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Persona 4 Golden |OT| Love is the only gold.

getting destroyed in the highschool kid's dungeon lol. i don't remember this being that hard before... but that was when i had more freetime to grind and what not... protag is lvl 30 while mobs are in the 40s.

And there is that one red mob that absorbs all elements and is weak to physical, but casts physical reflect off the bat and then spams megaldon. Is there any way to beat him?
 

Curufinwe

Member
I also had some trouble in that dungeon and particularly on the boss because I had spent as little time as possible in all the previous dungeons. So I was around 10 levels lower than I was when I got to that dungeon on the original P4.
 
When should I start fusing personas? I just
rescued Yukiko
and I don't have room for more personas. Also, if I fuse, I loose that persona right. The only way to get it back is through battle and getting the card again right? I noticed you can register them. If I do this can I like buy them back or something?

Edit
Someone said this in another forum for Persona 3.....does this hold true for Persona 4?
You should fuse every persona at least once.

How to fuse:

Step 1: Save everything to the compendium (unless it's a persona received from shuffle time).

Step 2: See if you can make any new personas.

Step 3: Make any new personas.

Step 4: Save new personas to compendium.

Step 5: Buy back any important ingredient personas used (for example, if you use your fire specialist to make something that isn't a fire specialist).

Step 6: Repeat steps 2-6 until you can't do it anymore (for lack of money or you've made everything before)

You can aim to make certain personas if you know what you're doing, but just making every persona once while trying to inherit the better skills should be good enough.
 

Caladrius

Member
getting destroyed in the highschool kid's dungeon lol. i don't remember this being that hard before... but that was when i had more freetime to grind and what not... protag is lvl 30 while mobs are in the 40s.

And there is that one red mob that absorbs all elements and is weak to physical, but casts physical reflect off the bat and then spams megaldon. Is there any way to beat him?

You may want to get back to the strip club and fight some golden hands first, or try to kill the ones in the current dungeon if you can manage it.

For the monster I think you're talking about, use your worst physical attacker to attack the tetrakarn for minimal damage. The barrier only works once per casting so you're free to beat on it afterwards.
 
You may want to get back to the strip club and fight some golden hands first, or try to kill the ones in the current dungeon if you can manage it.

For the monster I think you're talking about, use your worst physical attacker to attack the tetrakarn for minimal damage. The barrier only works once per casting so you're free to beat on it afterwards.

ahh makes sense. was trying to tough it out hoping it expired lol.


kinda dope that rise actually kinda does stuff in this game. Does she get new 'perks' more you level up her slink? only got her sometimes getting in the all out attack action.



my fusion life:

- everything cool is 1-2 levels higher than my protag.

:(
 

Caladrius

Member
kinda dope that rise actually kinda does stuff in this game. Does she get new 'perks' more you level up her slink? only got her sometimes getting in the all out attack action.

Yes. You'll eventually get full radar capabilities and an automatic weakness scan on one enemy. Her January event (available if you completed her S, Link, all the party members get them too) upgrades her persona and gives you full enemy information at the start of battle even if you never fought them before. Her all out attack can also be upgraded should you decide to take bike trips with her. (Not worth it IMO, you're going to want to max as many links as possible)
 
Yes. You'll eventually get full radar capabilities and an automatic weakness scan on one enemy. Her January event (available if you completed her S, Link, all the party members get them too) upgrades her persona and gives you full enemy information at the start of battle even if you never fought them before. Her all out attack can also be upgraded should you decide to take bike trips with her. (Not worth it IMO, you're going to want to max as many links as possible)

full radar scan was in the first game right? As in the skill her persona learns at like lvl 40ish?
 

Caladrius

Member
so hear there are 3rd personas for party members now? How does that work? on ps2 you get the first upgrade around end game.

The first upgrade is given when you complete a party members' social link.
The second one is given during the 2nd half of January. The party members who have maxed links will ask you to hang out with them again. When you do they'll upgrade their Persona, which can learn a (usually) powerful new move and will gain an immunity

As a side note, do Naoto's social link and get her first 2 bike skills the first chance you get. Her skillset in Golden becomes incredible (Can learn spells from every element, Heat Riser and a bunch of other stuff) and her Ultimate persona skill makes the party completely invincible to one attack, which you'll need for the NG+ boss. (Get a chakra ring though, the skill costs 150SP). She is literally the most useful party member in the game now.
 
seems like all the party members past the original 4 are good now (well maybe not teddy lol).


btw: i took a break from when this came out... where do you get fishing bait? Also i assume there is bug catching in this? There is a kid at the shrine talking about how he lost his net.
 

Caladrius

Member
seems like all the party members past the original 4 are good now (well maybe not teddy lol).


btw: i took a break from when this came out... where do you get fishing bait? Also i assume there is bug catching in this? There is a kid at the shrine talking about how he lost his net.

You have to head to the Shrine at night and talk to the ghostly-looking lady. Also, if you take a bug you've caught to the shiroku store at night and feed the fish, you'll get the fishing hook. take that to the old man and you can start fishing.You use bugs as bait now and certain fish only eat certain bait.

Basically every party setup is usable now, especially since Naoto can fill in any missing niche on your team. (I used her as a Wind/Electric mage with SP regen and Heat riser, my other Regular members were Kanji and Teddie)

Teddie is a good support character and the party's only good Ice Mage. Overshadowed badly by Yukiko in raw Damage output at the end , but he still has nearly every support move under the sun and Dekunda+matarukaja+Marakunda is a boon if you're hunting golden hands or fighting bosses.
 
is there something to trick the rng to spawn more golden hands that i'm not aware of? People seem to recommend training on them enough to make it seem like there is some exploit.
 

Caladrius

Member
is there something to trick the rng to spawn more golden hands that i'm not aware of? People seem to recommend training on them enough to make it seem like there is some exploit.

There isn't a quick, easy way to do it. You just have to keep looking for them. It's been awhile since I last played so take this with a heap of salt, but I do believe they spawn a bit more frequently on some floors than others. If you see them on a floor it may be worthwhile to go back to it once you've killed them.

The way to fight golden hands changes a bit from dungeon to dungeon (their stats and resistances vary heavily) but the most reliable types of skills to use tend to be Physical and Megido family spells (Samael (fusion level 36) is the first persona to use it, at level 39.) You're probably going to want debuffs, break and charge skills to take them down considering they run away if you take too long. If you find that you can't kill them just try to focus your efforts on a single hand. Some experience and money is much better than none.
 

Curufinwe

Member
When should I start fusing personas? I just
rescued Yukiko
and I don't have room for more personas. Also, if I fuse, I loose that persona right. The only way to get it back is through battle and getting the card again right? I noticed you can register them. If I do this can I like buy them back or something?

Your Personas get automatically saved to the compendium when your first acquire them, and you can go into the compendium and overwrite the the most recent version of them before you fuse them. Then you can pay money to get them back later if necessary.

Basically, when you are in dungeons you should be fusing all the Personas you don't really need to make new Personas that you have not encountered yet.

If you will have a long period where you won't be dungeon crawling you should try and have Personas from all of your active S.Links with you because you will get bonus points towards ranking up in the S.Link when you have a matching Persona. So when you spend time with, for example, Yousuke, you will want to have a Magician Persona with you (but it doesn't need to be equipped). This doesn't apply to the Death S.Link character who ranks up every time you visit with them.
 

ST2K

Member
Is there a reasonable way to get Hardcore Risette Fan or do you have to go through the apparent painstaking, arduous process?
 

jello44

Chie is the worst waifu
Is there a reasonable way to get Hardcore Risette Fan or do you have to go through the apparent painstaking, arduous process?

I managed to get it by sheer luck.

But other than that, no, keep scanning, bring low leveled characters/high leveled characters into different areas.
 

ST2K

Member
Ugh. Alright, thanks.

It bugs me that they included a trophy like that. It really sticks out as a poor trophy concept from all the other ones they had.
 
So I just rescued the second person. I'm still a bit confused on how everything interacts. I had to keep dropping personas in the castle dungeon. When should I fuse? I want to really toy with everything but I'm worried I'll fuck something up by accident. Like being in two clubs, what I do at night, etc. Suggestions?
 

Trigger

Member
So I just rescued the second person. I'm still a bit confused on how everything interacts. I had to keep dropping personas in the castle dungeon. When should I fuse? I want to really toy with everything but I'm worried I'll fuck something up by accident. Like being in two clubs, what I do at night, etc. Suggestions?

Experiement and have fun.

RE personae: Feel free to fuse them whenever. You can save them in the compendium if you want to keep a certain skill set combination on one, and they can usually be recovered pretty easily through grinding. You usually want to have all the elements available (all on multiple personae or just one).

RE social links: The game gives you enough time to complete most them easily. Invest in the party members you like and npcs you find interesting. On your first playthrough you don't want to ruin the experience by overthinking it all. You can do a max social link run on a second playthrough. To make the most of your social linking time try to have a corresponding personae in your roster (ie have a Magician persona when meeting with Yosuke).

You really can't fuck anything up.
 

Trigger

Member
how is new game + working ? I'm early october end I have to consider all the stuff I can't finish. So what is carrying over and how ?

Cash, social stats,compendium, unlocked skill cards and weapons, costumes, and the items you gained from max social links scenes carry over. You can't access most of those things until after they come up in the story. Weapon and armors currently equipped as well as items in inventory are lost in the transition to new game+.
 
Cash, social stats,compendium, unlocked skill cards and weapons, costumes, and the items you gained from max social links scenes carry over. You can't access most of those things until after they come up in the story. Weapon and armors currently equipped as well as items in inventory are lost in the transition to new game+.

So... if I want to go for the social link trophy, how do I handle my social stats ? Should I reset them ? (can I even do that ?) Because I already maxed out some of them but I should do all of them in a single playthrough.
 

Astra

Member
So... if I want to go for the social link trophy, how do I handle my social stats ? Should I reset them ? (can I even do that ?) Because I already maxed out some of them but I should do all of them in a single playthrough.

Nah, your social stats are academics, understanding, courage etc.
Your social links will all be reset to zero on the NG+.
 

Caladrius

Member
So... if I want to go for the social link trophy, how do I handle my social stats ? Should I reset them ? (can I even do that ?) Because I already maxed out some of them but I should do all of them in a single playthrough.

NG+ doesn't affect trophies, so you can just keep building up the traits you didn't max out. (There's no way to actually reset them regardless.) The social links are a bit easier to fill out since you don't have to spend time building the traits up.

As a side note, NG+ also allows you to modify the game's difficulty at any time, including damage given/taken and how much money and experience you earn from battle. I don't know if those affect trophies but I don't think the trophies have difficulty requirements so I doubt it.
 

iSnakeTk

Should be put to work in a coal mine.
Just got a Viita. So excited to play this.

Quick question: Start with Persona 4 or 3 ?

I don't know anything about this franchise except that it's a really good JRPG franchise.
 

Astra

Member
Just got a Viita. So excited to play this.

Quick question: Start with Persona 4 or 3 ?

I don't know anything about this franchise except that it's a really good JRPG franchise.

Either/or, you can't go wrong. Keep in mind that Persona 4 improves upon Persona 3 in almost every way, sans story and characters (since that is up to opinion).

Unless you plan on playing Persona 3 Portable, at which point play P4 first, since P3P is a poor introduction to the games.
 
goes up a floor in the highschool kid videogame dungeon. run into a mob head on.

enemy god hands my protagonist doing 500 damage when my guy has around 300ish hp max.


Sure I just started the floor so no biggy but retarded shit like this is what baffles me when people think this is the best game ever.



It's stuff like this that is keeping me from digging into smt4 which someone got me for a gift.
 

Curufinwe

Member
You should have a stronger Persona equipped if you're going to run into enemies and let them get the advantage, preferably one with no weaknesses.

And you should also have one of the Investigation Team up to level 10 by now so that they'll push you out of the way of the first Protagonist-killing attack in a battle.

Shit's going to be a lot more "retarded" in SMT IV.
 
Managed to get ahold of a solid gold edition for retail pricing. Hyped about that. Haven't had a chance to continue playing lately.

Do all the dungeons break down into long corridors with curves? Walking through the castle was boring as fuck. Is it always like this?
 

jello44

Chie is the worst waifu
You should have a stronger Persona equipped if you're going to run into enemies and let them get the advantage, preferably one with no weaknesses.

And you should also have one of the Investigation Team up to level 10 by now so that they'll push you out of the way of the first Protagonist-killing attack in a battle.

Shit's going to be a lot more "retarded" in SMT IV.

Yeah really, SMT IV will bitchslap you into next week.
 
Fuuuuk.

I'm never letting protag hold any persona with any weakness ever again :(

I don't get it. I never really had an issue with p3p or p4.

It's been a while. Maybe I did grind way more back when I was a college kid with too much time.
 
maxed out yukiko, weird so they do 'evolve' at max link in this... I probably should be leveling up my investigation team member's slinks more just for that 'take a fatal blow for me' perk at rank 9.


fuuuck 'weakness scan' for rise at rank 2? That pretty much breaks much of the game o_O

also got null fire on my fav, king frost.

The tides have turned! Time for a comeback!



btw: is the aiya's daughter in the game? I recall her being in the anime, and in the game the restaurant chef is always talking about her.
 

jello44

Chie is the worst waifu
btw: is the aiya's daughter in the game? I recall her being in the anime, and in the game the restaurant chef is always talking about her.

Nah, she isn't.

Every time you go into the restaurant the chef is always "Oh, you just missed her, she went out on a delivery" or something similar.
 
Guys, playing this for the first time (actually first persona game ever!) and really enjoying it so far. It's hard to see a J-RPG with dialogue this good.. so well delivered as well.. Chie cracks me up everytime!
"It's our chance!".. "NO".. "we are not doing it?"

The thing is, I do not want to play reading a freaking guide, so can anyone give me some tips on how to build a strong team naturally? Things like...

Should I focus leveling my personas or just fuse them whenever I can?
What´s the difference between the types (hiero, strengh, magician, fool)?
Should I grind as well? Or does that take away from the game challenge?
Also, is it hard to get the true ending? Do I need a guide for that?


Anyway.. overall tips please..
 

Curufinwe

Member
You should fuse Personas whenever you can because even if you aren't going after the 100% compendium trophy, it pays to have as many of them as possible for creating the strongest fusions down the line. Obviously, you will want to keep your current best Personas around for a while so you can use them in battle, but eventually you will be able to turn them into something better. Also pay attention to your most developed S.Links when it comes to fusing, because the bonus experience you get can make a huge difference.

On Normal you shouldn't have to grind much if at all. Every dungeon gets an extra, optional boss that you should go back and defeat later. If you get to them and they destroy you, just wait till you have gotten to a higher level naturally in a month or so and then go back .

You might need some help to get to the True Ending, but it's not hard and you don't have to do anything specific until December 2011. Come back then if you need help.

If you want to get the epilogue added in P4G you'll need to get the Aeon S.Link to level 10 before Christmas.

I recommend using all 16 save slots.
 

Caladrius

Member
The thing is, I do not want to play reading a freaking guide, so can anyone give me some tips on how to build a strong team naturally? Things like...

Should I focus leveling my personas or just fuse them whenever I can?
What´s the difference between the types (hiero, strengh, magician, fool)?
Should I grind as well? Or does that take away from the game challenge?
Also, is it hard to get the true ending? Do I need a guide for that?

Anyway.. overall tips please..


1. Level them until you get their skills, then fuse them. If you level up your social links as much as you can it takes far less time for them to learn all their skills.

2. The arcanum of a persona determines what social link gives an experience bonus to the persona, and what social link gets a bonus when you start one with them in your stock. There are general stat and skill trends throughout an arcanum, but these aren't necessary to know, especially since Golden lets you pass skills on onto whatever you want.

3.You will need to do some grinding. Golden hands are fantastic for this. They give tons of experience if you can beat them before they run away. Focus your attacks on 1 hand at a time if you find them running away too often. use status buffs to increase your damage output, and abuse Physical, "X Break" and Almighty skills when possible Team setup is the biggest factor for success, but levels will help you fuse better Persona (Or Persona skills, should you need to get them) and give you more HP.

4. You WILL need a guide on your first time playing through. The first branching point (there are 3, as well as a special bad ending condition) for the endings is difficult to get through, and the final one is completely unintuitive.You will also need to complete the aeon social link if you want the best ending.

5a Don't neglect social links, especially those of party members you use often. The exp boost from any arcana is a massive time saver and will get you many useful skills without grinding. Leveling up party member social links also gives them useful new skills and battle perks and will also enable their persona to transform, which will give them new resistances and eventually enable a 2nd transformation that gives them an immunity and an ultimate skill. As a final note, maxing a link gives you an ultimate persona of that particular Arcana. Standout examples come from the Hierophant, empress ( those 2 are hard to do first time though) Devil, Chariot, Hermit, fortune and Tower

5b. Level up the hermit link, it helps tremendously. SP regeneration is much cheaper the higher it is You will probably need a guide to do it though.

5c.The Death social links doesn't require a matching persona to help advance it. Yay.

5d Getting all the social links on your first playthrough is almost impossible and would probably ruin the game for you. Don't sweat them too much.

5e. Build up your social stats (courage, understanding, etc.) frequently, and I do mean frequently. Some social links can't be started or advanced without high enough stats, and maxed out stats will help immensely on a 2nd playthrough.

5f. Be mindful of your team setup. Give your party members specific roles and pay attention to their strengths. Any party member (especially the one from september) is viable on a team as long as you understand how they're going to fit on the team and you have a firm idea of what they should do.

5g. This game is fairly tough, like all games under the Shin Megami Tensei umbrella. Don't give up and take every defeat as a learning experience.
 
You should fuse Personas whenever you can because even if you aren't going after the 100% compendium trophy, it pays to have as many of them as possible for creating the strongest fusions down the line. Obviously, you will want to keep your current best Personas around for a while so you can use them in battle, but eventually you will be able to turn them into something better. Also pay attention to your most developed S.Links when it comes to fusing, because the bonus experience you get can make a huge difference.

On Normal you shouldn't have to grind much if at all. Every dungeon gets an extra, optional boss that you should go back and defeat later. If you get to them and they destroy you, just wait till you have gotten to a higher level naturally in a month or so and then go back .

You might need some help to get to the True Ending, but it's not hard and you don't have to do anything specific until December 2011. Come back then if you need help.

If you want to get the epilogue added in P4G you'll need to get the Aeon S.Link to level 10 before Christmas.

I recommend using all 16 save slots.

for what?


aeon link is marie right?
 
You should fuse Personas whenever you can because even if you aren't going after the 100% compendium trophy, it pays to have as many of them as possible for creating the strongest fusions down the line. Obviously, you will want to keep your current best Personas around for a while so you can use them in battle, but eventually you will be able to turn them into something better. Also pay attention to your most developed S.Links when it comes to fusing, because the bonus experience you get can make a huge difference.

On Normal you shouldn't have to grind much if at all. Every dungeon gets an extra, optional boss that you should go back and defeat later. If you get to them and they destroy you, just wait till you have gotten to a higher level naturally in a month or so and then go back .

You might need some help to get to the True Ending, but it's not hard and you don't have to do anything specific until December 2011. Come back then if you need help.

If you want to get the epilogue added in P4G you'll need to get the Aeon S.Link to level 10 before Christmas.


I recommend using all 16 save slots.

So if I play normally and get a guide early december I can still get the "true ending"? If so, that's ok...

Plus, how am I supposed to use 16 save slots?! lol...
 
1. Level them until you get their skills, then fuse them. If you level up your social links as much as you can it takes far less time for them to learn all their skills.

2. The arcanum of a persona determines what social link gives an experience bonus to the persona, and what social link gets a bonus when you start one with them in your stock. There are general stat and skill trends throughout an arcanum, but these aren't necessary to know, especially since Golden lets you pass skills on onto whatever you want.

3.You will need to do some grinding. Golden hands are fantastic for this. They give tons of experience if you can beat them before they run away. Focus your attacks on 1 hand at a time if you find them running away too often. use status buffs to increase your damage output, and abuse Physical, "X Break" and Almighty skills when possible Team setup is the biggest factor for success, but levels will help you fuse better Persona (Or Persona skills, should you need to get them) and give you more HP.

4. You WILL need a guide on your first time playing through. The first branching point (there are 3, as well as a special bad ending condition) for the endings is difficult to get through, and the final one is completely unintuitive.You will also need to complete the aeon social link if you want the best ending.

5a Don't neglect social links, especially those of party members you use often. The exp boost from any arcana is a massive time saver and will get you many useful skills without grinding. Leveling up party member social links also gives them useful new skills and battle perks and will also enable their persona to transform, which will give them new resistances and eventually enable a 2nd transformation that gives them an immunity and an ultimate skill. As a final note, maxing a link gives you an ultimate persona of that particular Arcana. Standout examples come from the Hierophant, empress ( those 2 are hard to do first time though) Devil, Chariot, Hermit, fortune and Tower

5b. Level up the hermit link, it helps tremendously. SP regeneration is much cheaper the higher it is You will probably need a guide to do it though.

5c.The Death social links doesn't require a matching persona to help advance it. Yay.

5d Getting all the social links on your first playthrough is almost impossible and would probably ruin the game for you. Don't sweat them too much.

5e. Build up your social stats (courage, understanding, etc.) frequently, and I do mean frequently. Some social links can't be started or advanced without high enough stats, and maxed out stats will help immensely on a 2nd playthrough.

5f. Be mindful of your team setup. Give your party members specific roles and pay attention to their strengths. Any party member (especially the one from september) is viable on a team as long as you understand how they're going to fit on the team and you have a firm idea of what they should do.

5g. This game is fairly tough, like all games under the Shin Megami Tensei umbrella. Don't give up and take every defeat as a learning experience.

I can feel these are great tips, but they have a lot of the concepts I still don't know about. Let's hope the game explain them well enough so I can come back and understand the awesomeness of this post.

I hope to one day platinum this game, but I like playing J-RPGs, I don't mind playing it 2, 3 or even 4 times.
I might play the first time without worries and them get a guide for the second playthrough.
 
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