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[Phoenix]

LAHORE, Pakistan (CNN) -- Faced with increasing violence and unrest, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf on Saturday declared a state of emergency, government sources told CNN.
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President Pervez Musharraf has faced a flurry of criticism from opponents in Pakistan.

Musharraf issued a provisional constitutional order proclaiming the emergency and suspending the nation's constitution, according to a statement read on state television.

Pakistani Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry was expelled from his post, not long after the state of emergency was declared, the justice's office announced. Musharraf removed Chaudhry from his post in May, prompting massive protests and leading to the justice's reinstatement.

The Supreme Court has declared the state of emergency illegal, claiming Musharraf had no power to suspend the constitution, Chaudhry told CNN earlier.

In Islamabad, troops entered the Supreme Court and were surrounding the judges' homes, according to CNN's Syed Mohsin Naqvi.

Earlier, private networks had reported the declaration was imminent as top officials huddled at Musharraf's residence in Rawalpindi. Shortly after that report, most media channels went off the air in an apparent blackout, although some flickered off and on.

The declaration could potentially delay approaching parliamentary elections, according to CNN's Nic Robertson. It also could provide Musharraf with a reason to continue serving as the nation's military chief, although he has pledged to step down from that post.

The declaration follows the Thursday departure of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, who went to Dubai to visit family. She returned to Pakistan last month after several years in exile.

She is said to be returning to Pakistan, according to a member of her Pakistan People's Party.

A senior party leader with Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party had advised her not to leave the country because of the current political situation. She initially planned to leave Wednesday.

The nation's political atmosphere has been tense for months, with Pakistani leaders in August considering the imposition of a state of emergency because of the growing security threats in the country's lawless tribal regions. But Musharraf, influenced in part by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, held off on the move.

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[Mandark]

Ugh.

 

[Azih]

I don't think an overthrow is imminent at all, there's no strong man to take his place in a coup and Musharraf remains pretty popular. Plus I don't think he will be assassinated.

 

[itsinmyveins]

From what I understand the governments media channels (radio/TV) has been surrounded and taken by members of a semi-military force (?) in Islamabad.

 

[JohnTinker]

From what I understand the governments media channels (radio/TV) has been surrounded and taken by members of a semi-military force (?) in Islamabad.

Correct

 

[Walshicus]

I don't think an overthrow is imminent at all, there's no strong man to take his place in a coup and Musharraf remains pretty popular. Plus I don't think he will be assassinated.

Partially true on a technicality. Also, Musharraf is popular now??

 

[Zapages]

I don't think an overthrow is imminent at all, there's no strong man to take his place in a coup and Musharraf remains pretty popular. Plus I don't think he will be assassinated.

Musharaf is only popular in the west... Not in Pakistan.

I have family there and vast majority of people hate Musharaf and his policies.

Partially true on a technicality. Also, Musharraf is popular now??

She can go screw herself with Nawaz Shareef.

Only leader that can some what stabilize Pakistan is.

Imran Khan.

 

[Phoenix]

Musharaf is only popular in the west... Not in Pakistan.

I have family there and vast majority of people hat Musharaf and his policies.



She can go screw herself with Nawaz Shareef.

Only leader that can some what stabilize Pakistan is.

Imran Khan.

KHAN!!!!!!!!! KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

 

[Azih]

Eh, I have plenty of family in Pakistan as well, and Musharraf is preferable to Nawaz Sharif or Benazir Bhutto. He's certainly the least corrupt.

And Imran Khan is a complete non entity in Pakistani politics.

 

[Firest0rm]

Musharaf is only popular in the west... Not in Pakistan.

I have family there and vast majority of people hate Musharaf and his policies.



She can go screw herself with Nawaz Shareef.

Only leader that can some what stabilize Pakistan is.

Imran Khan.

:O

 

[Zapages]

Eh, I have plenty of family in Pakistan as well, and Musharraf is preferable to Nawaz Sharif or Benazir Bhutto. He's certainly the least corrupt.

And Imran Khan is a complete non entity in Pakistani politics.

Are you from the major cities ie. Islamabad, Karachi or Lahore man?

Imran Khan is the least corrupt compared to all three of them. He refused Musharaf's deal. He wants to completely remove Musharaf from his position before wanting to become a Prime Minister.

I support the Muslim League. But non of the N, Q, and other stuff they have made up.

 

[sspeedy]

I have family there as well, and the state of the country worries me. Musharaf is not looked upon favourably at this point. Though I don't care for Bhutto or Sharif.

haha, I remember when I was young and we'd watch cricket.... Imran Khan

 

[Stoney Mason]

I think this is the Democrats fault. They've emboldened the enemy over there too.

 

[Azih]

Are you from the major cities ie. Islamabad, Karachi or Lahore man?

Karachi. And Imran Khan is the Ralph Nader of Pakistani politics. Worse as he can't even be a spoiler.

 

[Jacobi]

Don't they have nuculars?

 

[Stoney Mason]

Don't they have nuculars?

Yes but we are concerned with Iran. Stay on target.

 

[HomShaBom]

Don't they have nuculars?

Yep.

 

[Yixian]

Pfft, this'll blow over in a couple of days, Musharaff is here to stay for now.

 

[Zapages]

Karachi. And Imran Khan is the Ralph Nader of Pakistani politics. Worse as he can't even be a spoiler.

Oh ok. Not really, because Imran Khan doesn't have anything for minus the anti Musharaf view point on everything.

Also I hate the PPP, as they loot everything from country.

PS: I'm from Lahore...

 

[AAK]

The country is in shambles, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned into the next Iraq.

 

[sazzy]

Overthrow? Meltdown? This man IS the government. He's the President AND the Chief of Army. Who's going to overthrow him?

And this is pretty much a declaration of martial law. They probably won't call it 'martial law', but that's what it is.

 

[Zapages]

As my father said when he tried to remove the Chief Justice. Pakistan as we know it will no longer exist. Sad, but true in light of the facts that are occurring right now.

 

[AAK]

As my father said when he tried to remove the Chief Justice. Pakistan as we know it will no longer exist. Sad, but true in light of the facts that are occurring right now.

Pakistan as we know it? Ever since I was born, it felt like the Pakistani people were never united.

 

[Supaman223]

I used to live there.

Terrible memories.

 

[Culex]

It was really wierd, let me tell you. I was watching the movie, Land of the Blind and then when it finished i switched to the news and saw this unfolding.

Wow, what a strange coincidence :lol

 

[Zapages]

Pakistan as we know it? Ever since I was born, it felt like the Pakistani people were never united.

We were and are united... The support garnered for kashmiris after the earthquake was remarkable.

If people from the military like Alahia Khan and Musharaf quit disturbing the political system and just be civil people under the government then Pakistan still be good even with its corrupt political system.

The whole reason why Musharaf came to power is Nawaz Sharif was going to cut funding for the military. So the military decided to start a coup.

 

[GSG Flash]

I don't think an overthrow is imminent, but if it happens, as long as there's no Taliban supporter/extremist that takes power, I don't care who takes power. Pakistan won't be unfucked up for a while, I mean it was bad when we left there and now it's gotten even worse when the reverse should have happened.

 

[yoopoo]

Partially true on a technicality. Also, Musharraf is popular now??

Nope. She already ran away.

 

[ice cream]

Musharaf is the best President Pakistan has probably had.
And seriously all this is because of America. Fucking hell all they want is for us to implode.

I used to live there.

Terrible memories.

Really? What happened/where do you live? I love Pakistan, so much damn fun

 

[Learn2read]

 

[AAK]

We were and are united... The support garnered for kashmiris after the earthquake was remarkable.

So it takes a natural tragedy to unite all of us? Whenever I hear about my country, all I hear are everyone divided into their own political ideologies and agendas. Do you remember that crazy shootout in Karachi during that cheif justice row? They kill each other for the stupidest of reasons. And then there is all the battles in the northwestern frontier which looks about as bad as a civil war. And let's not forget the Lal Masjid. Looks more divided than united to me.

 

[Zapages]

Musharaf is the best President Pakistan has probably had.
And seriously all this is because of America. Fucking hell all they want is for us to implode.



Really? What happened/where do you live? I love Pakistan, so much damn fun

You guys just heard...

Musharaf just removed 8 officials from the judiciary including CJ Choadary.

Plus the PCO has been rejected:

Sindh : 6/27 judges took oath under PCO
Punjab : 13/31 took oath under PCO
Balochistan : 4 took oath under PCO
Supreme Court : 3 judges took oath under PCO.

Conclusion : PCO is widely rejected by judiciary this time.

There still might be hope for Pakistan.

 

[siamesedreamer]

The country is in shambles...

"Islam"

 

[Zapages]

So it takes a natural tragedy to unite all of us? Whenever I hear about my country, all I hear are everyone divided into their own political ideologies and agendas. Do you remember that crazy shootout in Karachi during that cheif justice row? They kill each other for the stupidest of reasons. And then there is all the battles in the northwestern frontier which looks about as bad as a civil war. And let's not forget the Lal Masjid. Looks more divided than united to me.

The Lal Masjid event was all Musharaf and his top army generals. As for the Karachi incident, blame Musharaf and his MQM party. MQM party was rogue party just like the Nazi Party, but with Musharaf joining them they have become a dictorial party in Karachi. Who first wanted to separate from Pakistan. But no one listened to them until Musharaf joined them to make what they are now. Which is bunch thugs with alliance with elite and corrupt army generals.

You mean the Wariztan region, that region is full of tribal people. So conflict is bound to happen when they have ak-47. Its like the wild wild west there of the 1800s of the US. So what can you expect.

Don't just get your news from western media, but get it from everywhere possible.

We are more united then it seems, you just need to know where to read up about it.

 

[MassiveAttack]

 

[ice cream]

"Islam"

Wow. Fuck off. It's mostly because of the country you live in this is happening.,

 

[GSG Flash]

Musharaf is the best President Pakistan has probably had.
And seriously all this is because of America. Fucking hell all they want is for us to implode.



Really? What happened/where do you live? I love Pakistan, so much damn fun

I agree with you on everything (including Pakistan being fun). The only big mistake on Musharraf's part was not taking care of the Lal Masjid situation earlier, very earlier. Now that it's been taken care of I hope it ends any hope for stupid Taliban extremists for their very un Islamic Taliban style Pakistan.

And yes, Pakistan was fun, part of my childhood memories are from there and that's where a lot of my relatives live, although I don't really want to go back that much because the pollution in Karachi is insane and my lungs have adapted to the clean air here.

 

[AAK]

The Lal Masjid event was all Musharaf and his top army generals. As for the Karachi incident, blame Musharaf and his MQM party. MQM party was rogue party just like the Nazi Party, but with Musharaf joining them they have become a dictorial party in Karachi. Who first wanted to separate from Pakistan. But no one listened to them until Musharaf joined them to make what they are now. Which is bunch thugs with alliance with elite and corrupt army generals.

No, I blame the people for their unnecessary hatred for one another. Why do they have to listen to corrupt men bathing rupees, why can't they make their own decisions? Why is it so easy to drive them to kill one another?
Had there been some sense of brotherhood among all of us to begin with, they wouldn't need to kill one another just because one batch migrated to Pakistan from a different country.

EDIT:
I was born in Karachi in 88, but thankfully I left there after 2 years.

 

[APF]

Explain why Bush wants an unstable Pakistan?

 

[DSWii60]

This happens to Pakistan every decade or so. Nothing major is going to come out from this, as although there may be regime change, no policies will change.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Wow. Fuck off. It's mostly because of the country you live in this is happening.,

Hardly...

 

[GenericPseudonym]

So why is this happening, again?

 

[Zapages]

No, I blame the people for their unnecessary hatred for one another. Why do they have to listen to corrupt men bathing rupees, why can't they make their own decisions? Why is it so easy to drive them to kill one another?
Had there been some sense of brotherhood among all of us to begin with, they wouldn't need to kill one another just because one batch migrated to Pakistan from a different country.

EDIT:
I was born in Karachi in 88, but thankfully I left there after 2 years.

People will be swayed away with money because they are freakin damn poor. Musharaf and his cronies want to help the military and make it even more powerful with the help of the MQM type of Karachi-ites, who want to separate and break Pakistan. All they think is oh wow India is great. Then why do you even live in this great country when you just rather go live like second class citizens in India.

 

[ComputerNerd]

The anti-American sentiment in this thread is funny. No matter what happens, you guys blame America. Sad.

 

[bob_arctor]

The anti-American sentiment in this thread is funny. No matter what happens, you guys blame America. Sad.

Read this, immediately thought of you:

Not-So-Horrible Thing Happens In Iraq

BAGHDAD—In a development Pentagon officials are calling not nearly as horrifying as usual, three car bombs ripped through a Baghdad marketplace Monday, killing fewer than 15 innocent civilians, severely injuring no more than 30, and merely maiming one U.S. soldier.

 

[AAK]

People will be swayed away with money because they are freakin damn poor. Musharaf and his cronies want to help the military and make it even more powerful with the help of the MQM type of Karachi-ites, who want to separate and break Pakistan. All they think is oh wow India is great. Then why do you even live in this great country when you just rather go live like second class citizens in India.

What the hell? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but hatred to all political parties of Pakistan, but when was it MQM's ambition to separate from Pakistan?

 

[Zapages]

What the hell? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but hatred to all political parties of Pakistan, but when was it MQM's ambition to separate from Pakistan?

Before Musharaf joined the party and made it what is today. Its was just fringe party that no one listened to as it was viewed as lunatic and radical party that wanted to split from Pakistan during its early days till Musharaf started to reform and joined(made its major supporter) it.

 

[AAK]

why?

 

[Zapages]

why?

Because they were muhajirs, who thought India is super great while Pakistan sucks. They thought themselves that muhajirs are an elite class of people who are vastly superior. They thought they are better than the other Sindi Karachi-ites and other nationalities in Pakistan are and should be second class citizens. So they wanted to make a separate nation.

 

[AAK]

It's the first I've heard of this, I don't see anything of the sort here.

WTF is wrong with me, I'm actually researching a political party. :lol I've had it with this thread before I taint my brain with more useless information. All I'm going to say is that regardless is Musharaff will stay or go, the country won't see any reform unless the people will settle their differences.