credits along with the dedication to Ray Harryhausen and Ishiro Honda it thanks Gô Nagai of Mazinger Z, Grendeiser, etc and Yoshiyuki Tomino of Gundam fame.
patrickthehedgehog
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You sure about that? I thought Anno said it was inspired by Ultraman in a lot of ways.
Some people just don't realise how extensive the genre is in Japan. The dude behind EVA is a huge Tokusatsu fan himself. He lobbies for the conservation of the classic man in a rubber suit special-effects for exemple.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
"Inspired by" isn't necessarily the same as deliberately trying to make an homage to something.
Some people don't know any more than Eva, so of course they hear the word 'synchronization' and see some liquid inside someone's helmet an immediately go as far as crying ripoff.
patrickthehedgehog
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Not that I see much Eva inspired in Pacific Rim. I was just reminded of Anno's comment about non-Japanese fans not noticing the Ultraman influences in Evangelion in the early days of the show's popularity.
Zoramon089
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Good thing I didn't say Pacific Rim was trying to be like Eva. It's like no one reads posts. I said it's another series dealing with the same subject manner with a drastically different tone. That was my ENTIRE point. I don't know why people see Eva and latch onto it. I could have mentioned other tokukatsu shows but tonally they'd be more similar to PR than Eva and wouldn't be as good of examples
And people mention Eva over Gundam because Gundam has always typically been human vs human and they aren't super robots like the jaegers kind of are so they aren't remotely similar. My greviances with the movie were weak characterization (like how people said they really felt for the russian and chinese pilots that died despite both teams having a combined total of maybe 5 minutes prior in the movie and almost no lines of dialogue) and how the jaegars didn't use weapons.
You guys can keep pushing the "kaiju blood is toxic!" line of logic but it's nonsense considering they bled all over the place from strong melee attacks, from the plasma cannon and from the sword and no one seemed to care. It was an intentional decision to omit other forms of weapons to keep it mainly melee based and I understand that but it was still annoying
Jack Random
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ah, i see, sadly it's well past 9am, so im hosed
Deified Data
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BronsonLee
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Teefury still sells the shirt of the day the day after, just 3 bucks more. It's called After Hours
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
What's your take on this blog article? Particularly the section on the Russian pilot team.
http://stormingtheivorytower.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/the-visual-intelligence-of-pacific-rim.html
Quick setup overview, the article goes into more specifics later on regarding the Russians:
Some people can make a personal/emotional connection in other ways.
I haven't watched too much TV, so this is good to hear. I'd love to see more Youtube ads however.
Zoramon089
Banned
It was an interesting take and I understand how his view of the characters were colored by his own personal experiences but I don't think that necessarily excuses poor characterization.
There is a lot that can be inferred by body language but most of what he wrote was what he constructed based on what he saw, rather than what was presented. I'm not advocated a "tell not show" approach but more could have been done with them.
I think it was mainly because of how much focus was given to Raleigh, Mako, Stacker and the Australians (even Charlie Day's character). I understand they were more the main characters and naturally they'd have more of a focus but the other characters were overshadowed to such an extreme degree
that I didn't feel anything for them. I felt more for "humans" as a whole when they were taken out but not for them specifically.
Gonna spoiler this just to be safe:
Im not sure about Godzilla specifically but Kaiju movies and media with giant robots that fight do exist in the world and were kind of the a-ha moment for the person that came up with the idea for Jaegers and pitched it to the political and military powers. Del Toro said in an interview that he thought it was weird to see all these zombie movies where the people have never dabbled in zombie apocalypse fiction or as if they wouldn't be somewhat prepared.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Sure, I understand your opinion on the matter, I was just giving an example on how other people may have felt better resonance with some characters since you specifically mentioned you didn't get "how people said they really felt for the russian and chinese pilots that died despite both teams having a combined total of maybe 5 minutes prior in the movie and almost no lines of dialogue." Weak characterization aside, some people connect with what they see differently.
Really enjoyed this movie, but I was disappointed by the story. Not because it was bad or offensive (which is refreshing these days) but because it could have been more.
The characters themselves were expressive and enjoyable, but they had no development or even an arc. The mind sharing mechanic felt ripe for some interesting emotional plot lines, but it was underutilized.
Everything was there to go farther, but they just didn't. Felt weird, especially considering that you could have replaced the parts between the fighting with just about any plot and it still would have held up, which is a testament to del toro's consistent direction.
Plus, the story between the two main characters was just plain weak, if not non-existent:
But man, everything else? Absolutely incredible. Del Toro nailed it, even if the writers did not. The world, the fights, even the plot itself (as opposed to the emotional story) were pretty great and so effectively realized.
The characters themselves were expressive and enjoyable, but they had no development or even an arc. The mind sharing mechanic felt ripe for some interesting emotional plot lines, but it was underutilized.
Everything was there to go farther, but they just didn't. Felt weird, especially considering that you could have replaced the parts between the fighting with just about any plot and it still would have held up, which is a testament to del toro's consistent direction.
Plus, the story between the two main characters was just plain weak, if not non-existent:
You knew they were going to be teammates from the moment they met, and nothing in the movie really changed that. There wasn't even the pretense of drama between them. Heck, Miko's most emotional scene, the flashback/freakout was placed squarely in the middle of the movie, and they missed an opportunity to bring back this issue at the end, when it could have created some real dramatic tension. And Raleigh had no arc at all. He never overcame any kind of weakness, nor go through any kind of change. He was all plot, which is a shame, because I genuinely liked his character.
But man, everything else? Absolutely incredible. Del Toro nailed it, even if the writers did not. The world, the fights, even the plot itself (as opposed to the emotional story) were pretty great and so effectively realized.
I'd never noticed on the poster, so maybe it's just because the image is so large, but Typhoon over there almost looks straight out of a PS2 or Xbox game; I swear I even see some aliasing. Everything else looks fine, was it added later?
Deified Data
Banned
Really interesting article. I agree with some posters who said that PR's so-called "visual intelligence" shouldn't necessarily excuse the fact that these characters barely got any air time, but I agree wholeheartedly with this article's conclusion. Despite having zero character-relevent lines in the whole movie, I learned everything there is to know about the Russians through their body language and the way they physically interacted with one another.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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3/4ths of the way through this movie the basic plot was so much like top gun I was honestly expecting the asshole guy to tell the main character thay he could be his wingman at the end
the characters in top gun were better written though
ScraftyDevil
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Wow, what a wonderful article. I'll have to go see the film a fourth time just to try and pick up some more of the characters' body language!
Glad the plasma cannon was brought up in that. That sold me entirely on their experience.
I noticed the part about how the Russians calmly strided away from the plasma cannon, but everything else there is pretty incredible. I can't believe I missed the obvious symbolism of Mako's hair dye. Does she lose it after the fight in Hong Kong?
The little gifs with Sasha and her husband are so subtle, yet once you notice them, you probably won't ever miss them again.
I've watched the movie 3 times and while I noticed what was going on on that scene in general (where the actors are moving to and who they are interacting with) I never actually noticed the gestures.
I pretty much agreed with what the Red Letter Media guys said about it: it is not a smart movie, but it is smartly made. I can appreciate it for what it is, although I must say most of its merits are on the visual department (which I was totally expecting).
Spike Spiegel
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I saw it again for the third time today. The movie really did need a few more scenes like the "Striker vs. 'Sydney'" clip to punch up the time spent on base, but overall I enjoyed it just as much as the first two times. 'Pacific Rim' really is incredibly accessible, and just fun to watch in a way that most summer blockbusters don't come close to any more.
There were about a dozen people in the showing with me, and there was a mother with two kids about 6-8 years old and they were bouncing up and down and punching at the screen whenever the Jaegers were battling the kaiju. It made me smile because i would've been doing the same thing at that age.
There were about a dozen people in the showing with me, and there was a mother with two kids about 6-8 years old and they were bouncing up and down and punching at the screen whenever the Jaegers were battling the kaiju. It made me smile because i would've been doing the same thing at that age.
What an interesting read. I'd like him to write about his (and Sara's take) on the points he listed in the parting thoughts. When I watch it a third time, I'll pay more attention to the body language and color cues in the movie.
PhoncipleBone
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Second time was a lot of fun last night. LieMAX 3D, and the 3D in the battle sequences was damn impressive. The middle still drags, but the Hong Kong sequence still gets me giddy.
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