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[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

TechincPuppet needs the Xbox one to be outselling the PS4 LTD.

The whole idea is ridiculous and based on the shakiest scraps of data.

But he needs that to be the narrative.

There is no way, even with supply shortages, the Xbox one has caught up to the PS4 in the UK much less surpassed it. Anyone who knows a thing about UK retail knows That consoles sell a smaller fraction of holiday amount in the none hoilday months than the US.

Dont even argue with him. Its going to come out soon enough when Sony UK put out another press release in the next few months that shows how utterly left field his predictions are.


Microsoft have been enjoying weeks of 2-3k sales more than the PS4. It has over a 100k lead. Only time Microsoft has a chance of closing that is fall till Xmas.

 

[SwiftDeath]

What part is wrong? I accept its unlikely PS4 sold 40k this year but blame MCV for saying ISS sold to 1 in 9 ps4 owners not me.

Eh but 70K isn't a terrible estimate for Infamous's sales too.

That would be an almost 60K difference in the LTD of the PS4 based on < 8K infamous sales. It's very shaky

We should try to come up with upper and lower bounds for Titanfall then extrapolate that for upper and lower bounds on Infamous then compare them all

 

[ethomaz]

They said Infamous sold just over half TF debut week. 64k is a fair assumption.

When talking about TF selling to 1/4 of XB1 owners no mention was made of debut week. Why would they use old numbers and if they did why not mention that?

Maybe the article is just wrong but my maths and assumptions based on it seem fair.

The article is right... your maths are purely assumptions.

They said Titanfall sold just under double ISS... so double ISS can be at 140k? 122k is just under 140k... can be more? can be less?

Fact is that PS4 is leading sales in UK right now.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Seriously? Lets put this is perspective. GTA V didn't stay at number 1 for longer than a week. New entries are always going to knock whatever was top last week off the top spot. Time will tell as to what kind of legs Titanfall has.

Yeah. Let's put this into perspective.

GTAV sold piles of games every day for a week before the drop. A brand spanking new IP with a lot of expectation on it's back should have been released on both PS4 and Bone, as well as the last gen duo.

I am willing to bet the house that if we ventured into a parallel universe that is the exact same as our own, where Titanfall wasn't moneyhatted off PlayStation, sales would have been in favor of the PS4, and I'm not just talking install base being higher, it would have sold off momentum too.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

What part is wrong? I accept its unlikely PS4 sold 40k this year but blame MCV for saying ISS sold to 1 in 9 ps4 owners not me.

I'm sorry, but this is absurd.

Take this from the MCV article:

MCV has also been told by a trusted retail source that Titanfall sold just under double the amount of units its first week than InFamous managed in its debut week, although of course Titanfall sales fell around 75 per cent in its second week leaving it behind both Sony's game and Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes.

Notice 'sold' is past-tense. Were it a comparison between two weeks of Titanfall and only one of Infamous, you simply would not put it that way unless your literary skills were horrendously deficient.

Given the scant likelihood of that being the case, you're guilty of either the most wishful of thinking or brazen agenda peddling.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Eh but 70K isn't a terrible estimate for Infamous's sales too.

That would be an almost 60K difference in the LTD of the PS4 based on < 8K infamous sales. It's very shaky

We should try to come up with upper and lower bounds for Titanfall then extrapolate that for upper and lower bounds on Infamous then compare them all

I asked the journalist on twitter to see if he can clarify. You are right though the 1/9 is the problem.

 

[Eoin]

Yeah. Let's put this into perspective.

GTAV sold piles of games every day for a week before the drop. A brand spanking new IP with a lot of expectation on it's back should have been released on both PS4 and Bone, as well as the last gen duo.

I am willing to bet the house that if we ventured into a parallel universe that is the exact same as our own, where Titanfall wasn't moneyhatted off PlayStation, sales would have been in favor of the PS4, and I'm not just talking install base being higher, it would have sold off momentum too.

What has a hypothetical multiplatform TitanFall got to do with anything? He was just pointing out that games normally have a big drop in week 2.

 

[SwiftDeath]

I asked the journalist on twitter to see if he can clarify. You are right though the 1/9 is the problem.

It would be great to get some clarification

The other interesting thing is the 1 in 4 and 1 in 9 aren't going to be perfect numbers

It could be 1 in 4.25 and 1 in 8.8 or 1 in 3.9 and 1 in 9.3

Combined with the numbers we're talking about such things would also result in large margins of error

 

[TechnicPuppet]

The article is right... your maths are purely assumptions.

They said Titanfall sold just under double ISS... so double ISS can be at 140k? 122k is just under 140k... can be more? can be less?

Fact is that PS4 is leading sales in UK right now.

I'm sorry, but this is absurd.

Take this from the MCV article:



Notice 'sold' is past-tense. Were it a comparison between two weeks of Titanfall and only one of Infamous, you simply would not put it that way unless your literary skills were horrendously deficient.

Given the scant likelihood of that being the case, you're guilty of either the most wishful of thinking or brazen agenda peddling.

I can't really make sense of what either of you are saying.

 

[ethomaz]

I can't really make sense of what either of you are saying.

I will try better....

1) PS4 is the best selling current gen console in UK right now (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/xbox-one-uk-sales-spike-but-ps4-still-in-control/0129972)

2) "MCV has also been told by a trusted retail source that Titanfall sold just under double the amount of units its first week than InFamous managed in its debut week" (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/titanfall-vs-infamous-two-next-gen-exclusives-compared/0130069)

Using 122k for TF first week... you can have 70k for ISS that doubled means 140k that is the same than "just under double".

You are assumption 64k when it can be 70k or any other number.... BTW 70k x 9 = ~630k LTD for PS4.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

TF XB1 sales 149k x 4 = 596k XB1
ISS PS4 sales 64k x 9 = 576k PS4

All based on week one sales of TF being +125k with 94% on XB1.

We know that the PS4 sold 530,000 in 2013 and the Xbox one 364,000.

So, according to your math, you honestly believe that the Xbox one has sold 232k in the 12 weeks since the end of 2013?

While the PS4 has only sold 46k? But was only the lowest selling console for 4 weeks?

Can you see how utterly ridiculous this sounds?

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I will try better....

1) PS4 is the best selling current gen console in UK right now (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/xbox-one-uk-sales-spike-but-ps4-still-in-control/0129972)

2) "MCV has also been told by a trusted retail source that Titanfall sold just under double the amount of units its first week than InFamous managed in its debut week" (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/titanfall-vs-infamous-two-next-gen-exclusives-compared/0130069)

Using 122k for TF first week... you can have 70k for ISS that doubled means 140k that is the same than "just under double".

You are assumption 64k when it can be 70k or any other number.... BTW 70k x 9 = ~630k LTD for PS4.

70k is stretching it but I wouldn't be shocked if that was what they meant.

100k sales this year still doesn't sound right though. I think the 1 in 9 might be wrong.

 

[SwiftDeath]

70k is stretching it but I wouldn't be shocked if that was what they meant.

100k sales this year still doesn't sound right though. I think the 1 in 9 might be wrong.

I wouldn't be surprised if we're taking something out of context because while from anecdotal evidence PS4 was heavily supply constrained in the UK, it wasn't that supply constrained

Even at just 15K a week on average in the UK PS4 would sell 180K units which would put LTD at 710K and Infamous at 79K sales

I really don't know what to make of it

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

I wouldn't be surprised if we're taking something out of context because while from anecdotal evidence PS4 was heavily supply constrained in the UK, it wasn't that supply constrained

Even at just 15K a week on average in the UK PS4 would sell 180K units which would put LTD at 710K and Infamous at 79K sales

I really don't know what to make of it

There is definietly some funny math going on.

Just using 2013 sales of the ps4 alone:-
530k ÷ 9 = 59k
59k x 2 = 118k


Now if we take the baseline for titanfall to be 125,000 and the spilt to be 91% Xbone 9% pc

9% of 125k = 11250

125k - 11250 = 113750

So unless the PS4 some how had negative sales this year, there is no way the 1 in 9 ratio makes any sense.

 

[RetroStu]

Is it weird or normal that 4 of the top 5 best selling games are next gen games even though there are millions more current gen systems around?.

It just seems so weird to see the PS4 and X1 MGS:GZ sell more than both PS3 and 360 version.

 

[TomShoe]

Is it weird or normal that 4 of the top 5 best selling games are next gen games even though there are millions more current gen systems around?.

It just seems so weird to see the PS4 and X1 MGS:GZ sell more than both PS3 and 360 version.

Not every one of those 160 million PS360s is still in service. PS3s get old, 360s red ring, people just stop gaming and move on with their lives. Not to mention not every gamer has the same tastes, and early adopters of next-gen systems are more dedicated gamers in general.

 

[SwiftDeath]

There is definietly some funny math going on.

Just using 2013 sales of the ps4 alone:-
530k ÷ 9 = 59k
59k x 2 = 118k


Now if we take the baseline for titanfall to be 125,000 and the spilt to be 91% Xbone 9% pc

9% of 125k = 11250

125k - 11250 = 113750

So unless the PS4 some how had negative sales this year, there is no way the 1 in 9 ratio makes any sense.

I don't follow your math. Why are you dividing 530K by 9? Should it not be 5 for the weeks in 2013 PS4 was on sale for?

I think a better comparison would be the following.

Assuming Sony ships the same percentage or higher of total WW PS4 units to the UK as it did for the first 5 weeks then we can do the following

4.2 million sold WW by Dec. 28th

PS4 sold last year 530,000 units in the UK in five weeks (outsold Xbone by 166,000)

Then the UK made up about 12.6% of WW PS4 shipments.

Continuing with that

PS4 surpasses 6 million units sold as of March 2nd

6000K * .126 = 756K LTD

1/9 [756K] would suggest 84K Infamous

I personally don't think Sony shipped significantly less of their WW unit production to the UK relative to what they did last year but I suppose it's possible

Edit: Never mind I understand your math now, you're showing that even if PS4 failed to sell a single unit in 2014 the ratios still wouldn't make much sense

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I wouldn't be surprised if we're taking something out of context because while from anecdotal evidence PS4 was heavily supply constrained in the UK, it wasn't that supply constrained

Even at just 15K a week on average in the UK PS4 would sell 180K units which would put LTD at 710K and Infamous at 79K sales

I really don't know what to make of it

There is definietly some funny math going on.

Just using 2013 sales of the ps4 alone:-
530k ÷ 9 = 59k
59k x 2 = 118k


Now if we take the baseline for titanfall to be 125,000 and the spilt to be 91% Xbone 9% pc

9% of 125k = 11250

125k - 11250 = 113750

So unless the PS4 some how had negative sales this year, there is no way the 1 in 9 ratio makes any sense.

I think its the 1 in 9 bit thats wrong because if its not I can't see a way to make the PS4 2014 sales look right other than really bumping TF week 1 numbers which in turn bumps the XB1 too high.

 

[Rolf NB]

Speaking of, when are these hitting? Early April?

edit: more like May I guess.

Doesn't really matter when exactly it's released. For a quarterly report, the ducks have to be in the dry by end of March.

 

[Raist]

I don't follow your math. Why are you dividing 530K by 9? Should it not be 5 for the weeks in 2013 PS4 was on sale for?

I think a better comparison would be the following.

Assuming Sony ships the same percentage or higher of total WW PS4 units to the UK as it did for the first 5 weeks then we can do the following

4.2 million sold WW by Dec. 28th

PS4 sold last year 530,000 units in the UK in five weeks (outsold Xbone by 166,000)

Then the UK made up about 12.6% of WW PS4 shipments.

Continuing with that

PS4 surpasses 6 million units sold as of March 2nd

6000K * .126 = 756K LTD

1/9 [756K] would suggest 84K Infamous

I personally don't think Sony shipped significantly less of their WW unit production to the UK relative to what they did last year but I suppose it's possible

It's just to show that MCV's stuff makes no sense.
Assuming the PS4 completely stopped selling since 2013, using their % and folds and whatnot, you reach a number that is likely a fairly close estimate of TF's week 1 sales on XB1.
Again, that assumes the PS4 completely stopped selling.

 

[KillerMan91]

Is it weird or normal that 4 of the top 5 best selling games are next gen games even though there are millions more current gen systems around?.

It just seems so weird to see the PS4 and X1 MGS:GZ sell more than both PS3 and 360 version.

Same reason why devs stopped eventually to develop PS2 games. While the absolute hardware base is huge only fraction of those people buy games anymore. GTA V was pretty much exception. It managed to awaken even those that hadn't touched their system in years.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Yeah, by a factor of 20:1 at least.

Double that if you're Technic Puppet.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

I don't follow your math. Why are you dividing 530K by 9? Should it not be 5 for the weeks in 2013 PS4 was on sale for?

I think a better comparison would be the following.

Assuming Sony ships the same percentage or higher of total WW PS4 units to the UK as it did for the first 5 weeks then we can do the following

4.2 million sold WW by Dec. 28th

PS4 sold last year 530,000 units in the UK in five weeks (outsold Xbone by 166,000)

Then the UK made up about 12.6% of WW PS4 shipments.

Continuing with that

PS4 surpasses 6 million units sold as of March 2nd

6000K * .126 = 756K LTD

1/9 [756K] would suggest 84K Infamous

I personally don't think Sony shipped significantly less of their WW unit production to the UK relative to what they did last year but I suppose it's possible

Edit: Never mind I understand your math now, you're showing that even if PS4 failed to sell a single unit in 2014 the ratios still wouldn't make much sense

Yep.

 

[ethomaz]

I don't follow your math. Why are you dividing 530K by 9? Should it not be 5 for the weeks in 2013 PS4 was on sale for?

I think a better comparison would be the following.

Assuming Sony ships the same percentage or higher of total WW PS4 units to the UK as it did for the first 5 weeks then we can do the following

4.2 million sold WW by Dec. 28th

PS4 sold last year 530,000 units in the UK in five weeks (outsold Xbone by 166,000)

Then the UK made up about 12.6% of WW PS4 shipments.

Continuing with that

PS4 surpasses 6 million units sold as of March 2nd

6000K * .126 = 756K LTD

1/9 [756K] would suggest 84K Infamous

I personally don't think Sony shipped significantly less of their WW unit production to the UK relative to what they did last year but I suppose it's possible

Edit: Never mind I understand your math now, you're showing that even if PS4 failed to sell a single unit in 2014 the ratios still wouldn't make much sense

Close to my guesses too... I said PS4 is ~700k LTD in UK with Xbone ~500k LTD.

Guesswork of course.

 

[Dash Kappei]

link?
I wonder if there's other LTDs in there

It's a video interview, no other info in there, it was on the latest episode of Gametime which is a TV show broadcasted on AXN HD and also posted on www.videogiochi.com

Here:
http://www.videogiochi.com/video/2014/03/gametime-episodio-17-stagione-5/
@4:05 -Marco Saletta, Sony Playsation Italia's GM

 

[Hammer24]

Well, still the numbers look closer than the 3:2 ratio PR. And we know, the PS4 was enormously supply constraint.

 

[travisbickle]

If we take the insiders information as correct, xbox cannot be in the lead.

Maths (correct me if wrong)


PS4 = P
Xone = X
infamous = i
Titanfall = T


T = 2i
X = 4T
X = 8i
P = 9i


X/P = 8/9

but the margin of error within in phrases like "less than double" "about 1 in 9" means it could still be 6/9 the 2:3 ratio talked about.

 

[Chobel]

If we take the insiders information as correct, xbox cannot be in the lead.

Maths (correct me if wrong)


PS4 = P
Xone = X
infamous = i
Titanfall = T


T = 2i
X = 4T
X = 8i
P = 9i


X/P = 8/9

but the margin of error within in phrases like "less than double" "about 1 in 9" means it could still be 6/9 the 2:3 ratio talked about.

T = Titanfall first week.
X = 4 (T+ (TF sold in its 2nd week = 27/100 T))

 

[SmokyDave]

This is the best PAL sales thread so far this year. Where 'P' = Pal and 'S' = Sales thread.

 

[Prince Vultan]

Xbox One has to be the leader in the UK... it's got number one in it's name ffs.

 

[travisbickle]

T = Titanfall first week.
X = 4 (T+ (TF sold in its 2nd week = 27/100 T))

So he said Titanfall was close to double inFamous sales both first week.

but that the 4:1 ratio of consoles to sales is combined two weeks!!

We need numbers because that is very convoluted, but it sounds more likely the ratio of 3:2 between PS4 and XOne has stayed the same.

 

[feint_ruled]

Do you think the guys at MCV post these convoluted and ambiguous comparisons on purpose then sit back and laugh at the threads they spawn?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Do you think the guys at MCV post these convoluted and ambiguous comparisons on purpose then sit back and laugh at the threads they spawn?

I think they give us what they are allowed to, but it's no better than scraps.

 

[mikeyw85]

Wow, I think we're all getting a bit carried away with these sales figure speculations. Sales don't make the games better or worse. I'm just not that bothered.

 

[ethomaz]

If we take the insiders information as correct, xbox cannot be in the lead.

MCV already said PS4 is in the lead even after Xbone outselling it for four weeks in a row (Week 8, Week 9, Week 10 and Week 11),

 

[SwiftDeath]

Wow, I think we're all getting a bit carried away with these sales figure speculations. Sales don't make the games better or worse. I'm just not that bothered.

Last I checked though this was indeed a sales thread? And I don't remember reading any posts that would suggest sales make a game better or worse?

 

[stryke]

Last I checked though this was indeed a sales thread? And I don't remember reading any posts that would suggest sales make a game better or worse?

For some magical reason some people feel the need to enter a thread they have little interest in and say how little interest they have in the thread.

 

[noobie]

I:SS topping Scandinavian charts (Norway & Sweden).
Look like some good supply of bundles of I:SS because others games have not risen in chart..

GfK Home Entertainment Nordic

 

[Raist]

I:SS topping Scandinavian charts (Norway & Sweden).
Look like some good supply of bundles of I:SS because others games have not risen in chart..

GfK Home Entertainment Nordic

Dat Norwegian chart. PS everywhere.
I like the "platform" for Titanfall too.

TITANFALL ELECTRONIC ARTS CD-ROM

 

[noobie]

Dat Norwegian chart. PS everywhere.
I like the "platform" for Titanfall too.

TF in Sweden was No 4 last week but not in Top 20 this week. i think it will be interesting to see how quickly I:SS falls out of top 20 in these charts.. i m expecting that it should stay in the top 20 for atleast 3 weeks.

 

[Raist]

TF in Sweden was No 4 last week but not in Top 20 this week. i think it will be interesting to see how quickly I:SS falls out of top 20 in these charts.. i m expecting that it should stay in the top 20 for atleast 3 weeks.

wut? It was #1 last week, #6 this week.

 

[gtj1092]

wut? It was #1 last week, #6 this week.

I think the xb1 version was number 4. Was surprising since it's not officially released there.

 

[Raist]

I think the xb1 version was number 4. Was surprising since it's not officially released there.

Oh, yeah, nevermind. Hadn't seen the XB1 version at #4. Heh.
Well I guess it couldn't stay around for long since the console isn't officially out. Install base must be really low.

 

[Paganmoon]

wut? It was #1 last week, #6 this week.

CD-Rom (=PC) He's talking about the Xbox One version.

TF in Sweden was No 4 last week but not in Top 20 this week. i think it will be interesting to see how quickly I:SS falls out of top 20 in these charts.. i m expecting that it should stay in the top 20 for atleast 3 weeks.

The Xbox One isn't even officially released in Sweden, that it even charted shows there's been quite a few imported. That it dropped off doesn't mean anything.

 

[Raist]

CD-Rom (=PC) He's talking about the Xbox One version.

Yeah yeah. I was talking about tue PC version from the start. I just find it amusing that they call PC games "CD-ROM". It's like this is 1992 and CD-ROM implies PC as consoles are stuck with cartridges.

Anyway, waiting for German charts. Should be interesting. ETA?

 

[Dinda]

Anyway, waiting for German charts. Should be interesting. ETA?

The new Charts are already on the Gamesmarkt site, but of course behind the paywall.

But Infamous is No1 and No2 is Final Fantasy X/X2!

 

[noobie]

Yeah yeah. I was talking about tue PC version from the start. I just find it amusing that they call PC games "CD-ROM". It's like this is 1992 and CD-ROM implies PC as consoles are stuck with cartridges.

Anyway, waiting for German charts. Should be interesting. ETA?

do they release today?

 

[Loudninja]

The new Charts are already on the Gamesmarkt site, but of course behind the paywall.

But Infamous is No1 and No2 is Final Fantasy X/X2!

I am very glad to see inFamous doing well.

 

[noobie]

The new Charts are already on the Gamesmarkt site, but of course behind the paywall.

But Infamous is No1 and No2 is Final Fantasy X/X2!

so who and how they get posted in PAL chart thread?

 

[Bruno MB]

Italy:
Week 11, 2014 - Individual Console Formats (Units)

01 (NE) XBO TITANFALL (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
02 (NE) PS3 DARK SOULS II (BANDAI NAMCO GAMES)
03 (NE) 360 DARK SOULS II (BANDAI NAMCO GAMES)
04 (01) PS3 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
05 (NE) 3DS YOSHI'S NEW ISLAND (NINTENDO)
06 (05) PS4 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
07 (03) PS3 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
08 (06) WII JUST DANCE 2014 (UBISOFT)
09 (04) PS3 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
10 (__) PS3 THE LAST OF US (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)