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Paramount to remake Dune.
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Templar Wizard
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JayDubya said:
Freedom fighters in the desert battling an evil empire who is there to take the natural resource that their empire depends on...
Grow a brain Moran.
Get Ridley Scott on board for this. I've been watching Blade Runner's final cut on blu-ray and I found out that it was basically decided that he'd be the one to direct Dune, but then went on to do Blade Runner.
Or, even better, get him to direct Neuromancer. That's about as close as you can get to a Blade Runner sequel, without doing a Blade Runner sequel.
Or, even better, get him to direct Neuromancer. That's about as close as you can get to a Blade Runner sequel, without doing a Blade Runner sequel.
Ignatz Mouse
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stephendedalus said:
Giger and Moebius doing art direction!
Man, that is all I could wish for! That and everyone giving props to Lynch for doing what he did with his adaptation. I'm sure he no longer cares though, but screw you guys otherwise, except Stinkles and like 3 others. Shai Hulud, brothers... Shai Hulud.
Awesome news.
Lynch's Dune was a mess, but a wonderful, amazing mess. It also had some incredible art direction and awesome casting (apart from Paul himself).
The sci-fi mini-- meh. It wasn't bad, but it clumsily borrowed from Lynch's Dune and was rather bland.
I love William Hurt but he's just not the Duke at all.
JayDubya said:
No, he's an egotistical hypocritical evil fucking scum and I hope he burns in hell for a trillion years, but I see the analogy anyway. Last time I read the book, the themes about Jihad spiraling out of control, the terrorism becoming the cause itself, the oil metaphor, they were all screamingly obvious.
SteveMeister said:
The shields FX were amazing, the music fantastic too and i loved the introduction by Irulan.
Acting is horrible except maybe for Reverend Mother and the campy Baron.
Btw, i read the prequels done by his son (house trilogy) and there werent very good but heard they have also published a Butlerian Jihad trilogy. Is it worth it?
Dr_Cogent said:
IV and specially V and VI get weird beyond imagination from what i recall when i read them years ago.
Ganondorfo
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The most boring movie ever from david lynch.
Dr_Cogent said:
There are lots of crazy stories out there but none as grand or epic as the entire Dune series. I don't know why people rip the latter books, I think they're all fantastic and I wish he didn't die when he did because I wanted him to finish what he started in Chapterhouse.
Templar Wizard
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Stinkles said:
Stinkles... i think.. i think i love you.
I mean the guy changes a Constitutional Monarchy with an economic reins-holder to a Religious Totalitarian Dictatorship with key Zealots fullfilling key roles in the governance of same...oh yeah, he also names himself after a mouse.
And hes not the bad guy????
annnnnnnnnnnyways, I have feeling that the current geopolitical status will surely be addressed, or perhaps the story tweaked slightly?
Perhaps Jihad and other words 'tastefully' removed from the script...
twinturbo2
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You guys need to look at the David Lynch version with the glass half full. If he never did it, he never would have gotten the chance to do Blue Velvet.
scarybore
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Dr_Cogent said:
I have only read the original and Children of Dune, but from what I have read on Wikipedia, the later books go off on one hell of a tangent. I should really get round to reading the other books but Dune has always been about Paul Atreides for me so I don't think I would ever be able to enjoy them to the same extent as I did the original.
As for the new film, my opinion mirrors Stinkles but I'm still pretty excited. Dune is a fantastic universe and I will take what I can get. A new Dune game to coincide with the film would be awesome, though knowing how bad film to game adaptations can be I would probably be disappointed in the end. How much pull do you have at Bungie Stinkles?
Templar Wizard
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SCHUEY F1 said:
Dont you mean Toto?
Ventrue said:
Argh, you guys on the board here are starting to make me mad. Especially part 4 (God Emperor of Dune) ist one of the best books in the whole series. Perhaps the best. The conversations between Malki and Leto II. are awesome. Just because there's no action and laserfighting it doesn't make the book bad. On the contrary: Part 4 turns more to a philosophical outline, with lots of interesting cross-talks between the main protagonists. Man...they started talking about why Bach is superior to Beethoven or why Hitler was just a pathetic loser because "I, Leto II., killed billions, so who's the worst dictator in the fuckin' galaxy!?".
Herbert started to write more in the East European/Russian Sci-Fi tradition in part 4 (philosophical, self-reflecting) and he made a leap over 3000-4000 years to the future, which didn't appeal to lots of readers who liked the characters of the first trilogy best. But it's really worth forgetting about them for now.
The whole conversation about the Golden Path for example really makes your mind spin; after reading this part you have to put the book aside and start some thinking of your own. Granted, that book is no Nietzsche, Kant or Schopenhauer, but it's quite remarkable for a Sci-Fi book. This is the stuff - together with the fantastic story of part 1 - which you remember at the end of the day.
And the last trilogy (ok, now there are 4 books, 2 of his son's doing) is also great.
Man, I hate you guys, seriously.
Barkley's Justice
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i know peter berg and this news still surprises me
JoshuaJSlone
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It's kinda like how for movie purposes very rarely is a shit given about the dozens of Oz books that aren't The Wizard of Oz.mosaic said:
Cymbal Head
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Kola said:Argh, you guys on the board here are starting to make me mad. Especially part 4 (God Emperor of Dune) ist one of the best books in the whole series. Perhaps the best. The conversations between Malki and Leto II. are awesome. Just because there's no action and laserfighting it doesn't make the book bad. On the contrary: Part 4 turns more to a philosophical outline, with lots of interesting cross-talks between the main protagonists. Man...they started talking about why Bach is superior to Beethoven or why Hitler was just a pathetic loser because "I, Leto II., killed billions, so who's the worst dictator in the fuckin' galaxy!?".
Herbert started to write more in the East European/Russian Sci-Fi tradition in part 4 (philosophical, self-reflecting) and he made a leap over 3000-4000 years to the future, which didn't appeal to lots of readers who liked the characters of the first trilogy best. But it's really worth forgetting about them for now.
The whole conversation about the Golden Path for example really makes your mind spin; after reading this part you have to put the book aside and start some thinking of your own. Granted, that book is no Nietzsche, Kant or Schopenhauer, but it's quite remarkable for a Sci-Fi book. This is the stuff - together with the fantastic story of part 1 - which you remember at the end of the day.
And the last trilogy (ok, now there are 4 books, 2 of his son's doing) is also great.
Man, I hate you guys, seriously.
For me, what made Dune interesting was the world. The harsh landscape and the adaptations it forces people to make, the culture and the technology, the tone of the political intrigue. Dune Messiah and Children of Dune have all this to a greater or lesser extent. Jumping thousands of years into the future with a green Arrakis and a whole new cultural and political tone was jarring and removed the aspects that I found most interesting. I enjoyed book 4, but if you had changed some names and finessed a few plot points a little bit I wouldn't have been able to recognize it as Dune. It was at that point that I lost interest in the series.
You forgot to blame him for his son(or grandson, it's been awhile since I read it) naming himself god emperor and screw with the entire galaxy for a couple thousand years all in the name of saving humanity - and that on the good grace that people should believe in his supposed omniscence which only he can vouch for.Templar Wizard said:
That said I do think that entire Dune mythology throws moral grounds out the door for everyone, as there's no single character I can remember that actually had any. The closest would maybe be Duncan's endless clones.
I actually agree there, it's my favourite next to first one.Kola said:
Where the series lost me was with the next book (Heretics of Dune) for some reason the whole thing just got so dry and hard to get into with another thousand year jump, I didn't even get through half of it.
Templar Wizard
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harSon said:David Cronenberg would have been better
the late 80s Cronenberg could have wowed and shocked up with DunE.
Shogmaster
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Scullibundo said:
HOLY FUCK NO WE DON'T NEED A 12 HOUR MOVIE! (Dune + PJ = my ass goes into coma for good)
JoshuaJSlone
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I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I perhaps liked the first Dune book least of all, though my opinion could easily change if I read it again. My problem was it had so many concepts or groups or bits of society that weren't spelled-out. I spent so much time in the book trying to figure out what Item X was all about, or how Group Y related to Group Z, that much of the time I couldn't appreciate what was going on in all the interaction. After that initial hurdle, though, the further ones were much simpler to get into.
(I've seen none of the screen adaptations.)
(I've seen none of the screen adaptations.)
I'm not setting any spoiler tags now, so beware. It's such an old storyline...you know...Aeris is dead and all...
You know that "green Arrakis" is turning back to a desert planet later on, called "Rakis" and that after getting nuked Planet Chapterhouse plays the role of "Dune"? All the little remarks about the past are also interesting to read.
IMO the political intrigue is not lost at all, especially considering the political and military play between the Bene Gesserit and the Honored Matres and of course Leto II.s schemes. The characters are absolutely stunning, Odrade and Miles Teg are among the coolest characters in the Dune universe and, you know, Duncan Idaho is always there. Both of 'em, Miles and Duncan, have something "Nietzschien" about them, being kinda the Übermensch, the biggest asset of mankind. It's really a great read. At some point you come to realize that Herbert must have read alot of philosophical stuff which adds to the whole series.
Sorry to hear, your missing out on something; seriously!
Cymbal Head said:
You know that "green Arrakis" is turning back to a desert planet later on, called "Rakis" and that after getting nuked Planet Chapterhouse plays the role of "Dune"? All the little remarks about the past are also interesting to read.
IMO the political intrigue is not lost at all, especially considering the political and military play between the Bene Gesserit and the Honored Matres and of course Leto II.s schemes. The characters are absolutely stunning, Odrade and Miles Teg are among the coolest characters in the Dune universe and, you know, Duncan Idaho is always there. Both of 'em, Miles and Duncan, have something "Nietzschien" about them, being kinda the Übermensch, the biggest asset of mankind. It's really a great read. At some point you come to realize that Herbert must have read alot of philosophical stuff which adds to the whole series.
Sorry to hear, your missing out on something; seriously!
Kola said:I'm not setting any spoiler tags now, so beware. It's such an old storyline...you know...Aeris is dead and all...
You know that "green Arrakis" is turning back to a desert planet later on, called "Rakis" and that after getting nuked Planet Chapterhouse plays the role of "Dune"? All the little remarks about the past are also interesting to read.
You´re pushing me to reread them all again. I have already been doing that with the first trilogy every few years but read IV to VI just once.
I also asked above, how good is the butlerian jihad trilogy? is it any good or more or less same as the House prequel trilogy?
Ignatz Mouse
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JB1981 said:
Paul is supposed to be a teenager, and to look like an adolescent.
The material doesn't really lend itself into the makings of a great movie. I really liked the first book when I was a kid (the sequels get progressively worse and the space whores concept was the last straw for me), but just let it be and try something new instead.
And count me in among those that prefer the movie to the sci fi mini series.
And count me in among those that prefer the movie to the sci fi mini series.
JoshuaJSlone
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I personally enjoyed them, but I also didn't mind the House prequels. However, I think it's a big thing in the "Legends of Dune" books' favor that being thousands of years before the original Dune books, they can't get away with just taking a bunch of familiar characters and dialing back a few decades. How weird to not even have a Duncan Idaho around. It does get a bit goofy that they have so many of the major organizations of original Dune's society start in such a relatively small length of time, but I suppose from a storytelling sense it's much easier.Orodreth said:
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