People on gluten free diets don't know what ''gluten' is. (Jimmy Kimmel)

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Sure it's Jimmy Kimmel so it's a comedy bit, but it just shows how diet fads are just accepted without any scientific inquiry.

Kimmel looking good of late and he still loves his gluten.

http://abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/video/featured/VDKA0_ch1i11x5

Here's an article about the gluten free craze of late.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/b...en-sensitivity-is-probably-just-in-your-head/

After the subjects moved off the baseline diet and onto one of the treatment diets, they reported more intestinal pain, bloating, gas, and nausea, regardless of whether the treatment diet was high-gluten, low-gluten, or placebo.

The placebo results were what really stood out to Gibson—patients who received the same diet in the baseline and treatment phases still reported a worsening of symptoms. Gibson says this is a nocebo effect—in other words, it was all in their heads.
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I do agree that many gluten containing items do have junk calories and poor nutrition--such as cookies, cakes, and the like. So avoiding gluten containing whilst adding more nutrient dense foods like fruits and vegetable may be a good strategy, but not because gluten is inherently bad for non-Celiacs.
 
A lot of people also think they are allergic to it when they're not. So this is really not suprising.
 
FriedConsole said:
I feel bad for people who actually do have gluten allergies as nobody probably believes them anymore.
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Real celiac is pretty horrible. Eating out is a nightmare for people with the disease. Little things like using the same grill as you would to grill a hamburger bun can irritate it. This is the case you order a bunless burger for example.
 
FriedConsole said:
I feel bad for people who actually do have gluten allergies as nobody probably believes them anymore.
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I know someone who actually has one. I knew her before the craze and she had to carry her own special bread everywhere. She was the only person I knew with a gluten allergy.

Now that it's a craze she is actually enjoying it. Gluten free products are everywhere for her.
 
Is it weird that the audience thought that the black man and woman wouldn't know what gluten is but thought that the white men would?
 
This is a great example of why labeling is dangerous and must be done with care.

In theory, assuming all people are rational and knowledgeable, putting a label on something is a good idea. However, because of human nature, putting labels on things affects human behavior. Putting a label that says "contains monosodium glutamate" on the front of a product immediately causes people to ask questions, even if those questions don't reach the surface of their consciousness. Why is there a label for monosodium glutamate? It must be harmful or they wouldn't be putting a label on it. Why is the label on the front? That must mean it's particularly important, because most food labels go on the back in tiny lettering.

Gluten allergy is a real thing, but for most people, a vague, unclear understanding of gluten allergy is far worse than having no knowledge at all. As it stands, most people think gluten=bad because that's the vague impression they've gotten, without understanding the specifics.
 
Gluten free diets became popularised in the tennis world after Novak Djokovic announced he was a gluten free diet and proceeded to dominate the 2011 season. He no longer follows the diet and neither do some of the players who copied him.
 
One.upside to the Fad is that healthier food options are available since he extra income from the hippies trying out the gluten free fad subsidize places that sell these types of food. Also gluten free options are available in restaurants for the 1 in like .... a thousand person that has an allergy
 
Yeah, orthorexia is starting to become a problem in certain groups. There's a girl in my office who seems to be a super health nut who is gluten-free vegan. She's not fat but she doesn't look that healthy either...
 
Opiate said:
This is a great example of why labeling is dangerous and must be done with care.

In theory, assuming all people are rational and knowledgeable, putting a label on something is a good idea. However, because of human nature, putting labels on things affects human behavior. Putting a label that says "contains monosodium glutamate" on the front of a product immediately causes people to ask questions, even if those questions don't reach the surface of their consciousness. Why is there a label for monosodium glutamate? It must be harmful or they wouldn't be putting a label on it. Why is the label on the front? That must mean it's particularly important, because most food labels go on the back in tiny lettering.

Gluten allergy is a real thing, but for most people, a vague, unclear understanding of gluten allergy is far worse than having no knowledge at all. As it stands, most people think gluten=bad because that's the vague impression they've gotten, without understanding the specifics.
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Also n=1 experimentation and nocebo effects further compound the issue.
 
I never understood why there was demand for gluten free versions of regular food. Its relatively easy to avoid gluten in your diet.

I always love seeing the label on things that have no gluten anyway.
 
Azulsky said:
I never understood why there was demand for gluten free versions of regular food. Its relatively easy to avoid gluten in your diet.

I always love seeing the label on things that have no gluten anyway.
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It's important for celiac sufferers because even if there's no gluten, there can be cross-contamination and it's something like >17 ppm of gluten that can cause a reaction. In a way, this is why "gluten fads are great, now there's so much choice!" is actually harmful. Restaurants are touting gluten-free options because yes, the meal is free of gluten, but they're not bothering to take precautions about contamination because if it's just a diet choice there's no consequence.

Celiac forums are full of recommendations of restaurants that have fully gluten-free options, but they also have a wealth of stories of "gluten-free" meals that have caused reactions.
 
entrement said:
Real celiac is pretty horrible. Eating out is a nightmare for people with the disease. Little things like using the same grill as you would to grill a hamburger bun can irritate it. This is the case you order a bunless burger for example.
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I have a friend with Celiac's. But 90% of the "gluten free" people I know, are the kind of people who jump on every food fad in existence. Corn is the next one. I called it a couple years ago, and then a few months ago my sister-in-law was saying that she's started avoiding corn "because it's so bad for you." I don't often miss living in the Midwest, but whenever I hear people complaining about gluten, I want to run back to Ohio.

EDIT: http://www.area93.com/media/play/23187521/
 
I manage a cafe and we sell a small assortment of gluten-free pastries at the behest of my boss/owner. I can't tell you how many times a group of women will come in and one of them will remark at our selection of GF items, and then turn to her friends and say, "I'm on that new gluten-free thing." It's... pretty awful.
 
FriedConsole said:
I feel bad for people who actually do have gluten allergies as nobody probably believes them anymore.
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They took me off it when I was like, in grade 3? My parents took me to do one of those allergy tests where they poke you with a hundred needles to see what your allergic to. My asthma and swelling went away and I lost like 20 pounds. Now when I tell people I try my best not to eat wheat and shit they look at me like I'm retarded. Its so hard to avoid though when you go to restaurants with friends. The asthma thing is weird, like, I have no asthma anymore but if I eat a sub or something my breathing starts to get restricted. No idea why, I don't think its celiac.
 
My wife is not celiac, but has a condition that definitely makes her gluten "sensitive."
If she has something with gluten in it, she's on the toilet 5 minutes later..it's pretty bad.
There is definitely a lot of misinformation out there, though. The current marketing craze of "whole grain is good for you" needs to go away.
We have friends that are "gluten free when convenient." They say they're off gluten, but then proceed to eat a piece of ice cream cake with Oreos in it. Not gluten free.
Also, there are plenty of people who think that gluten free baked goods are good for you, just because they're GF. No. They have a ton of sugar in them, to make them not taste like shit.
Disclosure: I am NOT gluten free, myself. I will not stop eating the occasional 3 slices of pizza on some workout days (for the gainz).
 
I don't have the serum transaminase allergy so I don't have celiac disease. I do feel worse when I eat gluten or soy. It's genetic for the gluten and soy makes me feel bloated. Mostly, both (esp. soy) are a migraine trigger for me (I've done an elimination diet to parse out triggers) so I try to avoid both. I'm mostly gluten, dairy and soy (and some other stuff) free, but I wouldn't claim to be allergic to them. I just feel better head-wise and digestively when I don't eat them. I think that's reasonable.
 
entrement said:
Also n=1 experimentation and nocebo effects further compound the issue.
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Absolutely. I'll emphasize that my suggestion isn't that we should never tell anyone whether a product has gluten (or soy or MSG or anything else), but that this information should be handled carefully. It may seem intuitively appealing to believe that more information is always better, but in practice it frequently isn't. Without proper framing, more information can often lead to fear and uncertainty.

Example: should your doctor inform you that drinking too much water may be bad for you? It's a true thing related to health, and his job is to provide information and advice regarding your health. However, there are nearly an infinite number of things which could possibly affect your health, so if he chose to single out that one, it would give most people the impression that this fact is especially important, when of course it isn't.
 
Opiate said:
Absolutely. I'll emphasize that my suggestion isn't that we should never tell anyone whether a product has gluten (or soy or MSG or anything else), but that this information should be handled carefully. It may seem intuitively appealing to believe that more information is always better, but in practice it frequently isn't.
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But in practice it often is. We have logos and stickers to inform people when products are peanut-free, but there aren't whole movements dedicated to cutting out peanuts. Education is important, especially when it comes to something that is so dangerous to a certain portion of the population and so benign to the rest.
 
Stet said:
But in practice it often is. We have logos and stickers to inform people when products are peanut-free, but there aren't whole movements dedicated to cutting out peanuts. Education is important, especially when it comes to something that is so dangerous to a certain portion of the population and so benign to the rest.
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Yes, in practice it often is helpful, but in practice it often isn't, as well. You have to be careful what you label. Education is more than simply facts; it is how those facts are framed. Deciding what information to give people is central, because you cannot give them all the information. There are literally thousands of possible things that could possibly affect your health, and if you tried to explain all of those to people they would learn nothing rather than everything.
 
maxcriden said:
I don't have the serum transaminase allergy so I don't have celiac disease. I do feel worse when I eat gluten or soy. It's genetic for the gluten and soy makes me feel bloated. Mostly, both (esp. soy) are a migraine trigger for me (I've done an elimination diet to parse out triggers) so I try to avoid both. I'm mostly gluten, dairy and soy (and some other stuff) free, but I wouldn't claim to be allergic to them. I just feel better head-wise and digestively when I don't eat them. I think that's reasonable.
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You experienced what every single one of the test subjects experienced whether they dosed with gluten or placebo...
 
Stet said:
It's important for celiac sufferers because even if there's no gluten, there can be cross-contamination and it's something like >17 ppm of gluten that can cause a reaction. In a way, this is why "gluten fads are great, now there's so much choice!" is actually harmful. Restaurants are touting gluten-free options because yes, the meal is free of gluten, but they're not bothering to take precautions about contamination because if it's just a diet choice there's no consequence.

Celiac forums are full of recommendations of restaurants that have fully gluten-free options, but they also have a wealth of stories of "gluten-free" meals that have caused reactions.
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I remember eating out with the one celiac I know just before the fad really took off. She asked for a particular gluten free dish and the waitress asked "alright, just to make sure, are you actually allergic to gluten or do you just not like it?" "Why do you ask?" "Uhm, well we take extra precaution with the ingredients if you're actually allergic"
 
Stet said:
But in practice it often is. We have logos and stickers to inform people when products are peanut-free, but there aren't whole movements dedicated to cutting out peanuts. Education is important, especially when it comes to something that is so dangerous to a certain portion of the population and so benign to the rest.
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Kinitari said:
I remember eating out with the one celiac I know just before the fad really took off. She asked for a particular gluten free dish and the waitress asked "alright, just to make sure, are you actually allergic to gluten or do you just not like it?" "Why do you ask?" "Uhm, well we take extra precaution with the ingredients if you're actually allergic"
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The whole deal with people's allergies in combination with fad diets like the whole "Gluten free" thing are really weird and bizarre.

I know the peanut thing is because of more awareness of how horrible peanut allergies are. Nevertheless, i don't think banning peanuts from places like daycares and school wholesale is the way to go. Very rarely are people so allergic to peanuts that someone eating a peanut butter sandwich ten feet away is going to kill them....and in that case they are very aware of their allergy and have an epipen on them at all times. Yet, schools and daycares are treating all nut allergies this way. Weird.

My SO is allergic to eggs, and when we go out to eat, has to make sure nothing he orders has eggs in it, he's rarely gotten "are you actually allergic or just don't like them"? Which shows you the harm in fads, as Kinitari points out. People are beginning to see saying they have an allergy as a way to say "I just don't like it" or "I try to avoid X but don't know why".

But it's weird because, why would you pretend to be sick when you're not? Why would you pretend to not be able to eat something? I know a couple people with severe food allergies and watching how hard a simple act like eating out is for them makes me so glad I don't have one. Why would you pretend? Attention? I don't know man.

Still, funny vid, really like it.
 
I wish the whole gluten free diet bullshit would completely go away. My wife has Celiac Disease, so she can't have anything with gluten. Things are a lot better than they used to be due to the diet fad, but now were seeing the issue of items stating that they are gluten free, when they aren't at all. Not a good situation for someone with a legit food allergy to gluten.

Azulsky said:
I never understood why there was demand for gluten free versions of regular food. Its relatively easy to avoid gluten in your diet.

I always love seeing the label on things that have no gluten anyway.
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Holy fuck. Talk about ignorance.
 
DoctorWho said:
I know someone who actually has one. I knew her before the craze and she had to carry her own special bread everywhere. She was the only person I knew with a gluten allergy.

Now that it's a craze she is actually enjoying it. Gluten free products are everywhere for her.
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Exactly. Don't let these people know that it's a fad, thanks to them I have much cheaper gluten free pasta and breads. Shit's expensive enough as it is. Half a pound of the good gluten free spaghetti (BioNaturae) was $5, but now Ronzoni and Trader Joe's sell good penne for only $2.50 a pound or so.

Gluten free becoming a fad was a huge boon for people with celiac disease. So hush and stop debunking it :).
 
BrettWeir said:
I wish the whole gluten free diet bullshit would completely go away. My wife has Celiac Disease, so she can't have anything with gluten. Things are a lot better than they used to be due to the diet fad, but now were seeing the issue of items stating that they are gluten free, when they aren't at all. Not a good situation for someone with a legit food allergy to gluten.
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What? Could you give some examples, because that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
Risible said:
What? Could you give some examples, because that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Many food producing plants process multiple types of items, so gluten residue may ''stick'' to otherwise gluten free items.

If you read nutrition labels closely many say that such an item was produced in a plant where nuts, wheat, corn where also processed.
 
Risible said:
What? Could you give some examples, because that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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If it were last week, I could. She bought some nutrition bars that said that they were gluten free. Got them home, and checked the fine print.....and exactly what entrement said below is what was in the fine print.

entrement said:
Many food producing plants process multiple types of items, so gluten residue may ''stick'' to otherwise gluten free items.

If you read nutrition labels closely many say that such an item was produced in a plant where nuts, wheat, corn where also processed.
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Exactly.
 
FriedConsole said:
I feel bad for people who actually do have gluten allergies as nobody probably believes them anymore.
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DoctorWho said:
I know someone who actually has one. I knew her before the craze and she had to carry her own special bread everywhere. She was the only person I knew with a gluten allergy.

Now that it's a craze she is actually enjoying it. Gluten free products are everywhere for her.
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Yeah the downside is people think you're just an idiot, upside is there's no a market for gluten-free stuff for those who would have had to do a lot more hunting around before.

On the other hand, I'm not entirely certain how good some of the gluten-free stuff can be for you either, with all the arabic gum and polysyllabic unnatural-sounding names.
 
ebbybeh said:
Is it weird that the audience thought that the black man and woman wouldn't know what gluten is but thought that the white men would?
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I noticed that too. When they showed the audience I saw a ton of really old white people, so I guess it makes sense.
 
offtopic said:
You experienced what every single one of the test subjects experienced whether they dosed with gluten or placebo...
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So what do you suggest? I don't eat that stuff and I don't have those symptoms. So whether it's placebo effect or not, doesn't seem to matter.
 
BrettWeir said:
I wish the whole gluten free diet bullshit would completely go away. My wife has Celiac Disease, so she can't have anything with gluten. Things are a lot better than they used to be due to the diet fad, but now were seeing the issue of items stating that they are gluten free, when they aren't at all. Not a good situation for someone with a legit food allergy to gluten.
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I actually worked alongside with the fda when they were establishing their final rule on gluten-free labeling in 2013. There is testing that is done on all products that are labeled as such. Typically a test for gliadin presence is done and most places test for presence of <10ppm and the fda requires <20ppm .

If what you are saying is true, and having worked in food manufacturing I don't doubt it. There could have been cross contamination or even poor test methods.You should contact them.

I'm surprised that you would want the fad to end, most people that I know with celiac disease live the availability of all of the gluten-free products these days.
 
My girlfriend's sister is the epitome of this nonsense. Her and her home-schooled kids are all gluten free, farm roam eggs, free chicken, tofurkey, anti-Monsanto and .... has no fucking idea why in each case.

The other day I saw her asking about oil pulling on her Facebook. Yeah because that's the next thing she needs to be worried about. I swear she's the exact kind of person who helps spread this shit around and falls for every. fucking. thing. like. it.
 
TOP SHOTTA said:
My girlfriend's sister is the epitome of this nonsense. Her and her home-schooled kids are all gluten free, farm roam eggs, free chicken, tofurkey, anti-Monsanto and .... has no fucking idea why in each case.

The other day I saw her asking about oil pulling on her Facebook. Yeah because that's the next thing she needs to be worried about. I swear she's the exact kind of person who helps spread this shit around and falls for every. fucking. thing. like. it.
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Oil pulling will get out all the toxins though! Also, cure cancer and help you lose weight. Oh you smoke? It helps you quit smoking too. What's that, you don't WANT to quit? That's fine too, it breaks down the tar in your lungs. Anything else about you that you want a quick fix to? Whatever it is, swishing around oil in your mouth for 10 minutes will do it!
 
I saw this a few days ago. Kimmel nails it again. I see these kind of attitudes in Austin on a daily basis. I now just find it funny and a little sad. Kind of feel bad for people with Celiac, though.
 
Kinitari said:
Oil pulling will get out all the toxins though! Also, cure cancer and help you lose weight. Oh you smoke? It helps you quit smoking too. What's that, you don't WANT to quit? That's fine too, it breaks down the tar in your lungs. Anything else about you that you want a quick fix to? Whatever it is, swishing around oil in your mouth for 10 minutes will do it!
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"Toxins" is an oversimplification, But they do exist, but I wouldn't use the term toxin.. Mercury for example in fish is a valid concern.
 
EmmanuelMunoz said:
I actually worked alongside with the fda when they were establishing their final rule on gluten-free labeling in 2013. There is testing that is done on all products that are labeled as such. Typically a test for gliadin presence is done and most places test for presence of <10ppm and the fda requires <20ppm .

If what you are saying is true, and having worked in food manufacturing I don't doubt it. There could have been cross contamination or even poor test methods.You should contact them.

I'm surprised that you would want the fad to end, most people that I know with celiac disease live the availability of all of the gluten-free products these days.
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We don't trust anything due to cross contamination.

Oh, don't get me wrong. Like I said in a previous post, we are happy that the diet became a fad, because what is offered on the market now is night and day what was offered 8 years ago when she found out that she had the disease. We're just seeing more and more of the above mentioned scenario, which makes it pretty scary for her.

I mean.....I don't even think we would have brands like Udi's and Rudi's for pizza crust, breads, and muffins if it werent for the diet fad. Not to mention even Betty Crocker has a gluten free pancake mix now. It's definitely been great for her, but we find we are having to watch more and more as new products hit the market.
 
Kinitari said:
Oil pulling will get out all the toxins though! Also, cure cancer and help you lose weight. Oh you smoke? It helps you quit smoking too. What's that, you don't WANT to quit? That's fine too, it breaks down the tar in your lungs. Anything else about you that you want a quick fix to? Whatever it is, swishing around oil in your mouth for 10 minutes will do it!
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I had to google oil pulling. Ugh. Another thing I'll be endlessly hearing about on Facebook.

"Specifically, using sesame oil as an oral health agent helps to reduce the amount of S. mutans (germ) count in both teeth plaque and mouth saliva. "

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