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Person of Interest – The Fifth and Final Season |OT| "Thank you for creating me."

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OK, now that most of the tears are out of my eyes...

What a fantastic ending. I'm at a loss for words. I can't remember the last time a show got me like this. A lot of things can go wrong with ending a series like this, but I think they did it right.

It also just occurred to me that it was this community that got me watching this show to begin with when I was just lurking last summer. I had some interest in it but it this community's recommendation that got me to watch via Netflix (disc-only back then) but I was hooked pretty fast. Thanks PoIGAF, and thanks to all involved with the creation of this incredible show.
 

PK Gaming

Member
There isn't much I can say at this point

I had so many expectations for the final episode and I was afraid it was only going to deliver maybe half

But it delivered

It goddamned delivered the greatest finale to a TV show I have ever seen


The best scene in the show hands down and straight up my favorite scene in all of television
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I'm still not sure how I feel about the ending, particularly because something about the final couple of episodes feel like they just threw an ending together because they needed to end it.

So there are strange ideas like other teams around America, if not the world, but none of them help. Same with Thornhill being used as a last minute save, but not being a part of the final confrontation itself.

The Samaritan cop assassin guy (whatever his name is) felt like a throwaway character that went nowhere. A few episodes ago he goes to a hospital and gets a virus that is supposed to be used to "thin out the herd"... and that storyline just ends. They give him his own flashback to try to make him a bigger part of the show, but everything involving him felt a bit like the writers trying to find a way to end the arc at the last moment. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to feel when Shaw kills him, particularly when you have the Machine with Root's voice tell Shaw now to kill him while they were in the subway car.

This is a stupid nitpick that probably only bothered me, but I laughed at the blind devotion of the Samaritan agents. It reminded me of the dumb Uncharted moments where Drake is in the middle of an exploding building and rather than run away, all the brain dead AI enemies continue to shoot at Drake regardless of their own lives. Now maybe they had no idea a cruise missile was coming to blow them all up, and maybe they're supposed to be "ISIS-like" in their devotion to the cause so they don't care if they die, but it was just one of those things that felt silly to me. It didn't help that the actual sequence felt like a video game as well, because if you play any shooter, you have played the "sit here and defend the computer while it uploads" sequence at least once in your life (if you play The Division, then you've played it hundreds of times).

As for the ending itself, I'm... also not sure. The Machine can't beat Samaritan. It's something they keep bringing up... but she says that she can win because now there are actual stakes involved. In a way, it felt a bit anime, where the hero learns about the power of love and is suddenly able to overcome overwhelming odds in order to defeat the villain. I guess I'm fine with that? I'm not sure what I would have liked to see. Maybe a final confrontation between Root and the boy that represented Samaritan as they debated about what to do with humanity? I don't know.

I think generally I'm positive on the ending, but for me, I can't shake the feeling that it could have had a bigger impact for me.
 
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Source: https://twitter.com/pediaofinterest/status/745451515117133826/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I immediately noticed what they were doing. It's like poetry.
 

MartyStu

Member
I'm still not sure how I feel about the ending, particularly because something about the final couple of episodes feel like they just threw an ending together because they needed to end it.

So there are strange ideas like other teams around America, if not the world, but none of them help. Same with Thornhill being used as a last minute save, but not being a part of the final confrontation itself.

The Samaritan cop assassin guy (whatever his name is) felt like a throwaway character that went nowhere. A few episodes ago he goes to a hospital and gets a virus that is supposed to be used to "thin out the herd"... and that storyline just ends. They give him his own flashback to try to make him a bigger part of the show, but everything involving him felt a bit like the writers trying to find a way to end the arc at the last moment. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to feel when Shaw kills him, particularly when you have the Machine with Root's voice tell Shaw now to kill him while they were in the subway car.

This is a stupid nitpick that probably only bothered me, but I laughed at the blind devotion of the Samaritan agents. It reminded me of the dumb Uncharted moments where Drake is in the middle of an exploding building and rather than run away, all the brain dead AI enemies continue to shoot at Drake regardless of their own lives. Now maybe they had no idea a cruise missile was coming to blow them all up, and maybe they're supposed to be "ISIS-like" in their devotion to the cause so they don't care if they die, but it was just one of those things that felt silly to me. It didn't help that the actual sequence felt like a video game as well, because if you play any shooter, you have played the "sit here and defend the computer while it uploads" sequence at least once in your life (if you play The Division, then you've played it hundreds of times).

As for the ending itself, I'm... also not sure. The Machine can't beat Samaritan. It's something they keep bringing up... but she says that she can win because now there are actual stakes involved. In a way, it felt a bit anime, where the hero learns about the power of love and is suddenly able to overcome overwhelming odds in order to defeat the villain. I guess I'm fine with that? I'm not sure what I would have liked to see. Maybe a final confrontation between Root and the boy that represented Samaritan as they debated about what to do with humanity? I don't know.

I think generally I'm positive on the ending, but for me, I can't shake the feeling that it could have had a bigger impact for me.

I was with you until this. This is quite possibly one of the worst endings they could have attempted. I was terrified of this possibility when he was introduced in season 3.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I was with you until this. This is quite possibly one of the worst endings they could have attempted. I was terrified of this possibility when he was introduced in season 3.
Well, I suppose they had that confrontation already back then. lol

I mean, for me, it was the Machine learning about the value of human life - and that's what gives her the ability to beat Samaritan while they are fighting in the satellite. At least that's the implication, given the fact that the one important thing she leaves her "reborn self" at the end is a message with that lesson.

But it really just seemed abstract. Particularly when the big climax to that battle is a UI screen that basically says "hacking complete".



Probably people being salty because Finch got something that they thought was denied of Shaw/Root.
Something something heteronormative somthing.

(Not to dismiss those criticisms, but also if they weren't going to kill off Finch, then... it had to end there. Particularly when the whole final arc began because he went to a cafe that he used to go to with Grace)
 

MartyStu

Member
Probably people being salty because Finch got something that they thought was denied of Shaw/Root.

To be fair, John was also denied this, and he deserved it just as much as Finch.

And while Shaw definitely deserved a happy ending after all the shit she went through, not nearly enough to justify mangling Root's character arc.

Well, I suppose they had that confrontation already back then. lol

I mean, for me, it was the Machine learning about the value of human life - and that's what gives her the ability to beat Samaritan while they are fighting in the satellite. At least that's the implication, given the fact that the one important thing she leaves her "reborn self" at the end is a message with that lesson.

But it really just seemed abstract. Particularly when the big climax to that battle is a UI screen that basically says "hacking complete".

I take issue with how...truncated everything is, but I otherwise think that an abstract, sort of uncertain ending is the only proper way to approach the conclusion.

Maybe not quite this, but my ideal ending would have been pretty close.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
The tears won't stop.
This has been an epic ride. While a good finale, at the same time I wish there was more. The seeds were planted.

Netflix baby? Amazon?
 

Sober

Member
I'm still not sure how I feel about the ending, particularly because something about the final couple of episodes feel like they just threw an ending together because they needed to end it.

So there are strange ideas like other teams around America, if not the world, but none of them help. Same with Thornhill being used as a last minute save, but not being a part of the final confrontation itself.

The Samaritan cop assassin guy (whatever his name is) felt like a throwaway character that went nowhere. A few episodes ago he goes to a hospital and gets a virus that is supposed to be used to "thin out the herd"... and that storyline just ends. They give him his own flashback to try to make him a bigger part of the show, but everything involving him felt a bit like the writers trying to find a way to end the arc at the last moment. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to feel when Shaw kills him, particularly when you have the Machine with Root's voice tell Shaw now to kill him while they were in the subway car.

This is a stupid nitpick that probably only bothered me, but I laughed at the blind devotion of the Samaritan agents. It reminded me of the dumb Uncharted moments where Drake is in the middle of an exploding building and rather than run away, all the brain dead AI enemies continue to shoot at Drake regardless of their own lives. Now maybe they had no idea a cruise missile was coming to blow them all up, and maybe they're supposed to be "ISIS-like" in their devotion to the cause so they don't care if they die, but it was just one of those things that felt silly to me. It didn't help that the actual sequence felt like a video game as well, because if you play any shooter, you have played the "sit here and defend the computer while it uploads" sequence at least once in your life (if you play The Division, then you've played it hundreds of times).

As for the ending itself, I'm... also not sure. The Machine can't beat Samaritan. It's something they keep bringing up... but she says that she can win because now there are actual stakes involved. In a way, it felt a bit anime, where the hero learns about the power of love and is suddenly able to overcome overwhelming odds in order to defeat the villain. I guess I'm fine with that? I'm not sure what I would have liked to see. Maybe a final confrontation between Root and the boy that represented Samaritan as they debated about what to do with humanity? I don't know.

I think generally I'm positive on the ending, but for me, I can't shake the feeling that it could have had a bigger impact for me.
I think Blackwell is a bit of a casualty from the 13 episode run. Because we know from the other 4 seasons of the show they know how to make a villain sympathetic. It's a shame he sort of got relegated to plot device and then gunned down at the end, though to be fair that was a foregone conclusion anyway.

As for the Machine vs. Samaritan, maybe. But this has never been that much of a realistic show in certain aspects even when they literally carry other aspects so close to the chest. I don't think the show is ever entirely grounded when it would rather be more poetic or literary when it comes to what it wants to be about. And one of the big underlying themes of the show has always been the value of human life, even in the most filler of episodes, that's thematically, emotionally, and even mechanically what the show is about.

And the last big confrontation is one machine that has learned the true value of human life (call it the power of love if you will) vs. a cold utilitarian bent on world domination. So yeah, call it what you will but if you just gave me a straight up AI 0s and 1s vs other 0s and 1s instead, I don't know if that would be as satisfying.
 
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Deleted member 80556

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Question: So that shot in a cemetery towards the end, that read "John Tal--", was the implication that John is buried there?

It would be nice to see that John was buried under his real name, contrary to what he thought. EDIT: I need HD GIF versions of that attack scene!

But it really just seemed abstract. Particularly when the big climax to that battle is a UI screen that basically says "hacking complete".

I think it was kind of a point. To create suspense. There were billions of simulations in which the Machine lost against Samaritan, you really aren't sure if the Machine was able to infect Samaritan with the Ice-9 virus. I actually did not think at first that the point of the satellite was the ark that was going to save one and only one of the ASI's from their great filter, the virus.
 
To be fair, John was also denied this, and he deserved it just as much as Finch.

And while Shaw definitely deserved a happy ending after all the shit she went through, not nearly enough to justify mangling Root's character arc.

In retrospect, knowing what happened in return 0, I think the point is that John was never going to get that ending. He had a chance to move on with Iris, but he restrained himself to prevent her from being a casualty (especially
after the guilt surrounding Jessica, and witnessing Carter getting blindsided
). He's always been that type where he'd rather sacrifice than see someone close to him get hurt, and they ended his character arc on that note.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
I'm still not sure how I feel about the ending, particularly because something about the final couple of episodes feel like they just threw an ending together because they needed to end it.

So there are strange ideas like other teams around America, if not the world, but none of them help. Same with Thornhill being used as a last minute save, but not being a part of the final confrontation itself.

The Samaritan cop assassin guy (whatever his name is) felt like a throwaway character that went nowhere. A few episodes ago he goes to a hospital and gets a virus that is supposed to be used to "thin out the herd"... and that storyline just ends. They give him his own flashback to try to make him a bigger part of the show, but everything involving him felt a bit like the writers trying to find a way to end the arc at the last moment. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to feel when Shaw kills him, particularly when you have the Machine with Root's voice tell Shaw now to kill him while they were in the subway car.

This is a stupid nitpick that probably only bothered me, but I laughed at the blind devotion of the Samaritan agents. It reminded me of the dumb Uncharted moments where Drake is in the middle of an exploding building and rather than run away, all the brain dead AI enemies continue to shoot at Drake regardless of their own lives. Now maybe they had no idea a cruise missile was coming to blow them all up, and maybe they're supposed to be "ISIS-like" in their devotion to the cause so they don't care if they die, but it was just one of those things that felt silly to me. It didn't help that the actual sequence felt like a video game as well, because if you play any shooter, you have played the "sit here and defend the computer while it uploads" sequence at least once in your life (if you play The Division, then you've played it hundreds of times).

As for the ending itself, I'm... also not sure. The Machine can't beat Samaritan. It's something they keep bringing up... but she says that she can win because now there are actual stakes involved. In a way, it felt a bit anime, where the hero learns about the power of love and is suddenly able to overcome overwhelming odds in order to defeat the villain. I guess I'm fine with that? I'm not sure what I would have liked to see. Maybe a final confrontation between Root and the boy that represented Samaritan as they debated about what to do with humanity? I don't know.

I think generally I'm positive on the ending, but for me, I can't shake the feeling that it could have had a bigger impact for me.

1: Figure with the Machine literally entering Closing Time, it might have decided to only keep in touch with TM. Besides, any other groups out there, have been using the old Numbers system, just not enough info to help.

2. That DNA Storyline was what it was working on, and it never anticipated actually dying, just like people do. Samaritan's unfinished business.

3. The Agent guy, could have potentially been stopped/turned twice earlier in the season (Episode 2 when the machine was just spewing out numbers/Later on when Root gets the drop on him). That's not to say Samaritan couldn't just send another person out to do the virus thing, or kill Root from that roof.

4. Yeah, there are some over-loyal lackeys, though no way they knew the building was targeted. But hey, TM has overstayed their welcomes in plenty of situations too.

5. Baby Machine never really fought with the "offensive" capability that Root installed later. Don't think Finch unlocked and tested it out, too busy working on his endgame. But yeah, you could say it was the last chance/Underdog does Good cliche. But technically, Upgrayed Machine never actually got a crack at Samaritan until the Satellite.


??

She's dead.

Greer "erased" her.

POI originally said, yeah, she "died" but recent interviews state that she just currently is in "a Dark Hole", leaving it completely unknown as to her fate (in case a spin-off ever happens)
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I take issue with how...truncated everything is, but I otherwise think that a and abstract, uncertain ending is perfect for this series.

Maybe not quite this one, but my ideal one would have been pretty close.
I guess for me it's not really uncertain. The good guys win and it all goes back to the status-quo, with the Machine running numbers and giving orders to Shaw and presumably the other teams. I don't mind that, but I was just left a bit underwhelmed with how it all wrapped up given that this was going to be the big confrontation that the last few seasons built up to.

I think Blackwell is a bit of a casualty from the 13 episode run. Because we know from the other 4 seasons of the show they know how to make a villain sympathetic. It's a shame he sort of got relegated to plot device and then gunned down at the end, though to be fair that was a foregone conclusion anyway.
I honestly expected that, if the show continued, he would have ended up joining the team. With what they gave him, all we know is that he sees Samaritan as a second chance because no one will hire him and that he has no real loyalty to the cause. As it is, he's basically another generic henchman who happened to have a few lines.
As for the Machine vs. Samaritan, maybe. But this has never been that much of a realistic show in certain aspects even when they literally carry other aspects so close to the chest. I don't think the show is ever entirely grounded when it would rather be more poetic or literary when it comes to what it wants to be about. And one of the big underlying themes of the show has always been the value of human life, even in the most filler of episodes, that's thematically, emotionally, and even mechanically what the show is about.

And the last big confrontation is one machine that has learned the true value of human life (call it the power of love if you will) vs. a cold utilitarian bent on world domination. So yeah, call it what you will but if you just gave me a straight up AI 0s and 1s vs other 0s and 1s instead, I don't know if that would be as satisfying.
Perhaps I might have been happy if the Machine decided to sacrifice itself by de-orbiting the satellite and killing both itself and Samaritan. But then that's just another cliche "now humanity is free to make it's own choices" ending I suppose.
 
So, POI-GAF... where do we go from here? I mean, the finale is just settling in...

Mr Robot and Westworld? They're picking up on trail that POI blazed so beautifully.
 
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Deleted member 80556

Unconfirmed Member
The Machine was no fool either. It knew, just like Samaritan, that ASI proliferation was not a question of 'if' rather than 'when'. Better for it to be the creation of Finch that another person's.

Finch also didn't want the Machine to die, but he was going to accept it as a sacrifice to kill Samaritan.

EDIT: I'm definitely watching Mr. Robot and Westworld. Specially the latter since it's done by Jonah Nolan.
 

Nobility

Banned
Thank you Nolan, Plageman, every single writer from this fantastic show. This was a once in a lifetime TV show for me. All of my hopes, dreams and paranoia in an amazing television series that had my attention from beginning to end.

I said at the end of season two that this became my favourite show of all time and it just got better until the end. I can't count the amount of times when I just pause for a moment, have this goofy smile on my face because I look/think of something that reminds me of Person of Interest.

I will be re watching this show for years to come. If this is truly the end, I can't think of a better way to end it.

POI-GAF thank you for all the memories, I still revisit the old season threads, we had so many theories and so many thoughts that were cast aside or exposed for an even bigger reveal.

Farewell, maybe we will meet again...see ya'll in October. :D


Shame we never got a wrap-up on Control lady.

I think from the ATX event we found out there was scheduling issues (same reason why they couldn't get Paige Turco).

Really sucks, I wanted to see them both. ;(
 

Sober

Member
Perhaps I might have been happy if the Machine decided to sacrifice itself by de-orbiting the satellite and killing both itself and Samaritan. But then that's just another cliche "now humanity is free to make it's own choices" ending I suppose.
Sure, but I think the show overall has always had a more optimistic outlook and it would sometimes prefer to engage in theme and philosophy than just rapid firing plot - or sometimes it would do both at the same time.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Yeah, guess I could get around to watching Mr Robot, and Westworld too (though I did have hard feelings that J. Nolan slightly abandoned POI the last couple seasons to work on it). Plageman put in the work.

I still like my "Samaritan's the 18-1 New England Patriot" line. Undefeated right up until the big game, goes out with that big fat L.

A couple of tracks from the finale:

Cuts
Metamorphosis I

Thanks for that 2nd song, I wondered where it was from. Knew it wasn't RD's, I know I've heard it somewhere before. Was it in Battlestar Galactica? Truman Show? Was driving me nuts, gotta go find out where.
 
Baby Machine never really fought with the "offensive" capability that Root installed later. Don't think Finch unlocked and tested it out, too busy working on his endgame. But yeah, you could say it was the last chance/Underdog does Good cliche. But technically, Upgrayed Machine never actually got a crack at Samaritan until the Satellite.

This is true finch only let go after root die and machine gain full power .
As for the characters i think everyone end up how i thought they would .

Perhaps I might have been happy if the Machine decided to sacrifice itself by de-orbiting the satellite and killing both itself and Samaritan. But then that's just another cliche "now humanity is free to make it's own choices" ending I suppose.

The thing is they said ASI are coming no matter what so that ending would be more of a reset .
So i much rather this one .
 
Shame we never got a wrap-up on Control lady.
I assume that her story line was over and we were not expected to see her again. Her capture/death was supposed to show Samaritan taking over the government and I honestly did not feel bad at all when she was taken away. She was an evil person that committed horrible crimes to keep a secret and I do not think we were supposed to get some kind of "She escapes and then goes on a redemption quest" story line.
 

PK Gaming

Member
So, POI-GAF... where do we go from here? I mean, the finale is just settling in...

Mr Robot and Westworld? They're picking up on trail that POI blazed so beautifully.

Probably gonna hit the road.

Gonna maybe stick with this thread for a bit and check out those shows, but there's no way i'll be as into them like I was with PoI.

PoI is straight up my favorite show in fiction. And i'm glad it was able to reinforce that to me one last time with that finale.\

So long POI-Gaf, it's been real. My only regret is that I didn't get into this series earlier.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I think it was kind of a point. To create suspense. There were billions of simulations in which the Machine lost against Samaritan, you really aren't sure if the Machine was able to infect Samaritan with the Ice-9 virus. I actually did not think at first that the point of the satellite was the ark that was going to save one and only one of the ASI's from their great filter, the virus.
I wonder, if opening the season with the monologue that the Machine gives at the end, was a foreshadowing of it's victory. Or at least a reset. I'm not sure.

1: Figure with the Machine literally entering Closing Time, it might have decided to only keep in touch with TM. Besides, any other groups out there, have been using the old Numbers system, just not enough info to help.
Ultimately I don't mind, but I wish they didn't use "Thornhill" to snipe all those guys by the pier. Because it just put in my mind that the Machine could have had other people help but didn't - maybe because Finch didn't want to put others in direct danger, or maybe simply as a plot oversight.

2. That DNA Storyline was what it was working on, and it never anticipated actually dying, just like people do. Samaritan's unfinished business.

3. The Agent guy, could have potentially been stopped/turned twice earlier in the season (Episode 2 when the machine was just spewing out numbers/Later on when Root gets the drop on him). That's not to say Samaritan couldn't just send another person out to do the virus thing, or kill Root from that roof.
I guess that's an explanation. But from the point of view of someone watching a written text, it's like a vestigial storyline that could have been completely cut from season 5 and nothing would have changed.

4. Yeah, there are some over-loyal lackeys, though no way they knew the building was targeted. But hey, TM has overstayed their welcomes in plenty of situations too.
It was just funny because it was literally a video game sequence come to life. Actually, defending Finch while he's hacking a computer is another example of that.

5. Baby Machine never really fought with the "offensive" capability that Root installed later. Don't think Finch unlocked and tested it out, too busy working on his endgame. But yeah, you could say it was the last chance/Underdog does Good cliche. But technically, Upgrayed Machine never actually got a crack at Samaritan until the Satellite.
There is that too I suppose. Although the finale makes the lesson learned about the value of life more important than Finch unleashing the Machine in the last couple of episodes.

I assume that her story line was over and we were not expected to see her again. Her capture/death was supposed to show Samaritan taking over the government and I honestly did not feel bad at all when she was taken away. She was an evil person that committed horrible crimes to keep a secret and I do not think we were supposed to get some kind of "She escapes and then goes on a redemption quest" story line.
I feel like the Senator being fine and a part of the system at the end was basically a wrap up to that entire government arc. Nothing really changes because you can't defeat everyone and the system continues to grind.
 

RS4-

Member
This show really filled a void left in my heart by Lost, so thank you, POI.

Now what...
Maybe time to rewatch Lost

BSG

(lol)

I actually tried to watch LOST , I think I got through 3 seasons, maybe 4. I haven't actually seen a single ep of POI again, but I think that'll change in a few months when I start with s01.
 
This show really filled a void left in my heart by Lost, so thank you, POI.

Now what...
Maybe time to rewatch Lost
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. While I loved Fringe, this show just had something extra that made me love it so much (I also vastly preferred this show's final season).

Although, now I have another hole ;_;

On to Westworld!
 

Veelk

Banned
Great ending to a great show.

The only real misstep of the season felt like last weeks episode. They were all desperate to try to wrap things up, so Greer got a rather pathetic death and Samaritan was beaten by a supervirus that was just randomly introduced last minute.

Other than that, and the rushing of some stuff, I'm pretty satisfied with this series overall. I wish we had a few more minutes with Samaritan. It always fascinated me to hear his opinion on things because he really was often more rational than most villains. His contact with Harry on the billboard was one final glimpse of that. What right does Harold have to decide the fate of man? What right does Harold have to decide Samaritan's life isn't worth sparing? I wonder if, now that he had been backed into a corner, Samaritan would have been open to negociations on having a check on it's power. Not that I or probably Harold would have believed it, but it'd be an interesting conversation if it were true. It always interested me how the first thing Samaritan said when it came online was "What are your commands" before deferred command to it. To what extent would it have obeyed?

Amyway, as far as Samaritan losing, I feel it makes sense. While I have faith that the Machine's simulations were pretty detailed and accurate, no simulation can be 100% accurate and the idea that it could run 5 billion simulations with no loss was pretty unconvincing, if only because you have to have a theoretical way for which to Samaritan to lose in mind to run a simulation to test it. So, my guess is between Samaritan being in a desperate situation that it is unused to being in, plus the Ice-9 virus wreaking havok on it's intelligence, probably moreso than the Machines since I imagine he had greater presence in the world, he made bad decisions in the fight that let the Machine win. As far as The Machine's line of "Now I have something to fight for", I think it was just a poetic line that emphasized how much need the machine has to win. It's not something that I think gives the machine actual greater success, since I'm guessing Samaritan felt a pretty strong need to survive because it cared about itself just as much, but it was a good way of showing, one last time, that the Machine is a benevolent AI God, willing to sacrifice itself, and that instilled hope in Harry.

Samaritan was a great villain and I hope it will be one of the most remembered in Sci-fi TV. Person of interest was a show that took exceptionally good care in depicting it's villains with rational and humanistic motives, and I hope other shows take inspiration from that.

The rest of the episode was a cry fest as we have the final storylines of the team. I am left wondering if Fusco's ending was a good one. He's back at his job, but with the machine back, I'm wondering: Is he going to rejoin the new Team Machine, or will he find his place in normal society now? It's a rather ambiguous ending, almost. Team Machine roared into his life, taking him for a trip of the highest ups and downs, and now he's back to the ordinary. How does he feel about that? I'm not even sure.

Shaw is similarly difficult to pin down. She has become the new Reese in many ways, but Shaw doesn't have Reese's hero complex and was only ever somewhat altrustic because of her friends....who are now all dead, which means she had no qualms taking revenge on that guy. This last episode arc for Shaw was about her being true to herself, and while you cannot understand how much I appreciate a good depiction of a person with a lack of empathy disorder depicted in a show, a lack of empathy does mean Shaw would be morally lost without her friends. So it's a good thing the machine survived and gave her a ring. Like Reese, she needs this job, because without it, bad things happen. Only difference is that while Reese placed himself on a path of self destruction, Shaw's destruction would have been directed outward. Which is why the machine coming back online is so important as a symbolic new beginning. A new Team Machine will have to be assembled, and Shaw will have to connect to new friend, if she is going to remain a good vigilante.

Harold's and Reese's ending was nothing short of beautiful btw. Truly, tears were spilled. Reese does what he can't help himself but doing, and this time it's to save Harry, while Harold is forced out of his suicidal state of mind by finally being reunited with his wife. I'm not even gonna analyze it, everything here is pretty obvious. A perfect ending for our notBatman we've all grown to love. And excellent choice of music.

Unlike Fusco, there is no ambiguity with Harry being placed back into his old life. Since the moment she was revealed, all Harold wanted to do was get back to Grace and be with her. It's so very little often I feel anything for romances that are placed on the periphery, because often the woman in the picture (and it's almost always a woman) is given very little characterization and only serves as a plot device for the main character. But I can't help but feel that in this case, the writers were able to make her feel real enough for it to work. I think there are several reasons for that, but maybe most of all because in a world of truly moral ambiguity, she has been shown to be this unassuming, kind, and humble person. A true beacon of light of the best of humanity. Harold finally reuniting with her at the end, then was truly heartwarming.

Ultimately, I think the machine's penultimate words before it came offline sum this show up well.

"But we helped some people, didn't we?"

Yes you did, PoI.
 
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2 things I wish had happened:

- The judge from S1, would have loved to see something coming out of that. I guess with John dead, we can say goodbye to that, plus the MI6 ex agent side plot from S2.

- Wish we could've seen more of the effects of the virus, but they were focusing on the team, which I guess was more important. Wish we could've had a two part finale.
 
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