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Don't worry, there's numerous studies showing that Oil Pulling is ineffective for anything, I'm sure that'll change my mom's mind!
People on gluten free diets don't know what ''gluten' is. (Jimmy Kimmel)
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Don't worry, there's numerous studies showing that Oil Pulling is ineffective for anything, I'm sure that'll change my mom's mind!
PsychoSoldier
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I totally get that some people following the diet are doing it for faddish reasons, but I feel like people who may have actual allergies or sensitivities are going to be unfairly hit by people backlashing against it.
I mean, I know for me I didn't even eliminate gluten/wheat specifically in order to try and deal with my digestive issues (I stopped eating a bunch of things at once) but wheat was the only thing that brought my issues back.
I mean, I know for me I didn't even eliminate gluten/wheat specifically in order to try and deal with my digestive issues (I stopped eating a bunch of things at once) but wheat was the only thing that brought my issues back.
Risible
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They can't be labelled gluten free if they are produced on machinery that also process gluten containing materials. It's like the fries of certain fast food places - even though they may be themselves gluten free, they get fried in fryers that also fry gluten containing products and those are not labelled gluten free.
You should report them, I'm certain that is illegal.
Here's the FDA paper on the gluten free label. From the report: It requires that, in order to use the term "gluten-free" on its label, a food must meet all of the requirements of the definition, including that the food must contain less than 20 parts per million of gluten. The rule also requires foods with the claims “no gluten,” “free of gluten,” and “without gluten” to meet the definition for “gluten-free.”
You can not label a food gluten free and then in the fine print say "Oh, btw, we process this on non-gluten-free machinery so it might have some gluten in the final product lol."
My problem with people who do this as a form of diet(as in to lose weight) is that my sister cannot have gluten for medical reasons. It's been an annoying ride to get used to accommodating that condition especially when gluten free things in stores marked up in price, so when I see people doing it as a means to lose weight I simply don't get it.
It's not just people doing it for dietary fad reasons. Some people mistakenly believe that they have a Gluten or Wheat "sensitivity" and recent studies have shown that a sensitivity to gluten is far less prevalent than the amount of people claiming to have it, and may not even exist at all.
Which is separate from diagnosable and treatable Celiac disease.
As a person who is a celiac. Its got a lot better in the past 5 yrs, thanks to all these fads. More and more national chains have started producing gf items. Plus we have seen a large decrease in price. Which makes it better. Bread is still 4-6 dollars a loaf.
The only plus is you tend to eat slightly better do to the most part, eating all the processed crap isn't really possible.
The only plus is you tend to eat slightly better do to the most part, eating all the processed crap isn't really possible.
Pay a friend $10 to order a special "Gluten Free!" permanent ink stamp. Pay them $10 to do your shopping and stamp everything. Save $20 per trip (because you aren't paying more for goods with a label you don't need), enjoy superior taste and feel great physically. Win and profit.
The nocebo effect is a powerful and majestic creature.
poppabk
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I think the difference is that people know and understand what a peanut is.
Risible
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Yes, many nutrition labels say that. However, I've never seen an item labelled gluten free labelled with that. It goes against the very definition of gluten free. Are you sure you saw both things present on one package? If so you should report them immediately.
Stuff like that is the best. If someone uses the word "toxin" when describing their diet you know they have zero idea what they're actually on about.
BrettWeir
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I'll see if my wife can find the bars again. But that's pretty much what was on the wrapper.
Mango Positive
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My wife did a lot of expensive tests, but was never "formally" diagnosed with Celiac. She lost a lot of weight one winter and since her aunt has Celiac, she assumed she did too, so she just stopped eating it. This was 9 years ago. Since then, we've become great cooks and she's feeling a lot better. She hasn't had a migraine in years, when they used to be weekly.
You really don't need to know the specifics if you feel it changes the way you actually feel. Not saying they do recognize how they feel whenever they have been consuming (or not) gluten. But, for instance, if as a runner you feel your performance is worse when on gluten why would you need to know the specifics of what it is? Or if you are actually losing some weight and feeling good overall.
There's certainly nothing inherently wrong with avoiding gluten. There's tons of alternative grains out there that do the job just as well if not better! I like the idea of challenging yourself to cook Gluten Free from time to time, just as I'm constantly challenged with cooking Egg Free (much harder to do BTW).
Does your wife say she has Celiac's disease?
TangoAlphaLima
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Yes, all the misinformation out there sucks. My wife has celiac, and my kids may end up developing it too (they could already have it, but it's difficult to diagnose in young children). I'm always angered when I see bad news articles on the subject of gluten.
There was an AP story a few months that made the rounds touting how there is "no such thing as a gluten allergy", which is true (many people have wheat allergies, and wheat is a gluten), but they put the disclaimer about celiac disease in a paragraph near the end of the story. How many people are gonna read that far down and see that celiac disease is a real thing? Probably not many. Most people are just going to read the headline and conclude that anyone who asks for gluten free products is a nut. It's very frustrating.
entremet
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That's pretty funny lol.
Celiac is a rare and diagnosable disease.
Gluten Sensitivity or allergy isn't diagnosable and recent studies show it may not exist.
Try being asian and avoiding gluten (luckily I don't have to but I do know someone with a gluten allergy)
BrettWeir
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Same boat bro fist!
……forgetit
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Or....you know, brush your goddamn teeth?I had to google oil pulling. Ugh. Another thing I'll be endlessly hearing about on Facebook.
"Specifically, using sesame oil as an oral health agent helps to reduce the amount of S. mutans (germ) count in both teeth plaque and mouth saliva. "
That doesn't make sense. I barely buy anything gluten free, I just mostly eat stuff that doesn't have gluten in it to begin with. What I'm saying is, as far as I'm aware gluten affects me. Whether or not it's a placebo is kind of irrelevant since I can't control it. It's not like you hear it's a placebo and suddenly it no longer bothers you.
I went on the diet ~5 years ago and it helped immensely, after I noticed problems after eating a lot of foods (Pizza, Chinese food) heavy in it. Didn't really look into it further for a while because of just how much it helped. (Depression basically went away, went back to school.)
But I kept having intermittent issues when eating that became really frustrating and it turns out the high fructose content in wheat was likely to blame, as cutting Onions/Garlic/Fruits in general down made me feel worlds better on a consistent basis. Having the GF stuff out there so heavily helps hugely with access to alternative options and being able to quickly narrow down what's probably alright for me to eat.
That's the point a placebo. If you think it doesn't have gluten then you can eat it and 'feel' better.
ScottSullivan
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One of my supervisors at work had a similar experience that she told me about. I wonder how much of it was just eating better in general and how much of it was the actual gluten protetins
How can you live in Austin without having caught Gluten allergies yet? 98% of the population here seems to have it, it's got to be contagious or at least environmental.
I'm going to guess she's eating a lot less breads now as a result of avoiding gluten. If so, she's probably losing a lot of weight by reducing her carb intake, which is a side effect of avoiding gluten. Almost everyone could stand to reduce their carb intake, but attributing weight loss to avoiding gluten can be faulty logic.
This seems to be what's really going on: http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bodywork/performance-plate/The-Fraud-that-Works-Gluten-Free-Diets.html?260806431&utm_campaign=googlenews&utm_source=googlenews&utm_medium=xmlfeed - the moment I realized something really weird was going on and started to be able to isolate it was when I had regular (HFCS) Pepsi for the first time in ages..... and was completely tired all day long despite drinking it consistently.
Daily Mail's banned, right? (They actually had the best/most "to the point" article on this I've seen, weirdly enough.)
TangoAlphaLima
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FYI, the Atkins diet was soooo last decade.
Not sure if sarcasm or not. Reducing carbs doesn't mean that the person has to do the Atkins diet.
Probably because she stopped eating gluten at one point and 'felt better'.
plagiarize
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Any diet that says 'don't eat this specific type of thing' is going to work at least partially, because it's going to limit your food options and make you pay more attention to what you eat.
If it makes you cook at home more, or avoid frozen foods, you're going to see benefits, regardless of whether or not the 'specific type of thing' is bad for you. Just paying more attention to what we are actually eating encourages us to make better choices.
If it makes you cook at home more, or avoid frozen foods, you're going to see benefits, regardless of whether or not the 'specific type of thing' is bad for you. Just paying more attention to what we are actually eating encourages us to make better choices.
This is my mother right here. Chronic health issues for years disappeared a few days after laying off the gluten. It's a legit problem but some people make remarks about her being on a trendy diet or whatever.
What happens is that most people are low information consumers who don't hear much but hear enough to understand, vaguely, that gluten is bad for some people. Labeling on food only compounds this: most low information people only see the "gluten free" labeling and reach the normal human conclusion that this gluten stuff must be bad for them because why else would they be told that X product is gluten free. In this regard, it's very much like the inverse of antioxidants; food will say it includes antioxidants, and thus people naturally conclude that antioxidants must be good for them because why else would they be telling us about it.
Celiac testing is really tough. The best method is a biopsy that involves the patient having to eat gluten for a long time prior -- which is in a lot of cases extremely painful. If her aunt has it and she started losing weight for no reason and the loss ended when she cut out gluten, I would say that a self-diagnosis isn't a bad thing. Her mother should probably get a biopsy done though, because if she has it chances are her mom has it too. Even if there are no discernible symptoms that doesn't make it safe to keep eating gluten, as symptoms worsen over time as irreparable damage can be done to your digestive system.
My girlfriend's mom has diagnosed celiac and my girlfriend has diagnosed celiac, but her brother never got formally diagnosed because he had all the symptoms and the genetic trait is a pretty good identifier.
Sub_Level
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As a waiter, the manager always pushed us to mention the gluten free menu in passing. I guess there was an incident where someone got really sick.
Interesting. I think the Seattle area is relatively educated when it comes to stuff like this. I've never spoken with anyone that wasn't aware that it was a sensitivity/disease issue.
Learning that gluten sensitivity MAY be BS is interesting though. Although I wonder how many people jump to conclusions because of confirmation bias. I am aware that people love t make fun of anyone who claims to be sensitive to food. Pretty messed up. There are people who fake having cancer, should we mock the concept of claiming you have cancer?
People being susceptible to the placebo nocebo affect doesn't prove the sensitivity issues don't exist.
chaostrophy
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This is true. But OTOH, I sometimes eat pure gluten (called seitan) because it's a good vegetarian source of protein- East Asian Buddhists have been eating it for ages. But now if it comes up in conversation, people think I have a death wish for eating the stuff.
Is there a concept or fallacy related to that? I'd love to read more about it : it seems to be happening more and more, especially with the over abundance of information outlets.
We all specialize in various areas and rely on outside sources of expertise to guide us in areas in which we don't have a great deal of information to some degree.
Ignatz Mouse
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I hate the fad people and I hate the backlash people. I hate everybody.
At least Gluten Free options are more common now.
Is it just me or is does anyone else think that when they ask the audience [in the Kimmel bit] whether the interviewee knows what gluten is, if the interviewee is black the audience tends not to believe they would know, whereas if the interviewee is white, the audience seems to more readily believe that they would know what gluten is. Small sample size though.
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This is actually a thing. A lot of people are not celiacs, but are just so chronically sick from a constantly poor diet/stress factors, that a bit of gluten may set them off. If they clean up their diet and reduce their stress factors, it turns out their bodies can actually handle what previously may have pushed it overboard.
No I know why it exists, I just want to know if there's a concept associated with that.
m_shortpants
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I just had an endoscopy last week because I screened positive for celiac on the blood test. Waiting for results, but yeah we'll see what happens. I certainly have the symptoms.
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