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Penny-Arcade: "Marketers of the Avenger Controller are thieves and liars".
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MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Nobody in this entire fucking thread has even come close to defending his actions.
A few people have questioned if an internet mob sifting through a mans life is at all appropriate as a response to something the vast majority of participants are - at best - an audience to rather than directly involved in.
The only way you could portray that as being 'an apologist' or 'white knighting' is if you have the overly-simplistic ethical makeup of a 10 year old child, that the entire world is equally split into 'us' and 'them'.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Okay, so I just now read the original post. Fucking unbelievable. Have any new developments happened since the OP?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Man, that's totally sweet.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Oh, just one or two things.
SouthernDragon
Member
WOW
from reddit's AMA said:
I was hoping that Paul wouldn't say he's like Charlie Sheen or Howard Stern or suggest that. This guy is seriously off the deep end.
If I were this Paul guy, I would use this noterity to try and get a professional counselor or get anger management and not make anymore comments or tweets. I don't have any sympathy whatsoever for him, I just want him to go away or find a line of work that he is best suited for (i.e. NOT in PR or marketing or customer service or anything having to deal with the public). I know that Moises Chiullan thinks what the guy is saying is 'typical bully behavior' (which it is) but if this guy decides to follow through, he could cause even more problems.
Of course, N-Control may be filling a restraining order against Paul Christoro and/or Ocean Marketting after the New Year.
Penny-Arcade's Robert Khoo just posted up some traffic stats for the site as the story went viral.
This is satire, right?
I can understand people thinking things escalated too far. However, if you're going to attack the situation and an entire group of people, at least research it thoroughly. Public contact information was posted. The steroids post was "dug up" through a simple Google search of an E-mail address tied to a message with Paul masquerading as someone else to try to squelch the issue since something was fishy. "Death threats", imaginary or otherwise, are not reflective of the Internet or "gaming culture" as a whole.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
ElRenoRaven
Member
Guy tries to cover it up by prentending to be someone he isn't. Then goes on podcast. Appolagizes while blaming Gabe from Penny arcade ultimately. Then when people start to relax the new PR guy does Reddit AMA. There he reveals that dumbass was refusing to give the emails, site, etc back and even threatened them. You know like the customer. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE FUCKING WITH type shit along with attempted blackmail. Asking for guaranteed money even for future sales cause he made them famous and would expose other shit. Then this guy reveals all this and dumbass finally starts working with them some while they bypass him and get control of the rest. Meanwhile dumbshit also compares himself to Charlie Sheen and Howard Stern.
More or less think of the worst possible response possible at every turn.
He manages to do worse than that.
SolidSnakex
Member
GTTV did an interview with this dude and it's going to air next Thursday on Spike
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ocean-marketing-gt-tv/725414
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ocean-marketing-gt-tv/725414
SouthernDragon
Member
The Natural said:
To add:
- Paul gives subsequent interviews, appears to be remoreless, gives half apologies, contradicts himself, and swings wildly between "I'm sorry I didn't know the guy I bullied was important" and "Fuck everyone, I'm awesome, I'm the victim!"
- New PR guy for Avenger comes on, does awesome job, sets up AMA Reddit
- New PR guy reveals that Paul is holding company domain, email, website hostage, tries to negotiate with Paul, Paul says "you're a nice guy, but fuck you" (basically)
- New PR guy shuts Paul's blackmail down
The Saga Continues
Zomba13
Member
I really hope we hear about Paul's side to that. Not that I don't believe it, it's just that it's shocking that after his interview on the dead pixel podcast that he'd be a dick like that the very next day.
SouthernDragon
Member
It certainly jives with his internet persona.
Owlowiscious
Member
someone link that site with all the "updates"
faceless007
Member
Quiet you. If you're not with us, you're against us. Black and white worldview for the win.
Moronic "white knight" accusation #20903 in 3....2....
I'm still waiting for one of you people to tell me what horrible thing anyone has actually done to him. Keep in mind that the alleged "death threats" apparently aren't a big enough deal to warrant a call to the police. Also keep in mind that absolutely nothing has been posted about him that he didn't put on the internet for the world to see himself or wasn't an official public record. His gamertag, 1-800 number, forum posts, and everything. None of this is private. I fail to see why Googling this guy is such a huge invasion of his private life.
I honestly don't expect much from a group who believes they can change someone's morality by trolling his twitter. The fact that people are now acting as if anyone who is pointing out the lunacy of this event is an apologist for bad customer service is a typical example of how the IQ of mobs plummet.
It's not. It's just a giant waste of time and embarrassing to watch. If you honestly believe trolling someone is the best use of your time, than god bless.
One man's waste of time is another's entertainment.
It is? Oh lol, you're being sarcastic, my bad.
I don't think anyone in this thread is actively trolling him, either.
But hey, whatever makes you feel superior to the barbaric mobs.
I gotta admit it has been entertaining. Seeing people follow this guy like a miniature celebrity solely to to despise him and attack him in the name of doing good is fascinating. It's pathetic. Like watching charlie sheen all over again on a much smaller scale.
Your opinion. Unless y'think you're superior.
faceless007
Member
My first post in this thread was: "I have no sympathy for the guy but when people start digging up personal info on his fiancee I think Internet justice has gone too far." The fact that a lot of people read that as somehow a defense of Paul himself and leapt to the convenient-but-substanceless "white knight" charge is an embarrassing amount of reading comprehension fail.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
http://www.examiner.com/video-game-industry-in-national/ocean-marketing-gaming-pr-rep-to-avoid-at-all-cost
Lots of info at the link.
Edit: lol
Yeah. Yes i do feel superior for not digging up all this guy's info like a stalker chick who just got dumped.
Yeah, you two are both trying to look down on people for doing things they're not doing. Way to go.
Excellent! A fresh spectacle for your entertainment. & you get to be a part of it! What do you say, bleachers of peers? Here's someone you'll love to hate! Are you going to vote him off the island? What's your read on The Situation? Express yourself on your electronic device!
http://www.examiner.com/video-game-industry-in-national/ocean-marketing-gaming-pr-rep-to-avoid-at-all-cost
Lots of info at the link.
Edit: lol
That's a pretty good point. I hate when the strangers I randomly assault know how to fight back. Some people are just assholes I suppose.
What's really scary is that he seem to have no control whatsoever over his temper and mood swings. Any normal, sane person would be a lot more careful about how he interacts with others after being called out like this, and moreso with this. It's only a matter of time before the man does something that puts him in jail for a long time.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
I love this quote. In my experience the people who actually can fight don't advertise it especially when some random jackass just happens to pick a fight with them in a bar.
I'm pretty sure I'm seeing a screencap of his twitter page in this thread right now, and earlier conversations about a podcast he was on where he "apologized"(of course not satisfying anyone.) Yup you guys are totally not following him.
MesserWolf
Member
Parallax Scroll
Banned
So following a twitter and listening to a podcast is stalking now? Why are you even posting in this thread if you think it's so pathetic?
KittenMaster
Member
What makes this so funny is that he's not even telling it how it is. The MMA Champion in question straight up told Paul that what he was, and Paul decided to have a bar fight with him anyway.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
You really should be arrested.
Well, as one of the stalkers, at least I assume I'm one since I've been actively participating in this thread since the start, all I have to say is ... it's entertaining. Lines haven't been crossed, outside of fictitious arguments brought up to make us into terrible people, so it's just in the name of entertainment.
Mind you, this is just an isolated topic on GAF. I'm not going around putting him on blast everywhere. Just talking about events as they transpire here. That's it. Paul does something dumb somewhere and it makes some kind of news; we read it and laugh. When he stops doing things, this topic will die. It's not like we're sifting through his life and seeing what we can find.
I can't speak for everyone here but, personally, I'm "invested" in the sense that I have a stupid amount of posts in this thread. It's been a good run. I check it when I see it come up. That's about it. And my current investment is in seeing how things turn around for the parties involved besides him. The new PR guy is doing a great job and he's been everywhere trying to fix the situation. It's rather admirable to see what he's done already in such a short amount of time.
And, well, I'm a horrible human being. That too.
A podcast advertised in this thread at that.
And Paul's statements have gone full memetic so, really, it's not even a case of following him anymore. Just kind of seeing them pop up in places.
Mind you, this is just an isolated topic on GAF. I'm not going around putting him on blast everywhere. Just talking about events as they transpire here. That's it. Paul does something dumb somewhere and it makes some kind of news; we read it and laugh. When he stops doing things, this topic will die. It's not like we're sifting through his life and seeing what we can find.
I can't speak for everyone here but, personally, I'm "invested" in the sense that I have a stupid amount of posts in this thread. It's been a good run. I check it when I see it come up. That's about it. And my current investment is in seeing how things turn around for the parties involved besides him. The new PR guy is doing a great job and he's been everywhere trying to fix the situation. It's rather admirable to see what he's done already in such a short amount of time.
And, well, I'm a horrible human being. That too.
A podcast advertised in this thread at that.
And Paul's statements have gone full memetic so, really, it's not even a case of following him anymore. Just kind of seeing them pop up in places.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Haha oh wow.
Even if he wasn't emailing him at fucking gabe@penny-arcade email, that excuse is stupid.
"I wouldn't have picked a fight with him if I'd known I couldn't win! He didn't fight fair because I couldn't kick his ass!"
SouthernDragon
Member
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Paul was a purported social media expert. As such, his antics primarily took place through emails, twitter responses, and Facebook. People "dug up" information that was available through a Google search (page 1, to boot). Furthermore, when he masqueraded as someone else to take the heat off of him, people searched the email address used to verify that it came from who it purported to be from.
It didn't match up. Instead, it matched up with posts about steroids.
If you make your profession "social media" and engage in social activities on the web, expect to be examined.
I'm not quite sure that people understand that this isn't something that's a) hard to do or b) wrong. He put that information out there, willingly. The few bits he didn't were email exchanges from his victims, which they have every right to post. No one hacked his accounts and stole information.
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People are interested in this case because it's PR and customer service gone horribly, terribly wrong. It relates to gaming (which this forum is about) in that the product involved is a gaming peripheral. Paul's antics continue to be followed because they defy all reason and create a spectacle; instead of learning from his mistakes and apologizing, he keeps upping the ante and making it worse. It's baffling, fascinating, and infuriating.
Hence the continued attention.
Are we all on the same page here?
Paul was a purported social media expert. As such, his antics primarily took place through emails, twitter responses, and Facebook. People "dug up" information that was available through a Google search (page 1, to boot). Furthermore, when he masqueraded as someone else to take the heat off of him, people searched the email address used to verify that it came from who it purported to be from.
It didn't match up. Instead, it matched up with posts about steroids.
If you make your profession "social media" and engage in social activities on the web, expect to be examined.
I'm not quite sure that people understand that this isn't something that's a) hard to do or b) wrong. He put that information out there, willingly. The few bits he didn't were email exchanges from his victims, which they have every right to post. No one hacked his accounts and stole information.
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People are interested in this case because it's PR and customer service gone horribly, terribly wrong. It relates to gaming (which this forum is about) in that the product involved is a gaming peripheral. Paul's antics continue to be followed because they defy all reason and create a spectacle; instead of learning from his mistakes and apologizing, he keeps upping the ante and making it worse. It's baffling, fascinating, and infuriating.
Hence the continued attention.
Are we all on the same page here?
This fact is why I enjoy it so much that the social media engine itself is the instrument of choice in his destruction. It's fitting, in a poetic justice kind of way.
Have always been on that page
I wonder when Paul gets his Wikipedia page and edits it himself...
YourMaster
Member
To be fair here, how credible was the warning he gave that he could fight back.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
You could always try reading the OP.
Maybe he's just watched Con Air too many times.
Seraphinianus
Banned
not if you're 50ppp scum
100ppp 4 lyfe.
anyway, what a shit storm. nobody comes out of these messes clean. The internet is like a bad, boring version of the Maury Povich show. People destroying each other and making each other look bad, not using any logic or attempting any official methods of dealing with things (paypal refund, credit card chargeback, etc) and instead opting to "reason" with each other (i.e. a penis waving contest.) Penny arcade was bored that day, marketer dude is a meat head who is probably used to being able to say tough shit to people and has an "image image image" business model, kotaku is just the parasite tabloid, with the original customer being the woman they are all fighting over.