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[GSG Flash]

Because they were muhajirs, who thought India is super great while Pakistan sucks. They thought themselves that muhajirs are an elite class of people who are vastly superior. They thought they are better than the other Sindi Karachi-ites and other nationalities in Pakistan are and should be second class citizens. So they wanted to make a separate nation.

I'm a Muhajir and this is the first I've ever heard of this...

 

[Zapages]

Here you go guys:

He said that MQM’s hands are colored with the blood of innocent people of Punjab and NWFP and is involved in anti-state activities. MQM is playing a game for the separation of Karachi from Pakistan and the rulers and Generals are fully aware of it, he added.

Source: Paktribune

KARACHI, May 14: Chairman of the Sindh National Front Sardar Mumtaz Ali Bhutto has flayed the MQM-sponsored resolution adopted by the Sindh Assembly on Friday. The resolution recommends to multinational and other private firms to give preference to local people in recruitment. In a statement issued here on Saturday, Sardar Bhutto maintained: “Sindh is the province of Sindhi people who all must have equal rights on it.” Karachi is part of Sindh and, therefore, there is no justification for passing such a resolution, according to him.

He cautioned the people of Sindh that some elements were playing ‘a new game’ with Sindh, adding that these elements wanted to divide the province to create ‘Jinnahpur’. —PPI

Source: Dawn Newspaper

Mr Altaf Husain of the MQM is always very keen to show its solidarity with the Sindhi-speaking people of the province. Once he stood for a separate province, namely, Jinnahpur or Jinnahabad. This proposed bifurcation of Sindh had invited violent reaction from Sindhis which forced the MQM to disown the idea. After many years, now the name Jinnahpur is again in the news according to which all four provinces are to be bifurcated into two or three administrative units. Though the division of the provinces needs an amendment in the Constitution but one is not sure whether the feudal mentality of the political parties will allow them to accept the idea.

Leaving aside this cherished goal of the MQM, Altaf Husain, on the last anniversary of Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai tried to be more loyal to the Sindhi cause than the Sindhis, and demanded that the anniversary should be declared as the national holiday. It is already a provincial holiday and Sindhis have never demanded a national holiday because they know that a flood gate will open for national holidays on the anniversaries of Ghalib, Mir, Khwaja Farid, Rahman Baba, Khushal Khan Khatak, Waris Shah, Baba Farid, Bulleh Shah and Shah Husain and others.

Source: http://www.apnaorg.com/columns/stmirza/column-6.html

Also search for jinnahpur, Altaf Hussain(the founder of the MQM party), and MQM... You'll find your answers...

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I don't think most of GAF understands how Pakistan works. The army does the overthrowing, not the other way around.

 

[APF]

The overthrowing doesn't do the army?

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

The overthrowing doesn't do the army?

Exactly.

Spoiler

You know what I meant.

 

[Smiling Bandit]

Am I a bad person wishing for a nuclear conflict just for the drama?

 

[Futureman]

Am I a bad person wishing for a nuclear conflict just for the drama?

Not bad, terrible.

 

[Smiling Bandit]

Not bad, terrible.

Tell me that any media experienced person on some level wouldn't find the sight of a nuclear mushroom cloud going up somewhere most delightful. Election and a couple of small scale deaths every day just isn't enough anymore. More bread, more games, please!

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Tell me that any media experienced person on some level wouldn't find the sight of a nuclear mushroom cloud going up somewhere most delightful. Election and a couple of small scale deaths every day just isn't enough anymore. More bread, more games, please!

you would not be saying that if you had relatives in that area.

 

[Smiling Bandit]

you would not be saying that if you had relatives in that area.

If I had relatives in that area I would propably be lucky for them being in heaven and all.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

If I had relatives in that area I would propably be lucky for them being in heaven and all.

wow your pretty ignorant dude.


World cries over some ppl getting shot up in college but a nuke going off is cool?

 

[sspeedy]

Tell me that any media experienced person on some level wouldn't find the sight of a nuclear mushroom cloud going up somewhere most delightful. Election and a couple of small scale deaths every day just isn't enough anymore. More bread, more games, please!

That's a pretty shitty thing to say. My relatives live there and at the moment, my sister, brother-in-law and 5 year old nephew are living in Lahore.

yeah, a nuclear mushroom would be awesome, just like 9/11 was, right?

 

[GSG Flash]

Tell me that any media experienced person on some level wouldn't find the sight of a nuclear mushroom cloud going up somewhere most delightful. Election and a couple of small scale deaths every day just isn't enough anymore. More bread, more games, please!

It wouldn't be as delightful as seeing a mushroom cloud erupt at the exact spot you're at right now.

 

[Zapages]

Tell me that any media experienced person on some level wouldn't find the sight of a nuclear mushroom cloud going up somewhere most delightful. Election and a couple of small scale deaths every day just isn't enough anymore. More bread, more games, please!

either you are joke account or ignorant is bliss for you. >:

 

[Gaborn]

The people of Pakistan have as much right to Democracy as the people of Iraq. The US should've condemned the military junta led by Pervez Musharraf from day 1, especially since it is strongly believed that Pakistan's tribal area is giving aid and comfort to Bin Laden.

 

[sazzy]

I for one am glad this martial law has been imposed. There's only one way to deal with the asshole Mullahs, and this will do it. No elected head of state would have dealt with them. Those freaks have almost entirely taken over the beautiful northern areas of our country, demanding that their Wahabbi-Islam be imposed-or else. How long would it have taken them to crawl down to the southern cities?

I say shoot 'em out and get rid of those freaks. Its about time we got rid of the extremists.

Its really sad that its either the arrogant West demanding something of Pakistan, or these narrow-minded asshole Mullahs demanding something else. Fuck them all, and let the people live in peace.

We need a strong-willed individual to deal with these issues. If it happens to be a man in the army uniform, then so be it.

 

[Gaborn]

I for one am glad this martial law has been imposed. There's only one way to deal with the asshole Mullahs, and this will do it. No elected head of state would have dealt with them. Those freaks have almost entirely taken over the beautiful northern areas of our country, demanding that their Wahabbi-Islam be imposed-or else. How long would it have taken them to crawl down to the southern cities?.

Good thing the GENERAL wasn't elected then, isn't it?

 

[Rayo]

They talked about Pakistan in last week's Newsweek.

IMO Musharraf needs to grow some balls or be replaced.

 

[kammy]

yeah fuck em all.

Here's something I posted elsewhere

The Pakistani government has done more for the US and the "war on terror" than any other nation apart from the UK. People say PK has done nothing to take on terrorists? The army are currently fighting an all out war on the afghan border against its own people for America and the West. Numerous attempts have been made on Mushraffes life.

A lot of the troubles in Pakistan are directly because of the War on Terror, thats the only reason the current government are in trouble. Also why the hell are they even trying to dress up PK as a democracy? It has always thrived as a military government. The reason why is because most military types in PK are better educated than the Politicians who are just money grabbing scum, apart from Bhutto, she went to a good UK university so learnt the ropes from the best Tory types.

Give it 10-20 years and Pakistan will be back on track, contrary to popular belief, on a number of times, it has actually had a promising future like in the late 50s-70s and 70s-80s. Most of its modernisation and progression has been done under military rule.

The Islamists are just a small group with a big mouth, just like the PPP.

India has a lot of the same problems as Pakistan, it's just hidden better.

The NW frontier can more or less be written off as like others have said, it really is the wild west of the 1800s america.

oh and sooner Bhutto is locked up the better. At least Pakistanis have someone to blame now, so thats kind of a good move from the General.

Democracy is for chumps. Not even America believes democracy works.

 

[sazzy]

Good thing the GENERAL wasn't elected then, isn't it?

Yes.

An elected head of state, at this point, will not be able to get rid of the militant problem spilling over from Afghanistan.

I have faith in the man, and, IMO, if he needs a blank cheque to get rid of the Mullahs, I'm cool with it.

 

[Gaborn]

Yes.

An elected head of state, at this point, will not be able to get rid of the militant problem spilling over from Afghanistan.

I have faith in the man, and, IMO, if he needs a blank cheque to get rid of the Mullahs, I'm cool with it.

Amazing how you trust one man to run an entire country of people. I'll trust the democratic process to determine what the people of Pakistan want before I trust a murderous cutthroat to TELL me what the people of Pakistan NEED.

 

[SRG01]

Yes.

An elected head of state, at this point, will not be able to get rid of the militant problem spilling over from Afghanistan.

I have faith in the man, and, IMO, if he needs a blank cheque to get rid of the Mullahs, I'm cool with it.

But that's the problem; brute military force has not improved the situation in the tribal areas. The government has little to no control in those areas and sending in troops isn't going to help the situation at all.

 

[kammy]

Amazing how you trust one man to run an entire country of people. I'll trust the democratic process to determine what the people of Pakistan want before I trust a murderous cutthroat to TELL me what the people of Pakistan NEED.

Democracy is overrated. People vote for the biggest retard. If the coup had failed Mushy would be looking at some kind of death sentance for treason. Its one thing spending millions of someone elses money to get in power and another to risk your life.

Plus dont implant your world view on other nations and cultures. America is rich enough for the corrupt in power to get rich and not harm the country much, Pakistan has much less to play with, a corrupt government like the previous 4 (under 2 leaders) were enough to cripple the nation.

 

[sazzy]

Amazing how you trust one man to run an entire country of people. I'll trust the democratic process to determine what the people of Pakistan want before I trust a murderous cutthroat to TELL me what the people of Pakistan NEED.

I'm all for democracy and the rule of law. But not in a country where the literacy rate is %45~. I don't trust the illiterate with their votes, and electing in an incompetent head of state (which has almost always happened here). I'm not blaming them, its not their fault - the government has never really done its job in educating the population anyway.

Benazir and the Sharif brothers have siphoned off MILLIONS of dollars of state money. There are actual court cases against them. Yet the people welcome them as if they are heroes. No, I don't trust the people to elect a competent head of state.

 

[sazzy]

But that's the problem; brute military force has not improved the situation in the tribal areas. The government has little to no control in those areas and sending in troops isn't going to help the situation at all.

During the time when there was an elected parliament and an independant court? I wouldn't think so.

Now, the parliament and the courts are under Musharraf again. Time for a media blackout and to send in the choppers

 

[Gaborn]

Plus dont implant your world view on other nations and cultures. America is rich enough for the corrupt in power to get rich and not harm the country much, Pakistan has much less to play with, a corrupt government like the previous 4 (under 2 leaders) were enough to cripple the nation.

And I'm sure you think the General and his junta are doing a MUCH more effective job, which is why there is peace in the streets and order as far as his Junta can control...

 

[SRG01]

Now, the parliament and the courts are under Musharraf again. Time for a media blackout and to send in the choppers

That's fucking disgusting.

 

[RiZ III]

My relatives in Pakistan and here all like Musharraf for the most part. He has had a lot of opposition from the bearded religious folk and the other political parties have taken advantage of it. I'm not saying he's good or bad though. Paki politicians are all scumbags. Bhutto is a bitch too. Both her and her dad were over thrown for corruption.

 

[sazzy]

And I'm sure you think the General and his junta are doing a MUCH more effective job, which is why there is peace in the streets and order as far as his Junta can control...

Wait for it.

Pakistan was in a much better shape with this militant issue before the "democracy" camp reared its head.

"That's fucking disgusting."

I would prefer that than having a suicide bomber explode himself on my street. Wouldn't you?

Off to sleep, its 6 am here

 

[siamesedreamer]

Tell me that any media experienced person on some level wouldn't find the sight of a nuclear mushroom cloud going up somewhere most delightful. Election and a couple of small scale deaths every day just isn't enough anymore. More bread, more games, please!

In our globalized society, nobody lives in a vacuum. You're a fucking idiot if you think a nuclear detonation/exchange in Pakistan wouldn't have profound effect on you and everyone else throughout the world.

 

[Phoenix]

yeah fuck em all.

Here's something I posted elsewhere



Democracy is for chumps. Not even America believes democracy works.

We believe democracy works, who told you we didn't? The fact that we keep electing retards and morons to all level of state and local government is democracy at work if there was ever a sign of it working.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Why is this thread attracting goofy fringy comments like flies to crap? GUH. And I was learning so much about this situation from the informed entries, too...

Anywho, the MQM info helps explain to me how Musharrif keeps propped up, what with him not only antagonizing fundy nutjobs, the tribal areas' denizens, AND the moderate and well-to-dos in the major cities. Being friends with a country (USA) that is also buddy-buddy with THEM (aka India) never felt like the answer to that question.

This also begs the question, is Bhutto his "successor"? I may be just grasping at straws, but perhaps this is why he made those overtures to her to come back, and then share power...he bows out if things get too hot, she takes the fast track to leadership. Like it was said earlier, she's the only one there with real nation-wide influence besides the general.

 

[camineet]

this is interesting because Pakistan does have nuclear weapons.... and we're not talking just a couple like North Korea, we're talking dozens of atomic warheads with respectible yields.

.....suspension of the Pakistani constitution.... hmmmmm I wonder how this will actually effect the average man and woman in that country.


now, because Pakistan does have nuclear weapons, and the situation there seems very unstable, while i'm not scared, I'm a little concerned. I hope nothing awful happens.

any indication if rival India has gone to any kind of heightened state of alert ?

 

[Zapages]

this is interesting because Pakistan does have nuclear weapons.... and we're not talking just a couple like North Korea, we're talking dozens of atomic warheads with respectible yields.

.....suspension of the Pakistani constitution.... hmmmmm I wonder how this will actually effect the average man and woman in that country.


now, because Pakistan does have nuclear weapons, and the situation there seems very unstable, while i'm not scared, I'm a little concerned. I hope nothing awful happens.

any indication if rival India has gone to any kind of heightened state of alert ?

Most common man are very apathetic about the whole situation as they don't have weapons... Thus, nothing happens and Benzair comes in and destroys the country even more with more corruption and Musharaf stays at President for the next 5 years or so.

Worst case scenario, people come out and protest. The people boycott the military and the police. So then the military and police come to kill the people. Thus causing the whole country spiraling down into a civil war between the elite class/elite military versus the common man and the lower ranking military personals.

NP about the MQM information....

 

[Gaborn]

.....suspension of the Pakistani constitution.... hmmmmm I wonder how this will actually effect the average man and woman in that country.

I'm struck by this question because it assumes that if the public isn't paying attention to something it might potentially be ok. I'm pretty sure if the US President (either the current big spender in chief or the next) decided to "suspend" the US Constitution it wouldn't particularly effect many people's day to day lives. We'd still go to work, kids would still go to school, etc. That doesn't mean the death of democracy is inherently desirable.

 

[Azih]

Most of the media commentary on this situation is beyond retarded. Pakistan doesn't even cross the media's mind ever and suddenly everybody is jumping in with an opinion.

This is the best editorial I've seen on this issue, and frankly my family in Canada and Pakistan prefer Musharraf to the alternatives:
http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/273902

Gabon, you're not addressing the problem that Pakistan is an extremely illiterate society that is very feudal in most of it's area where people will just vote for whoever their landlord tells them to vote for.

Democracy died in Pakistan with Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. It just hasn't managed to come back yet.

And Zapages, you're taking the word of MQM opponents as gospel. Not a great choice of source there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muttahida_Qaumi_Movement

Edit: In fact upon reading the thread again... man Zapages, you crazy.

The MQM only has influence over urban parts of Sindh, mainly Karachi. The province of Punjab is much more important and influential and everyone knows it.

 

[Azih]

Honestly guys, read this columnist:
http://www.thestar.com/article/274657

He knows what's up. Though his classifying the PPP as 'secular' is misleading. The place is called the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, its laws are based on Shariah and the PPP has no interest in changing that at all.

 

[Smiling Bandit]

In our globalized society, nobody lives in a vacuum. You're a fucking idiot if you think a nuclear detonation/exchange in Pakistan wouldn't have profound effect on you and everyone else throughout the world.

Moral issues aside I doubt a confined nuclear exchange on another continent (and a 3rd world country nontheless) would have a real life effect on me. Sure, the media would go crazy, some shareholders would loose/gain money, but apart from that and on the street there wouldn't be any difference for me. Possible radioactive fallout a couple of month later, sure. But people are already dying on a huge scale around the world every day and I'm even supposed to continue living the happy life. In this media frenzy infested society a mushroom cloud would be nothing but drama, the same kind of drama people are looking for every day.
And just like most people I'm conditioned to hope for more drama. That's what the TV promises, that's what I'm looking for when I turn on the TV.