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[OmegaSupreme]

I'm betting on the outworld invasion.

 

[mansoor1980]

can confirm a power outage last night that did last for 10 hours

 

[Slings and Arrows]

TIL the Vatican is in Pakistan and the Eiffel tower is where the pope sits.

I don't understand how they're related, at all, other than a co-ordinated 'attack' or software issue.

pls dnt ban me fuh konspiraceh

 

[notseqi]

Sure, flAshlight... Sure...

gotta stay safe

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TIL the Vatican is in Pakistan and the Eiffel tower is where the pope sits.

I don't understand how they're related, at all, other than a co-ordinated 'attack' or software issue.

pls dnt ban me fuh konspiraceh

European net is interconnected and uncompensated drop-offs can have rolling effects on the frequency, which is vital. You can see the effect when you turn on your hoover or kettle and the light dims for a split second. If that happens on the whole net systems shut down and take relatively long time to get back up again.

That said, I don't know why we are having these events in different countries and why others aren't affected. Could be that major users have been compensated to a degree and secondary tier users (Eiffel Tower - *shrugs in french*, Vatican - fuckem, they got candles) got the bad end of the deal.

2018 case:

[Press Release] Continuing frequency deviation in the Continental European Power System originating in Serbia/Kosovo: Political solution urgently needed in addition to technical.

www.entsoe.eu

 

[T8SC]

... and God said, let there be light and.... he lied.

 

[Draef the Badger]

They're having sex.

 

[INC]

So this mean we're back in the dark ages again?

 

[Vow of Silence]

...

 

[Slings and Arrows]

gotta stay safe

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European net is interconnected and uncompensated drop-offs can have rolling effects on the frequency, which is vital. You can see the effect when you turn on your hoover or kettle and the light dims for a split second. If that happens on the whole net systems shut down and take relatively long time to get back up again.

That said, I don't know why we are having these events in different countries and why others aren't affected. Could be that major users have been compensated to a degree and secondary tier users (Eiffel Tower - *shrugs in french*, Vatican - fuckem, they got candles) got the bad end of the deal.

2018 case:

[Press Release] Continuing frequency deviation in the Continental European Power System originating in Serbia/Kosovo: Political solution urgently needed in addition to technical.

www.entsoe.eu

Thanks for the info. I had a rough idea how frequency is linked to electrickery, but i didn't know the bit about the hoover, that's good to know.

The bit that puzzles me is what is linking these power outages? Is the supply chain of a certain fuel type, unique to these regions, running low or constrained? Has there been a software update on a piece of equipment that these power plants use? Is it sunspots? Or is it entirely random?

 

[notseqi]

Thanks for the info. I had a rough idea how frequency is linked to electrickery, but i didn't know the bit about the hoover, that's good to know.

The bit that puzzles me is what is linking these power outages? Is the supply chain of a certain fuel type, unique to these regions, running low or constrained? Has there been a software update on a piece of equipment that these power plants use? Is it sunspots? Or is it entirely random?

Some users have load shedding contracts, in case of a problem in the net they are obligated to quasi-immediately turn off, cement production facilities for example. In return they get lower rates on electricity.
Pakistan puzzles me because it's geographically remote from 'our' net but I wouldn't be surprised if energy producers inbetween rerouted their capacities to stabilize a bigger net due to contracts, or get higher pay from Europe. Could be the far end of the net as they have iffy relations to India as you probably know, coupled with shit contracts they might get the short end of the stick. Straight-ass conjecture though.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Some users have load shedding contracts, in case of a problem in the net they are obligated to quasi-immediately turn off, cement production facilities for example. In return they get lower rates on electricity.
Pakistan puzzles me because it's geographically remote from 'our' net but I wouldn't be surprised if energy producers inbetween rerouted their capacities to stabilize a bigger net due to contracts, or get higher pay from Europe. Could be the far end of the net as they have iffy relations to India as you probably know, coupled with shit contracts they might get the short end of the stick. Straight-ass conjecture though.

Forgive my ignorance but...they're not all connected, are they? Or are they?

 

[Patrick S.]

Forgive my ignorance but...they're not all connected, are they? Or are they?

Sure man! Hey, let's pair our dLan adapters!

 

[notseqi]

Forgive my ignorance but...they're not all connected, are they? Or are they?

From the article I posted:
'The Continental European (CE) Power System -a large synchronized area stretching from Spain to Turkey and from Poland to Netherlands; encompassing 25 countries- is experiencing a continuous system frequency deviation from the mean value of 50 Hz, and this since mid of January 2018.
The power deviations are originating from the control area called Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro (SMM block) and specifically Kosovo and Serbia. [...]'

It's stretching quite a bit but demarcates Poland and Turkey as the outlying countries. Pakistan could buy from Iran or Turkey as they are 'aligned' ideologically, one of those countries could have recommitted energy to the European net and left the Pakistani cities of Hyderabad and Karachi in the dark (they were named in our news, not sure how far the blackout spread).
Again, total conjecture.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

From the article I posted:
'The Continental European (CE) Power System -a large synchronized area stretching from Spain to Turkey and from Poland to Netherlands; encompassing 25 countries- is experiencing a continuous system frequency deviation from the mean value of 50 Hz, and this since mid of January 2018.
The power deviations are originating from the control area called Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro (SMM block) and specifically Kosovo and Serbia. [...]'

It's stretching quite a bit but demarcates Poland and Turkey as the outlying countries. Pakistan could buy from Iran or Turkey as they are 'aligned' ideologically, one of those countries could have recommitted energy to the European net and left the Pakistani cities of Hyderabad and Karachi in the dark (they were named in our news, not sure how far the blackout spread).
Again, total conjecture.

So, wait. Why doesn't Africa just power the world? I always thought the restriction of long distance leckie, was due to the loss of current/voltage (I can't remember which) when travelling long distances?

I've always thought that if it wasn't for that restriction, you could run desalination plants, powered by solar, wind and tidal, and pump water across the continent.

 

[notseqi]

So, wait. Why doesn't Africa just power the world? I always thought the restriction of long distance leckie, was due to the loss of current/voltage (I can't remember which) when travelling long distances?

I've always thought that if it wasn't for that restriction, you could run desalination plants, powered by solar, wind and tidal, and pump water across the continent.

Cost, politics, employment.

There is a non-neglible loss when running lines over land but countries kind of lean on oneanother to regulate their power production/consumption so actual distances aren't too high - should they be stable and able to guarantee continued favourable conditions for energy exchange, which a lot of african countries are not .
Substations refresh/repeat/convert the energy (similiar to DSLAMs for DSL internet) and act as inbetween, the 'high lines' act as transport and typically carry 100-300kV with low Ampere and are converted down to usable Voltage and higher Ampere.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Cost, politics, employment.

There is a non-neglible loss when running lines over land but countries kind of lean on oneanother to regulate their power production/consumption so actual distances aren't too high - should they be stable and able to guarantee continued favourable conditions for energy exchange, which a lot of african countries are not .
Substations refresh/repeat/convert the energy (similiar to DSLAMs for DSL internet) and act as inbetween, the 'high lines' act as transport and typically carry 100-300kV with low Ampere and are converted down to usable Voltage and higher Ampere.

Three inexcusable excuses. We could give a continent, and then the world, free energy or Goddamn near, while turning Africa in to a farm and a source of free(super cheap) food to feed the world fuck you Bob geld off I won't pay you for use of that term.

Reading what you put makes me realise I don't know or remember as much as I used to know. Thanks for the insight

 

[EverydayBeast]

Power outages are hard, my strategy is win the flash light war, and do the blanket treatment.

 

[showernota]

Blackouts happening in Iran atm.

 

[Biff]

Blackouts happening in Iran atm.

Just a heads up this is completely normal for Iran. During winter months the country doesn't have enough natural gas supply to service power generation, heating, industrial operations, etc. Therefore rolling blackouts are necessary.