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this is my fav pedestrian question
this is my fav pedestrian question
People on gluten free diets don't know what ''gluten' is. (Jimmy Kimmel)
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I still strongly disagree with your viewpoint on this, Opiate, unless if we go only on "labels".
Because here is my last post from the previous labeling-GMO thread that shows an example of how much space you can work with if you really want to.
Now, I think that labels put in front of the products should indeed go away or be more regulated (because a candy containing 90g sugar/100g and almost nothing else having a huge label of "NO FAT" on the front is actually the most malicious thing I have seen in my life when it comes to food packaging...). But on the back? What the fuck, I mean.... if I want to exclude certain things from my diet (like milk, animal products, etc), I would pretty much love to have access to all the data.
There is space on the back, there is nothing to gain from hiding data, and there is everything to lose by hiding data.
Because here is my last post from the previous labeling-GMO thread that shows an example of how much space you can work with if you really want to.
Now, I think that labels put in front of the products should indeed go away or be more regulated (because a candy containing 90g sugar/100g and almost nothing else having a huge label of "NO FAT" on the front is actually the most malicious thing I have seen in my life when it comes to food packaging...). But on the back? What the fuck, I mean.... if I want to exclude certain things from my diet (like milk, animal products, etc), I would pretty much love to have access to all the data.
There is space on the back, there is nothing to gain from hiding data, and there is everything to lose by hiding data.
TangoAlphaLima
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Really? You couldn't tell if that was sarcasm? Oy.
Risible
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It's annoying as shit. Some know-it-all at a party was spouting off about it to me about how it was so trendy and that I should just forget it. I explained how I had a colonoscopy and a biopsy and that I had verifiable Celiac disease and how it was destroying the villi in my colon etc, etc, and he kept going on about how it was all just made up. Nothing I said would sway him in his belief. Moron.
I noticed it, but I thought it was just me as well.
I can't comment too much on the gluten free deal. All I can say is that I used to eat really badly and felt awful, but I have since cleaned up my eating and feel great. I've been avoiding gluten and dairy as much as possible and it's had an impact on how I feel, but I can't say that it's due to those two things entirely. I mean, going from eating junk food every day for 6 years and cleaning up just a little bit would probably show results anyway.
"People are bad"?
The fact of whether or not knowing a placebo is 'helping' you might be an interesting topic unto itself. In my case, I'd be extremely bothered knowing that I was tricking myself into feeling a certain way...that is just me though.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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You can technically eat nothing but peanuts, ice cream, Jolly Ranchers, and steak and still be "gluten-free." A gluten-free diet doesn't make you magically lose weight. I've had to avoid gluten at a doctor's suggestion to diagnose a digestive issue, and I have no idea why anyone would willingly subject themselves to this.
m_shortpants
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Same. I screened positive for Celiac's and my doctor made me go gluten free for two weeks. It's hard planning every meal and being limited in where you can eat. I'm still awaiting final diagnosis from the biopsy they took but in the meantime I'm going IN on the gluten filled foods I'll have to give up if the diagnosis is positive.
Good question. I believe the answer is affirming the consequent. The idea is this:
1) When a substance is unhealthy for everyone, doctors and nutritionists warn us about it.
2) Doctors and nutritionists warn us about gluten. Therefore, it must be unhealthy for everyone.
The first statement is true, but the second statement does not logically follow. They might warn us about gluten for a variety of reasons. Perhaps it's only unhealthy for a very small number of people, or perhaps it is only dangerous in extremely large quantities. There are lots of reasons nutritionists may tell us about something, but people often assume the one reason.
You do get used to it. I love a good pizza when I'm eating alone, but 6 days a week I eat gluten free for my girlfriend and as long as you're cooking fresh vegetables and meat, you learn quickly what's a good meal plan. Baking is the hardest.
I noticed too. No, it's not weird you also picked up on it. It is pretty fucked up and common tho.
Same here. I avoid grain/vegetable oils, soy/corn-derived ingredients in packaged foods (and packaged foods in general), eat grass-fed beef and pork most of the time, and generally don't drink soda or juice. Really helped with weight loss and just feeling better.
I am bothered by it, if that is in fact what's happening (which we don't know for certain). That doesn't mean there's anything I can do about it, though.
Chill out man, that was not in reference to actual celiacs, but the fad followers.
Not on GAF and especially not regarding Atkins diet. Try posting something regarding reducing carbs or going low carb on here and you'd be surprised at the reactions.
I still think you should contact the companies that you feel are selling contaminated products. Its a serious good safety concern and they should be informed.
I guess it depends on the specific Asian Cuisine but you still should have options.
Vietnamese has pretty decent choices with Pho and Bun.
Likewise I know Japanese has good options with Buckwheat(soba) and the sweet potato noodles(cant remember the name).
If you eat out you have to watch out for soup thickeners that involve wheat flour but I have a friend who I eat Pho with every week who is pretty far on the bad end of Celiac(not ppm bad but he has his house gluten free to avoid any cross contamination). But for home all hope is not lost.
As another example of affirming the consequent, consider this:
1) When it rains, the ground gets wet.
2) The ground is wet.
3) Therefore, it must have rained.
This is wrong. It may have rained, but there are several possible reasons the ground might be wet, so automatically assuming that it must have rained is not reasonable. Perhaps there was flooding. Perhaps fire hydrants were opened. Perhaps people were using their sprinkler systems. Perhaps there is another explanation I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.
This is colloquially referred to as "when there is smoke there is fire." It's the same thing that happens when you hear someone was charged with murder. It's possible that the person did nothing wrong, but our brains don't really work that way; that person's reputation is tarnished even if he is found innocent. We assume the cause (he must be a murderer) form the effect (he was charged with murder).
1) When it rains, the ground gets wet.
2) The ground is wet.
3) Therefore, it must have rained.
This is wrong. It may have rained, but there are several possible reasons the ground might be wet, so automatically assuming that it must have rained is not reasonable. Perhaps there was flooding. Perhaps fire hydrants were opened. Perhaps people were using their sprinkler systems. Perhaps there is another explanation I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.
This is colloquially referred to as "when there is smoke there is fire." It's the same thing that happens when you hear someone was charged with murder. It's possible that the person did nothing wrong, but our brains don't really work that way; that person's reputation is tarnished even if he is found innocent. We assume the cause (he must be a murderer) form the effect (he was charged with murder).
Here you go. This is the company, bar, and wrapper.
Jesus. Unless they're spot testing every bar on the line, that's kind of fucked.
BrettWeir
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Exactly. It's rather frustrating that they can get away with this.
RurouniZel
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I'm okay with it as it gives me a few more options of food to eat (gluten-sensitive, not celiac).
Hurts like hell when I eat something that had gluten or was cross-contaminated though. Hurts for hours and nothing I can do except wait until it goes away on its own.
Hurts like hell when I eat something that had gluten or was cross-contaminated though. Hurts for hours and nothing I can do except wait until it goes away on its own.
BrettWeir
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I'm okay with it as it gives me a few more options of food to eat (gluten-sensitive, not celiac).
Hurts like hell when I eat something that had gluten or was cross-contaminated though. Hurts for hours and nothing I can do except wait until it goes away on its own.
I'm not ok with it when it does that to my wife.....well, anyone
"If a person with celiac had the disease undiagnosed for a long period of time, or fails to maintain a gluten-free lifestyle after diagnosis, the chance of developing small intestinal cancer increases. Those with celiac disease are especially more likely to develop lymphomas in the small intestine because of their compromised immune system. In the past the increased risk of celiacs developing lymphomas was quite high, 40-100% more likely. However, more recent studies have shown that the risk of lymphoma is slightly higher than the normal population"
Finn of Ooo
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I have the same thing as your wife. Too much of it and I'm on the toilet for an hour. It sucks that people are making light of it but I'm not one to get upset over shit like that. However having more options due to the popularity is pretty sweet.
Risible
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I think they have to state by law if the plant handles those materials. However, in order to use the gluten free tag on the food it has to contain less than 20 ppm of gluten regardless of that statement. I think you're over-thinking this one.
m_shortpants
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So I had an endoscopy for my celiac diagnosis (ongoing) about 2 weeks ago. Just got the bill. Basically 4k. Thank you insurance.
Living in Los Angeles and dealing with people's crazy irrational diets and their need to talk about them incessantly is unbelievably painful.
I love the guys who say they have a gluten intolerance and then drink beer. Nope, sorry, you're just a douchebag.
I love the guys who say they have a gluten intolerance and then drink beer. Nope, sorry, you're just a douchebag.
BrettWeir
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You may be right, and I probably am. But I guess I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to my wife. And for some reason, I think she feels the same.
My girlfriend was diagnosed with Celiac...I took the plunge with her to make it easier. We both put on about 10-15lbs after the first three months. Most gluten free processed foods just add a ton of sugar to try to make up for the taste difference. Now, we've just changed to a more all natural diet, if we didnt make it or it includes more than a few ingredients, we generally don't eat it.
Ignatz Mouse
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That might be true for some people but not for me. I eat all sorts of FODMAPS with no effect, but wheat makes me sick.
I lost 20 pounds when I went Gf. I don't eat a lot of pre-packaged alternatives, though. Just bread and cookies and pancake flour, and not a lot of those.
Yeah, eating at home is pretty manageable. It's just really hard avoiding it when eating out, especially at hole in the wall places (the best). Basically anything that could possibly contain or touch something that contains soy sauce is a no-go. I'm aware of some gluten free soy sauces, but most places don't carry it
Yeah, eating at home is pretty manageable. It's just really hard avoiding it when eating out, especially at hole in the wall places (the best). Basically anything that could possibly contain or touch something that contains soy sauce is a no-go. I'm aware of some gluten free soy sauces, but most places don't carry it
You pretty much cannot eat at a place that doesn't have a specified gluten free menu. Even if they have a few GF menu items, cross contamination is very likely.
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