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PC to PS3 Media Streaming (DLNA) Thread
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Killthee said:
If the service is named Internet Connection Sharing, then no I dont have it. I dont think I've used ICS since Win2K server when I didn't have a router, many moons ago.
I cant understand why my PC sees my router (when UPnP is turned on in the router) but not the PS3. I'm sitting here trying to turn on/off services that may have something to do with this issue and still nothing. I'm getting desperate. I have a feeling it has to be something thats not ON (or OFF) on my PC.. but what?
If there is anyone who has this working well, minds posting their services list? maybe their windows firewall settings? It would be much appreciated. Thanks guys
Kinan said:
I've had UPnP set to automatic and is running. I've restarted it, rebooted and still nothing...
I'm thinking that, soon, i'll so a windows repair, not a full format and reisntall, but the second repair option under XP. (when you boot off the CD). Not sure if that will help. I really feel like there is something small I'm missing, like a service that should/shouldn't be running, something small that needs to be edited. Any ideas?
Thanks guys
The Chef said:
Twonkymedia supposedly works: http://www.twonkyvision.com/Products/TwonkyMedia/index.html
No transcoding though
CoG said:
Not possible with transcoding, since your PC cant convert your files fast enough anyway. I think Nero can FF files that are native to PS3(dont need transcoding) faster, not sure though, havent used it for a long time.
Nero works fine with the PS3, even with transcoding. Unfortunately you don't get pause, rewind, fast forward or other stuff, rendering interesting but not a very workable solution. I don't know if this something fixable. I think DLNA support may be a little immature in most products.
Tieno
Member
Couldn't get any of the DNLA stuff to work with the PS3 so in the end I installed Linux which, while causing a lot of headache, I got working pretty good. So no transcoding, just native playback. Sony really should add a boot to Linux option in the xmb, cause I don't want Linux as the default OS.
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Tieno said:
This is probably a stupid question, but how is the video quality when you play movies out of Linux? Does the video still upconvert?
Ragnarok10
Junior Member
How do you turn off DLNA on the PS3?
speculawyer
Member
I picked up the following NAS (Network attached storage) box this morning. It is supposed to have DLNA server functionality.
I plan to catch TV shows with Snapstream's Beyond TV and put them on this server. And then I'll have the PS3 be able to display the TV shows off of the DLNA server. I hope this works. I plan to grab lots of Teletubby shows off PBS for my 2 year old.
http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664&adid=5060846&subid=17699227&type=
To reduce noise, the PC with Beyond TV was banished to the garage. I had a really long VGA cable to hook it up to the HDTV, but the quality of the signal was crap over such a long distance (and cheap cable). So, I'm hoping this PS3 solution works much better.
I plan to catch TV shows with Snapstream's Beyond TV and put them on this server. And then I'll have the PS3 be able to display the TV shows off of the DLNA server. I hope this works. I plan to grab lots of Teletubby shows off PBS for my 2 year old.
http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664&adid=5060846&subid=17699227&type=
To reduce noise, the PC with Beyond TV was banished to the garage. I had a really long VGA cable to hook it up to the HDTV, but the quality of the signal was crap over such a long distance (and cheap cable). So, I'm hoping this PS3 solution works much better.
CamHostage
Member
The problem with DLNA on PS3 right now is that it just doesn't have the codecs we all want. Because of that, it can't stream content seamlessly, and you have to go through the whole transcoding on-the-fly mess. Otherwise, it's a great feature.
I wish to god that Sony would allow third-party codecs to be installed on the XMB (for a fee or with a licensing program or something, it can't be that hard to negociate and I'm sure codec companies want it.) The DIVX-on-PS3 rumorsounded really good at the time, but it seems to be BS.
It's surprising that there are all of these home media servers available, yet I cannot find any box that really can use them if you don't want to have your PC on all the time -- I've seen streaming audio players that are decent and there are a few video players that can play back compatible streams, but it'd seem really easy to make a VLC or Core Media Player Linux box that'd just be a video card and networking hardware and an OS BIOS to get video up on your TV set of whatever codec you download. I'd buy that if it was out. Actually, it'd be amazing if there was a stripped-down version of Linux that was just that, no log-in and no OS, just a boot shell for VLC or whatever Linux media player runs on PS3.
I wish to god that Sony would allow third-party codecs to be installed on the XMB (for a fee or with a licensing program or something, it can't be that hard to negociate and I'm sure codec companies want it.) The DIVX-on-PS3 rumorsounded really good at the time, but it seems to be BS.
It's surprising that there are all of these home media servers available, yet I cannot find any box that really can use them if you don't want to have your PC on all the time -- I've seen streaming audio players that are decent and there are a few video players that can play back compatible streams, but it'd seem really easy to make a VLC or Core Media Player Linux box that'd just be a video card and networking hardware and an OS BIOS to get video up on your TV set of whatever codec you download. I'd buy that if it was out. Actually, it'd be amazing if there was a stripped-down version of Linux that was just that, no log-in and no OS, just a boot shell for VLC or whatever Linux media player runs on PS3.
Ragnarok10 said:
Its in network settings, connection to media server, in case you still didnt find out. :=)
CamHostage said:
All those advanced codecs are not part of DLNA specs at all. Basically if device supports plain MPEG for video, it can already get DLNA sticker.
PS3 already supports more than basic specs and list of codecs will hopefully grow. According to my theory, we should get next big firmware update this week already, and I have high hopes for it
CamHostage
Member
Kinan said:
DLNA's just a handshaking algorythm, as far as I know, though I think you're right that there are codecs "approved" for it. Far as I can tell, all it is is that it recognizes a remote machine and transfers agreed-upon files over a UPnP connection. So it's not really that big a deal in and of itself. The receiving machine just needs to be able to process what's coming in. PS3 does OK in this respect (360's not in any better way, depeding on what you have your files stored as and how much you don't mind streaming versus just sticking the damned files on a drive), but it could be better.
speculawyer
Member
CamHostage said:
I see what you mean. Snapstream's Beyond TV encoder that I will be using encodes in Mpeg-2, WMV, and DivX. But of those, only the standard Mpeg-2 is supported by the PS3 and that format is not very storage/bandwidth efficient. But since it is a 320Gb drive . . . and I actually bought two of them, I should be fine for a while. Both the Maxtor Shared Storage II and the PS3 have gigabit ethernet ports, but I don't have a gigabit ethernet switch/hub yet.
I don't want to have to deal with transcoding at all. These systems are difficult enough to set-up and use already.
DeejayKnight
Member
Kinan said:
I actually had TwonkyMedia running on my Mac for the month trial, and I was VERY pleasantly surprised. It played a ton of files, but I wish I had a newer Mac because I'd like to re-encode some of the video I have to work with the PS3.
That or Sony updating the codecs allowed. DivX and/or XviD would cover the vast majority of video I have.
Goldrusher
Member
It all comes down to this: we need divx / xvid support on the PS3 itself
Streaming works fine, as long as you use formats the ps3 can read by itself. Once you start transcoding with a pc, you can't pause, fast forward, not even "go to" anymore.
Streaming works fine, as long as you use formats the ps3 can read by itself. Once you start transcoding with a pc, you can't pause, fast forward, not even "go to" anymore.
CamHostage said:
DLNA guidelines set one required codec and define "optional sets" that dlna device may or may not have:
Code:
Media Required Optional
Image JPEG PNG, GIF, TIFF
Audio LPCM AAC, AC-3, ATRAC 3plus, MP3, WMA9
AV MPEG2 MPEG-1, MPEG-4*, AVC, WMV9Heh, here, btw, PS3 DLNA compatibility certificate:
http://certification.dlna.org/certs/REG05758621.pdf
You can see that only "required" codecs were tested. Interesting that the certificate was issued 17/05/07, only 6 days before DLNA PS3 firmware was released. Gives an idea how tight is the schedule of those guys.
speculawyer
Member
Kinan said:All those advanced codecs are not part of DLNA specs at all. Basically if device supports plain MPEG for video, it can already get DLNA sticker.
Edit: BEAT BY KINAN!
Edit: That DLNA site is the most annoying dumbed-down site I've ever visited. It is really hard to find useful information on that site.
Here is a table of the required & optional formats.
Code:
Table 1.
DLNA Media formats for Home Devices
Media Formats Required Formats Set Optional Formats Set
Imaging JPEG GIF, TIFF, PNG
Audio LPCM (2 channel) MP3, WMA9, AC-3, AAC, ATRAC3plus
Video MPEG2 MPEG1, MPEG4, WMV9I wish Snapstream supported MPEG4. :-/
So my PS3 now sees Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/) under music and movies but nothing really happens when I click on it. Says "There are no titles/tracks". Not too sure whats going on here. Anyone get this to work as a media server for their PC yet?
speculawyer
Member
speculawyer said:I picked up the following NAS (Network attached storage) box this morning. It is supposed to have DLNA server functionality.
I plan to catch TV shows with Snapstream's Beyond TV and put them on this server. And then I'll have the PS3 be able to display the TV shows off of the DLNA server. I hope this works. I plan to grab lots of Teletubby shows off PBS for my 2 year old.
http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664&adid=5060846&subid=17699227&type=
To reduce noise, the PC with Beyond TV was banished to the garage. I had a really long VGA cable to hook it up to the HDTV, but the quality of the signal was crap over such a long distance (and cheap cable). So, I'm hoping this PS3 solution works much better.
So far this project has sucked. Snapstream Media's Beyond TV makes MPEG-2 transport files (.tp) not standard MPEG-2 files (.mpg), so I had to figure out to to convert those. The program HDTV2MPEG does it.
But Maxtor box as a Media server hasn't been working . . . the PS3 keeps saying 'the media server disconnected' . . . I'm not sure why? :-( Could that be because they are connected by a switch, not a hub? They are on the same switch and they are both using DHCP . . . one has address 192.168.1.205 (Maxtor server) and the other has address 192.168.1.208 (PS3). How can they have trouble communicating? Maybe the Maxtor firmware just blows. :-/
Once I was able to see some photos on the media server, but that is about it. :-(
speculawyer
Member
speculawyer said:
OK, I'm making some progress. I moved the Maxtor Shared Storage II box to the same hub that the PS3 is on an it seems to work now.
I had an old versions of HDTV2MPEG that didn't work, but when I got the latest, it seemed to work fine. And I can fast forward with the .mpg files it creates.
I've got a new HDTV tuner card that I picked up for $75 that I'm gonna try to install this week. And I've learned that BeyondTV has a $29.99 add-on that will compress files to H.264 format (MPEG-4). They've got a 21 day trial period and I might give that a whirl. If that works, I'll be able to capture and store many hours of free HDTV. And even though my current PC probably can't even display it properly, I'll be able to display it on the PS3 (hopefully).
speculawyer said:
Nice that you made it working, I always was wondering how compatible are those standard DLNA devices with PS3 in real life.
Personally I'm waiting for that PS3 LiveTV box that should be out in EU early next year. Gonna upgrade PS3 HDD to 160 or smth gig and this should allow me to do a similar thing.
speculawyer
Member
Is that model gonna be offered in the USA? A PS3 with DVR functionality would be nice . . . all it needs is a big hard drive and TV tuners. It has more than enough processing power.Kinan said:Personally I'm waiting for that PS3 LiveTV box that should be out in EU early next year. Gonna upgrade PS3 HDD to 160 or smth gig and this should allow me to do a similar thing.
speculawyer said:
Nothing was announced yet, but I would expect they eventually will, maybe somewhat later though. It also doesn't come to all EU countries immediatly, has something to do with tv channels compatibility or whatever.
It looks very slick though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz_aKHw-0aA
Kinan said:
Most of Europe uses DVB-T so I doubt it has much to do with regions, except where DVB-T hasn't launched yet. For example there is no DVB-T in Ireland and probably won't be until next year so there is little point launching this thing there since it probably won't support analogue channels.
It does look impressive and the twin tuner is the killer feature. Without that you wouldn't be able to record one show while watching another.
InsertCredit
Member
I know this thread focuses on streaming / realtime conversion of media, but I'm actually interested in transcoding my movies before supplying them to a ps3. Keep in mind that I don't actually own a ps3 yet, just want to get my media library all set up before I'll acquire one.
As most of my media consists of 720p H264 MKV files that feature 5.1 sound, how do I go about transcoding those to MP4? I've got a hunch it'll involve de-muxing and remuxing using avisynth but can anyone point me in the right direction?
I know transcoding will take _a lot_ of time, but that's not much of an issue. It would be nice to handle every movie / episode once and be done with it.
As most of my media consists of 720p H264 MKV files that feature 5.1 sound, how do I go about transcoding those to MP4? I've got a hunch it'll involve de-muxing and remuxing using avisynth but can anyone point me in the right direction?
I know transcoding will take _a lot_ of time, but that's not much of an issue. It would be nice to handle every movie / episode once and be done with it.
InsertCredit said:
H264 is MPEG Part 10 and the standard & high profiles are supported by the PS3. So you should almost be set assuming those are the profiles you're using. All you have to worry about is the container format. A tool called MP4Box will convert between .mkv and the .mp4 container and it only takes a few minutes since it's not actually transcoding anything, just dumping the data from one format to another.
http://kurtnoise.free.fr/mp4tools/MP4Box-0.4.4.zip
If you have movies in MPEG-4 ASP/SP (e.g. vids claiming to be DiVX or XVid) then you'd have to transcode the content since the PS3 doesn't play this format for some reason. It really should support ASP even if it required movies to be in a .mp4 container.
InsertCredit said:
Actually the only way to preserve 5.1 sound so far is to make AVCHD disks out of your MKV files. Since HDTV stuff is too big for PS3 HDD anyway, burning to DL DVDs is reasonable.
I'll try to dig some quick description of the process. Best part is that for many MKVs you even do not need to transcode, remuxing will do.
InsertCredit
Member
Thanks DrXym & Kinan, glad some helpful answers popped up so quick.
mp4box seems right up my alley, it would be really nice to just remux everything. At a glance it seems a nice and sleek command line tool, I'll toy around with it later today. Thanks again.
About 5.1 sound, are you implying the ps3 won't recognize those audio streams even if they're embedded in a .mp4? If so, will sound be only available when downsampled to 2.0 stereo?
mp4box seems right up my alley, it would be really nice to just remux everything. At a glance it seems a nice and sleek command line tool, I'll toy around with it later today. Thanks again.
About 5.1 sound, are you implying the ps3 won't recognize those audio streams even if they're embedded in a .mp4? If so, will sound be only available when downsampled to 2.0 stereo?
InsertCredit said:
Sadly yes, no surround out of MP4.
Here quick guide how to get it working for MPEG2+AC3 5.1 MKVs:
1. Remux your MKV into transport stream with Bluray output with TSremux tool v0.0.18 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447)
2. Burn output from TSRemux 0.18 as UDF 2.50 on DVD+R (DL if needed) disc with Nero 8. You should have BDMW folder in root. (Or you can write the folder structure into root of your external FAT32 formatted HDD, also works)
3. Insert it in your PS3 and it should be recognized as AVCHD disk and play with full surround.
If you have h264 MKVs its getting complicated sadly. You can either convert it into MPEG2 TS +AC3 and proceed as in previous case, or try to remux it with Encore CS3 +TSremux combo. Also videos should be 720p or 1080p, no middle resolutions or aspect ratios, AVCHD does not support those.
InsertCredit
Member
Hmm, that's a bummer. But not really disastrous.Kinan said:
Let's say I want to remux everthing to mp4 and likewise transcode the sound to 2.0 stereo in a way that the voice channel won't be over stemmed by the surround channels, could you point me in the direction I should go?
My ideal setup would be to store my media as .mp4 on 2 500gb ethernet drives and have my pc, as well as my future ps3, access them. If this means losing surround sound, then so be it. I reckon the ps3 is able to find media stored on ethernet drives?
Sorry for all the questions, I just want to sort everything out before buying a ps3
InsertCredit said:Hmm, that's a bummer. But not really disastrous.
Let's say I want to remux everthing to mp4 and likewise transcode the sound to 2.0 stereo in a way that the voice channel won't be over stemmed by the surround channels, could you point me in the direction I should go?
My ideal setup would be to store my media as .mp4 on 2 500gb ethernet drives and have my pc, as well as my future ps3, access them. If this means losing surround sound, then so be it. I reckon the ps3 is able to find media stored on ethernet drives?
Sorry for all the questions, I just want to sort everything out before buying a ps3
Uhm, I'm not sure about ethernet drives, tbh. I dont have one, and as far as I understand, those drives have to support DLNA for PS3 to see them. Or if you have your PC on, you can just install TVersity on it and share your network drives in it. This way PS3 will deffo see them, but PC needs to be on.
As for converting, I normally just use PS3Video9 converter from Red Kawa, 2-pass produces good quality PS3 compatible mp4s. However in case of 5.1 to 2.0 conversion you may need to extract AC3 and convert it separately to 2.0 with BeSweet. There you can regulate attenuation of each channel to avoid "low voices" effect.
InsertCredit
Member
I've been looking around for an ethernet drive, and it seems LaCie releases a 500gb dlna supporting ethernet drive for around $200 at the end of october. This kind of server should suffice?Kinan said:Uhm, I'm not sure about ethernet drives, tbh. I dont have one, and as far as I understand, those drives have to support DLNA for PS3 to see them. Or if you have your PC on, you can just install TVersity on it and share your network drives in it. This way PS3 will deffo see them, but PC needs to be on.
As for converting, I normally just use PS3Video9 converter from Red Kawa, 2-pass produces good quality PS3 compatible mp4s. However in case of 5.1 to 2.0 conversion you may need to extract AC3 and convert it separately to 2.0 with BeSweet. There you can regulate attenuation of each channel to avoid "low voices" effect.
When I get home tonight I'll try out BeSweet / PS3Video9, it seems they'll fit my needs.
Ok I'm using WMP11 to stream to my PS3.
I can stream mp3 files fine.
I can play mp4 in wmp 11. i have the k-lite codec pack installed.
In the video xmb menu, the mp4 file names and even thumnails show up, but show they are 0 seconds.
When I try to play them, I get a corrupted data file error. These are files that work on my ps3 normally when transfered with a flash drive.
What is going on. It is slowly driving me insane.
I can stream mp3 files fine.
I can play mp4 in wmp 11. i have the k-lite codec pack installed.
In the video xmb menu, the mp4 file names and even thumnails show up, but show they are 0 seconds.
When I try to play them, I get a corrupted data file error. These are files that work on my ps3 normally when transfered with a flash drive.
What is going on. It is slowly driving me insane.
Am i the only having troubles with Nero Mediahome since the last update? (Firmware 2.0)
Any and all videofiles i try to play are "corrupted" according to the PS3. The same files worked perfectly before the update.
Edit: Solved the problem by Forcing Audio/Video Format instead of auto-detecting, in the Transcoding tab of MediaHome.
I'm such an ass sometimes.
Any and all videofiles i try to play are "corrupted" according to the PS3. The same files worked perfectly before the update.
Edit: Solved the problem by Forcing Audio/Video Format instead of auto-detecting, in the Transcoding tab of MediaHome.
I'm such an ass sometimes.
Labombadog
Member
Ok..I got Tversity to work, and got certain things to stream but not all. Thats not truly my concern but ability to get the actual stuff in my PC to the PS3 like my pictures that is in my hardrive is not going through. Everything else that is not in my HD is (almost) working right.
Can anybody give me some light?
Can anybody give me some light?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I've been using the new "Winamp Remote" for DLNA for a while since i "accidentally" picked up the signal while testing out 2.0 and it works great for audio and pictures. Though, when i try playing video it give me an error and crashes.
Overall its pretty good for audio.. not so much for video. Also, transferred a few files. Transfer rate isn't that great but it does the job.
Overall its pretty good for audio.. not so much for video. Also, transferred a few files. Transfer rate isn't that great but it does the job.