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[Kazekage1981]

It’s functional, but some of this extra stuff is a waste of time and resources.

Flashy animations, flare, visual appeal, aesthetics is what apple (and google) does to win consumers with their OS. I think MS has the potential to do the same. If its annoying, I am sure MS would allow users to turn it off with bare bones look to it.

 

[TTOOLL]

Changing Windows is like turning the Titanic. I've given up. Unless they "start fresh" they'll ways be held back by legacy apps and its users.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Changing Windows is like turning the Titanic. I've given up. Unless they "start fresh" they'll ways be held back by legacy apps and its users.

I understand your sentiment, but that's what windows 10x or windows core is: getting rid of legacy garbage. Android, iOS, and MacOS can upgrade easily because it focuses on home/consumer end, not so much business/enterprise which is msft's bread and butter. With windows 10x or core (whatever its called), you can do an entire OS update in less than 90 seconds, versus now-which takes long time to download/install/restart.

Also, 'apps' are going to go away within the next 5-10 years. Focus will be on 'PWA' (and possibly UWP) from MSFTs end. However, another problem is win32. Game developers and software engineers don't like UWP/PWA and want to stick with win32

We will see what MSFT has planned for //build this year

 

[hariseldon]

It's pure performative for woke points. It has no other value in this context.

Actually in this case it does carry some value. Features to help disabled people eg visually impaired, deaf, etc are hopefully what they’re referring to - traditionally this is accessibility but they may be going for a simpler name.

 

[ksdixon]

I understand your sentiment, but that's what windows 10x or windows core is: getting rid of legacy garbage. Android, iOS, and MacOS can upgrade easily because it focuses on home/consumer end, not so much business/enterprise which is msft's bread and butter. With windows 10x or core (whatever its called), you can do an entire OS update in less than 90 seconds, versus now-which takes long time to download/install/restart.

Also, 'apps' are going to go away within the next 5-10 years. Focus will be on 'PWA' (and possibly UWP) from MSFTs end. However, another problem is win32. Game developers and software engineers don't like UWP/PWA and want to stick with win32

We will see what MSFT has planned for //build this year

I was under the assumption that UWP was dead already, and PWA were looking to head the same way? Same as Windows Centennial, trying to get ios and Android apps working on Windows, or Continum, expanding phone os into desktop screen size?

I stand by my Surface Pro 1 on Windows side, and Surface Duo on Android side, but it seems MS' software efforts have always let them down. Either too fast and immature, or too slow and abandoned.

 

[Irobot82]

Actually in this case it does carry some value. Features to help disabled people eg visually impaired, deaf, etc are hopefully what they’re referring to - traditionally this is accessibility but they may be going for a simpler name.

It's a tainted word and they used it for points in my opinion. I agree, the correct terminology is accessibility.

 

[hariseldon]

It's a tainted word and they used it for points in my opinion. I agree, the correct terminology is accessibility.

We’ll have to wait and see. Personally, to me, accessibility is the right way to be inclusive. An OS doesn’t need to give a shit about your pronouns but it should help out if you’re colourblind for instance.

On a separate note: the only fucking thing I want is tabbed file manager. I have had it on Linux for donkeys years so why not on windows without installing some dodgy Chinese shite?

 

[Pagusas]

The amount of r&d ms is pumping into Its Windows ARM team now is staggering, we are at the start of the x86/64 abandonment in the home market, that will be when we see a very fresh take from MS. Emulate the legacy stuff while optimize for the new

 

[Kenpachii]

microsoft stop scramping your fucking UI every fucking update.

 

[Kazekage1981]

I was under the assumption that UWP was dead already, and PWA were looking to head the same way? Same as Windows Centennial, trying to get ios and Android apps working on Windows, or Continum, expanding phone os into desktop screen size?

I stand by my Surface Pro 1 on Windows side, and Surface Duo on Android side, but it seems MS' software efforts have always let them down. Either too fast and immature, or too slow and abandoned.

oh hell no-at least not that I know of. Lets see what MS will say in //build 2021.

 

[theclaw135]

Meh. Have I ever substantially used a UWP app, if that's what they're called now. Are we going to go back to calling them Metro or modern?

The UI is an ancient can of spaghetti as it is. Between the control panel, settings, group policy, etc, simply customizing and configuring Windows is a chore.

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

And yet I still haven’t had the May 2020 update due to some issues with some driver compatibility for an audio device that’s not actually installed on my laptop. But it will not update regardless.

 

[hariseldon]

The amount of r&d ms is pumping into Its Windows ARM team now is staggering, we are at the start of the x86/64 abandonment in the home market, that will be when we see a very fresh take from MS. Emulate the legacy stuff while optimize for the new

The worry I have is that they’ll use this as an excuse to lock down to an App Store model as they’ve wanted to do for years.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Microsoft desperately needs PWA. Instagram is PWA for windows. PWA is basically the website itself running as an app. There is no need to 'update' the app.

If they can make google services PWA, Microsoft is gold and can perhaps revive windows phone. Haha j/k. Lets say you wanted Instagram to have fluent design elements and more fine tuned windows themed UI, then you would make it UWP. 'Mytube' is a beautifully polished fluent designed theme youtube app and is UWP for Windows Mobile/Phone, Xbox and Windows.

I am not sure if you can make photoshop a PWA, because that needs hardware acceleration and utilization.

 

[Mistake]

I made my 10 to look like 7. Having two sets of settings still pisses me off

 

[Kazekage1981]

Windows 10 Sun Valley

 

[Bernkastel]

Windows 10 Sun Valley

Windows 10X

 

[Bernkastel]

Windows 10X

 

[Soodanim]

I’m starting to come around on the UI changes to Windows now that I can see where it’s going. They’re slowly shifting functions from the old control panel to the settings menu, and it’s slower because they’re redesigning it as they go. But as far as I can tell, no functionality is lost but the UI is improved. Plus it seems to be easier to add and deal with devices now, so they’re doing something right.

lol @ people moaning about a company using a buzz word. Imagine never having seen marketing before

 

[Kazekage1981]