PCs are better than consoles argument tree
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I prefer having a small dedicated box with a GUI designed for TVs since I don't like playing next to my desk and hooking my PC up to my computer is a terrible experience even with things like big picture. I also resist the idea that you get more performance per dollar when buying a PC, at least this early in the console lifecycle.
cyber_ninja
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Wtf you talking about? Those games represent different gaming genres if you haven't noticed. Damn, some of you guys are just too hard-headed. I came here to state my opinion and now some of you try to tell me what I like and don't like. I better get outta here before things go south. Play what you want and don't let someone else's opinion get to you. Bye.
You be you dude. You're getting way overly defensive about this though. I don't think anyone has told you what you like and don't like.
There's always http://store.steampowered.com/universe/link/. To be frank with you, if you have a capable PC, big or small, in the same room or different room, you can still game from the living room couch with it. It may be limited to Steam, but, it's Steam, you're probably gonna be playing games on it 95% of the time on that platform anyways. You can still game on your consoles, but to neglect an even bigger world of gaming is a disservice to yourself as a GAF member imo.
Primethius
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Personally, I was huge into PC gaming about 2-3 years ago but now the hassle is too much sometimes. I still keep a fairly upgraded PC but I've been burnt over the years with too many technical headaches trying to run games.
PC's still haven't hit the point where they can match the ease of playing a game via consoles.
PC's still haven't hit the point where they can match the ease of playing a game via consoles.
curiouscharles
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lol, apt enough to get the point across, but clearly i've touched on something sensitive for you.
physical aspect - don't see how this is a benefit to anyone but teenagers, university students, or people who have yet to find their career. [i say this as it seems selling off your games / price is important to you]
unified hardware - you clearly haven't played on PC in years, compatibility / upgrades are as close to a non-issue as ever [just ask everyone still using the same 2500k cpu since years ago].
hassle / price - you're assuming those of us who own PCs either a) find this a hassle [in fact we find it FUN], or b) money is an issue for us [trust me you can't be a PC gamer if price is an issue for you].
besides, as my comparison [apt is mightn't be] should have clearly implied, i indulge in both.
curiouscharles
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PC is clearly better. As a console only gamer, I won't even deny it. It's just that current consoles are clearly better for me.
I think the arguments happen when others can't accept people making choices other than what they personally like.
Krappadizzle
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They represent games in those genres.
Every single one of those genres has a thousand alternatives on PC(of varying quality) is the point I think that poster was trying to say. You can play every single genre of the games you listed. Maybe not the games specifically, but the genres.
No, I collect games. I am a fan of the concept of ownership. It's so much nicer than living in the land of inverse communism, where the corporations own everything and you own nothing.
The first point I quoted doesn't make sense seeing how cross platform games are still a thing and many games have been coming out broken.
The second point is also just nonsense. Those things come out because console manufacturers money hat publishers, pure and simple. Those extra costumes, weapons, and maps used to just come with patches on PC, before corporate suits realized people would be submissive enough to buy them. That may be due to rising dev costs, but that is an argument for another time.
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BlackBuzzard
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NoMoreTrolls
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Just like Sony worldwide studios monehatting the developers they own and employ to make games. What dastardly devils!
Dreams-Visions
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The future will suck for you when the move to a format that will basically cut off most forms of physical piracy and give them even more profits. It's coming and quite a lot sooner than it was predicted as well.
I like collecting games too, until assholes ruined my collections, not a single company reimbursed me for what was stolen either.
Money-hatting makes the world go round!
ReBurn
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Sony and Microsoft. Don't tell anyone though. This doesn't need to get around.
Sorry to hear it. Maybe you weren't aware of this, but you need to have insurance in order to get reimbursed. I do.
Next week?
alexandros
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The level of discussion in this thread is a nice surprise given the hot subject matter.
Dreams-Visions
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Phanatic8390
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I think we're getting our wires crossed
Everything you have said is completely valid reason for getting one over the other. What I take umbrage with and what I took away is that there is nothing you could like more on another platform without trying it. I've got multiple systems so I'm a big proponent of people trying out everything because games should transcend systems. And if given the opportunity just don't discount a system because you've found some stuff you like. I totally get not having the opportunity to get stuff and if you can only get the system that has what you already like, then go for it.
I just see the argument there is nothing on PC for me is cutting yourself off from stuff you will probably like if you have the ability to try it.
So this would apply to my older gaming collection before such an option would even exist. Cause insuring your games then doesn't seem all that practical or feasible for most.
Console gamers are those that demand complete satisfaction with their purchased products, games and services. They aren't like PC gamers who will take whatever scraps are given to them with blinding praise. People choose consoles because games run great right out of the box, but on PC games are more often than not filled with tons of bugs and glitches, just look at Arkham Knight.
Also why should I have to deal with DRM like Steam when I have access to PSN or Xbox Live?
Also why should I have to deal with DRM like Steam when I have access to PSN or Xbox Live?
I have been a console only gamer for 10 years now.
The moment PC gets games that are not possible on consoles -I mean some true next gen stuff- you will find me in the "need a new PC thread".
But for now...no way I'm spending $$$ for shinier graphics and FPS (though this is a tough one). I want innovation: better AI, physics that blows my little gaming-box out of the living-room.
I mean, I also love fast and fancy cars, but I won't buy one (even if I have the dollar) just to take it for a ride to the next supermarket.
A flood of PC-only games -something like crisis in 2007- and I will reconsider.
The moment PC gets games that are not possible on consoles -I mean some true next gen stuff- you will find me in the "need a new PC thread".
But for now...no way I'm spending $$$ for shinier graphics and FPS (though this is a tough one). I want innovation: better AI, physics that blows my little gaming-box out of the living-room.
I mean, I also love fast and fancy cars, but I won't buy one (even if I have the dollar) just to take it for a ride to the next supermarket.
A flood of PC-only games -something like crisis in 2007- and I will reconsider.
Don't forget, unlike on PC our PSN money gets us a better network too. And game rentals that we don't get to choose, which is much better than choosing for ourselves and owning them.
There are hordes of titles that are out there that fit all of these descriptions. You're simply not paying attention. I guess you require marketing dollars to be spent?
Saucycarpdog
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It's actually more like this if you have ever taken a look at gaming discussion.
Hm, i dont know. I would not generalize it in a way that would go like "PC is better all the time for everyone and for every situation".
From my point of view, a PC offers a huge amount of advantages over the consoles of this generation. Thats largely due to the fact that for me, the PS4 and Xbone dont offer anything beyond the just-put-in-a-disc-and-play advantage, and even that was diminished because the wide spread availability of fast internet connections made day one patches and PC-like forms of bugged releases possible on consoles. Neither one of these consoles has a technological advantage over a PC i can build from my money, even though i believe that you have to invest more than 400 to build a PC that really takes advantage of the platform.
My PC offers me a game catalogue that dates back to the 90s and earlier. In contrast, since the complexity in hardware and software and (probably) market decisions prevent modern consoles from offering me this. Also, i have nearly complete control over my PC in terms of software and especially hardware. This control requires efford on the users side though, and i can understand anyone that says that this turns him or her away from the platform. Sure things crash from time to time, some games need some tinkering here and there to get running etc...but in the end, since i know the basics of software and hardware, those things are nothing that scare me. Instead, i believe that this complexity enables the main advantages of the PC platform, which to me is customizability. And i value that very much. Much more so than i used to 10 years ago. I know how to crank up AF and AA, i know how to achieve a stable framerate and great image quality. While consoles give me an easy start, there is not much beyond what a developer was able to achieve on a, in comparision to many gaming PCs, limited platform.
You could see it as kinda snobish that, for example, a high image quality is so important to someone, but i do see it as something that is valuable to me, mainly because i am used to it by now. And i dont want to miss that.
Another thing is costs. The parts in my PC sure cost more than any console, but i can buy so many games for cheap in comparision. I wanted to buy the Nathan Drake Collection the other day, and when i saw that it costs 60...i thought to me: No fucking way. Those are great games and all, but i can wait a couple of months until this gets cheaper. Since digital distribution is so widespread, i can find a huge amount price-reduced PC games all over. I think i bought The Witcher 3 for 39 when it came out, and i only bought it for this price because it was really important for me to play this right now.
In the end, i would mainly attest my growing preference for the PC platform to the failings of console makers which in turn are driven by whats available in terms of parts, development costs and so on. I still own tons of older consoles and a PS4, which is unfortunately collecting dust because i can play most games on my PC in a way that i would consider to be superior.
From my point of view, a PC offers a huge amount of advantages over the consoles of this generation. Thats largely due to the fact that for me, the PS4 and Xbone dont offer anything beyond the just-put-in-a-disc-and-play advantage, and even that was diminished because the wide spread availability of fast internet connections made day one patches and PC-like forms of bugged releases possible on consoles. Neither one of these consoles has a technological advantage over a PC i can build from my money, even though i believe that you have to invest more than 400 to build a PC that really takes advantage of the platform.
My PC offers me a game catalogue that dates back to the 90s and earlier. In contrast, since the complexity in hardware and software and (probably) market decisions prevent modern consoles from offering me this. Also, i have nearly complete control over my PC in terms of software and especially hardware. This control requires efford on the users side though, and i can understand anyone that says that this turns him or her away from the platform. Sure things crash from time to time, some games need some tinkering here and there to get running etc...but in the end, since i know the basics of software and hardware, those things are nothing that scare me. Instead, i believe that this complexity enables the main advantages of the PC platform, which to me is customizability. And i value that very much. Much more so than i used to 10 years ago. I know how to crank up AF and AA, i know how to achieve a stable framerate and great image quality. While consoles give me an easy start, there is not much beyond what a developer was able to achieve on a, in comparision to many gaming PCs, limited platform.
You could see it as kinda snobish that, for example, a high image quality is so important to someone, but i do see it as something that is valuable to me, mainly because i am used to it by now. And i dont want to miss that.
Another thing is costs. The parts in my PC sure cost more than any console, but i can buy so many games for cheap in comparision. I wanted to buy the Nathan Drake Collection the other day, and when i saw that it costs 60...i thought to me: No fucking way. Those are great games and all, but i can wait a couple of months until this gets cheaper. Since digital distribution is so widespread, i can find a huge amount price-reduced PC games all over. I think i bought The Witcher 3 for 39 when it came out, and i only bought it for this price because it was really important for me to play this right now.
In the end, i would mainly attest my growing preference for the PC platform to the failings of console makers which in turn are driven by whats available in terms of parts, development costs and so on. I still own tons of older consoles and a PS4, which is unfortunately collecting dust because i can play most games on my PC in a way that i would consider to be superior.
Raonak
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It's all about preference really, whether it's handhelds, consoles, PCs, or mobile.
I just prefer gaming on consoles, always have.
I use my smartphone and pc for stuff like internet, podcasts, game development, image editing, etc. Hell, I spend a lot of time testing my games on PC.
but rarely ever actually play games on there.
Steam machines is something that would be targeted to me.
I just prefer gaming on consoles, always have.
I use my smartphone and pc for stuff like internet, podcasts, game development, image editing, etc. Hell, I spend a lot of time testing my games on PC.
but rarely ever actually play games on there.
Steam machines is something that would be targeted to me.
Saucycarpdog
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Oh you Ozium. You almost got me.
Vulcano's assistant
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it is the way it has always been, and always will be. If you are more into your hobby, you can spend more on something that has more of everything, but don't look down on those that are satisfied with less.
edit: that includes owning multiple systems, as every single one of them has exclusives
edit: that includes owning multiple systems, as every single one of them has exclusives
He cannot be serious...right??
Yeesh. Way to completely miss the point.
Please, go on. I'm happy for every recommendation, seriously.
To be fair, I'll have to admit that I want a little bit of that AAA sparkle.
For example: is there an open-world game on PC where I can blow everything up (without the power of the cloud,lol)?
NoMoreTrolls
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Just cause, red faction?
IMHO, it's not even about this. I prefer my PC over what XB1 and PS4 have to offer, but I generally enjoy my inexpensive 3DS more. It is, to me, a better system (in all its 240p glory, lol).
And it raises an interesting point, PC is pretty cool even for people like me who are not chasing the shiniest visuals. Like that awesome game on my avatar which was my GOTY 2014.
LightofRohan
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It amazes me. You must be really insecure with your choice if you have to make a goddam "arguement tree". Just like what you like and enjoy, the only people that are "out to get you" is generally other pcmr people that pose as aggressive console defenders. Majority of people really don't care.
Also the one I hear a lot is they are upset about the "pc is dying" statements. That is said about every piece of technology, don't take it so personally. I also hear "consoles are dying" "mobile games are dying". It only helps push more creativity!
FinalStageBoss
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I find myself not into pc gaming as much anymore. I used to upgrade very often and I'm still running with a 770. Just sorta lost interest.
Also everyone I play games with is on console so I buy my games there.
Also everyone I play games with is on console so I buy my games there.
I guess you haven't bought a PS4 or XBOX One.
I have yet to see single a good advantage regarding those people who tried to correct someone else's taste. It should never be about reassurance or the need to justify where you play or how you play. It should always be about having a decent experience no matter what is your platform of choice.
You can't tell someone that console is better if they like to try different settings and resolutions while also playing with a keyboard and mouse as it doesn't make sense to say that PC is the way if you play a certain genre that may a more active community in one platform than another. It's all about having fun in the end, or it should be, right? What's the point of making lists of good VS bad things one hardware has when comparing to another if said lists can be completely pointless to said user? I understand the need that some people need to justify their investment when buying a brand new console or a expensive graphic card, but, because someone like different things it doesn't mean that someone is wrong and the other person is correct. Different people with different cultures have different tastes and in gaming not only it's something common but it's also good because it brings variety to the industry as well.
I see every now and then some GAFfers being rude to each other simply because they lack comprehension when it comes to different tastes. Consumers should not fight among them when playing a game on their desired platform, it's up to the companies to bring a good product to the market, it's them that need to "fight" between them because competition on the market means the consumer will be the one getting the most since they are a valuable asset for said companies.
Please don't fight my good GAFfers, we all have different tastes and even if something may seem better for you, for another person it can be seen as something negative or less appealing, it's all about respecting each other tastes while having fun with your preferred system.
You can't tell someone that console is better if they like to try different settings and resolutions while also playing with a keyboard and mouse as it doesn't make sense to say that PC is the way if you play a certain genre that may a more active community in one platform than another. It's all about having fun in the end, or it should be, right? What's the point of making lists of good VS bad things one hardware has when comparing to another if said lists can be completely pointless to said user? I understand the need that some people need to justify their investment when buying a brand new console or a expensive graphic card, but, because someone like different things it doesn't mean that someone is wrong and the other person is correct. Different people with different cultures have different tastes and in gaming not only it's something common but it's also good because it brings variety to the industry as well.
I see every now and then some GAFfers being rude to each other simply because they lack comprehension when it comes to different tastes. Consumers should not fight among them when playing a game on their desired platform, it's up to the companies to bring a good product to the market, it's them that need to "fight" between them because competition on the market means the consumer will be the one getting the most since they are a valuable asset for said companies.
Please don't fight my good GAFfers, we all have different tastes and even if something may seem better for you, for another person it can be seen as something negative or less appealing, it's all about respecting each other tastes while having fun with your preferred system.
What if the argument tree is meant in good fun and is not to be taken seriously but some people took it way too seriously because they were insecure, not the people who made the argument tree? Also if the majority of people "really don't care" then why is there so much vitriol and slander brought up anytime the topic is mentioned?
derExperte
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That tree thingy is weak, doesn't even mention the highest rated exclusive of the year.
Only available on PC.
Yes, Undertale.
Only available on PC.
Yes, Undertale.
LightofRohan
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Same when say westboro starts getting too loud and obnoxious, nobody cares about their views or whatever the hell they believe, but as soon as they start yelling at everyone else for not believing what they believe and become a nuisance people react.
I love playing games on my Pc, but unfortunately their is a vocal pc community that makes us that do look immature. I just try and dissociate with them, which is why gaf's pc community is quite nice at times and it bums me out to see this.
family_guy
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I never consider streaming options as a good alternative if audio means anything to you. All game streaming is stereo and not surround sound. If I can't run it through my receiver and get surround sound, I won't bother. If people have the space and money, they should just buy another TV and put it next to their computer.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Never mind.
ViolentP
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They are everywhere, not just in the PC camp. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, all have their zealots and they certainly make themselves known. If you think one is worse than the other, you just have to look elsewhere. And worrying about who has the worst is a fruitless endeavor as they live to fight logic.
For me PC lacks in a genre I really enjoy: sports games. Therefore I could never really make PC my only gaming platform. I would say this genre is much more worth a mention as lacking on PC than JRPGs at this point.
The PC games I play (Civilization) were built for PC and that's where they play best, and those are the games I'm interested in playing on PC. My console plays games that are designed for console. I guess that's just how it works for me.
One argument I didn't see mentioned in the tree was the ability for backwards compatibility for all purchases on PC.
The PC games I play (Civilization) were built for PC and that's where they play best, and those are the games I'm interested in playing on PC. My console plays games that are designed for console. I guess that's just how it works for me.
One argument I didn't see mentioned in the tree was the ability for backwards compatibility for all purchases on PC.
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