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[KeioSquad2]

Chances are, anyone that bought a PS3 for JRPGs was already a fan of Atlus.

Which is all the more upsetting, considering how this gen turned out.

 

[KeioSquad2]

Why do you say that? Or is this a veiled dig?

Considering that the persona series began on PS hardware, People looking to buy the ps3 when it launched could have possibly believed that their favorite series might see it's continuation on the PS3.

It's only logical. No one could have perceived how mishmash this gen turned out........

 

[Hypereides]

Why do you say that? Or is this a veiled dig?

While its not necessarily true, there is however a large stream of niche JRPGs & SPRGs headed/released for the PS3. Besides most Atlus fans are niche gamers.

Taking that into consideration it actually may hold some grain of truth to it.

 

[Femmeworth]

Look I know this is a topic about Persona 5 and where it will finally end up (HD consoles, or PS3 exclusive is a safe bet) but all this "DS is the successor to PS2" talk is a little off base.

As great as the DS is (and I think The World Ends With You is one of the best games I've ever played on any system) it still doesnt fill the void left by the PS2. I've enjoyed the FF3 and FF4 ports, Dragon Quest Rocket Slime was brilliant (and vastly underappreciated) and let's not forget the countless NSMB, Mario Kart's, Professor Layton, Ouendan, etc. that have made the platform so great.

Even still, (and read this next part carefully because it's important) the DS comes up short as a compelling visual, auditory and ergonomic gameplay experience for most adults. A 3.25 inch screen with N64'ish visual fidelity and a worse audio chip than the Super Nintendo do not measure up to the PS2. And let's not even try and compare the DS's d-pad and buttons to a Dual Shock 2!

Dont get me wrong. I enjoy my DSi quite alot! I'm not hating on the DS at all. But it's no PS2 people. Ok, carry on and sorry about the derail!

That's what bugs me the most about the DS. I really wish they will make the next DS wider and more ergonomic, though it's probably going to be even more compact. :\

 

[ShockingAlberto]

And let's not even try and compare the DS's d-pad and buttons to a Dual Shock 2!

Yeah, that wouldn't be very fair to the PS2.

 

[Gorgon]

Chances are, anyone that bought a PS3 for JRPGs was already a fan of Atlus.

Who says they need to have bought a PS3 for JRPGs? I dislike JRPGs and I really like the Megaten games. More, my first console was a PS3, not even a PS2.

The chances to get some new blood into Megaten are always open.

 

[Gravijah]

JRPGs are a niche genre. Atlus caters to niche gamers, in the past mostly aimed at the PS2 and such. I'd say most people buying a PS3 for JRPGs were already fans of Atlus, and expected support from them and other niche companies.

Who says they need to have bought a PS3 for JRPGs? I dislike JRPGs and I really like the Megaten games. More, my first console was a PS3, not even a PS2.

The chances to get some new blood into Megaten are always open.

I didn't say that, I'm just saying, most people who WOULD be Atlus fans, already are. Sure, they can always gain new fans, but it's not going to be much.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Well, in 2006 I advocated it because it'd be cheaper and still deliver everything Megaten is known for (it hardly being a presentation-intensive series), because I didn't want Atlus to fall into the HD trap that's knocking devs off left and right these days. Nowadays I don't see much reason for it anymore.

Pretty much.

I mean the Megaten series usually performs the, what I like to call, "SNK Syndrome" where the first game on a new significant hardware uses a bunch of new assets and they keep reusing those same assets throughout the generation.

However last generation they got through with it from a check from Microsoft, this generation they are all alone in a tidal wave of increased development costs.

Go Wii? Too late? Too risky.

Go DS? Will the hardcore fanbase accept a "handheld"?

Decisions decisions.

Nope. Up to you if you want to believe me. :lol

I clearly remember someone posting a list of LTD game sales for many kinda recent games in an NPD thread. I can't seem to find it but I think Persona was around 70 to 85k.

Square Enix has no problem doing it.

Which is my point.

Other than them, a lot of devs aren't just putting their eggs in one basket this generation. Instead, they're throwing their eggs all over the damn place and are fine if one ends up in the sink or dryer. Another reason I hate this gen is the fanbases for multiple genres are split.

This again proves my point...whose side are you on anyway?

 

[Aeana]

JRPGs are a niche genre. Atlus caters to niche gamers, in the past mostly aimed at the PS2 and such. I'd say most people buying a PS3 for JRPGs were already fans of Atlus, and expected support from them and other niche companies.

There's no reason for Atlus fans to have a PS3 already, as there are no Atlus games on the console. And while there are a few Japanese RPGs, it's certainly not wealthy with those, either. It's silly to buy consoles for potential games that may or may not ever exist.

 

[Gravijah]

There's no reason for Atlus fans to have a PS3 already, as there are no Atlus games on the console. And while there are a few Japanese RPGs, it's certainly not wealthy with those, either. It's silly to buy consoles for potential games that may or may not ever exist.

It may be silly, but that's just how gamers work. Besides, I'm sure a great deal were excited for Shin Megami Tensei PS3 or whatevs.

Edit: Speaking about the early stages and early adopters, here.

 

[duckroll]

Even still, (and read this next part carefully because it's important) the DS comes up short as a compelling visual, auditory and ergonomic gameplay experience for most adults.

Yes, the DS is a portable which does not provide a compelling visual, audio or ergonomic gameplay experience for most adults. This is why Atlus has decided to put SMT Strange Journey on the DS. A title which they specifically state on the blog is targeted towards adult gamers and adult fans of the megaten series.

 

[charlequin]

all this "DS is the successor to PS2" talk is a little off base.

You're right. If Nintendo drags out its lifespan long enough, the DS has a good chance of coming out better than the PS2.

This is pure speculation ..but does anyone think that the PS3's lack of any jRPGs (compared to the 360) be a draw for Atlus?

Why on Earth would that be a draw? The Wii is already a great example of what happens to games that release on systems that haven't built up a market for the genre in question -- i.e. they crater. If anything, I'd guess the appeal of the PS2 was that (unlike all three home consoles) it wasn't basically a gimpy gimp in the Japanese sales arena and already had a proven RPG fanbase on it, so sticking it out there was better than risking failure on any one of three bad options.

Considering that the persona series began on PS hardware

I've still never understood the magical thinking that leads to this statement. "The last Persona game was on the PS3's predecessor," sure, that makes sense; why does it matter where it started? Should I expect the next FF for the Wii because the series started on Nintendo hardware?

 

[KeioSquad2]

There's no reason for Atlus fans to have a PS3 already, as there are no Atlus games on the console. And while there are a few Japanese RPGs, it's certainly not wealthy with those, either. It's silly to buy consoles for potential games that may or may not ever exist.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. So people who have only known nintendo or snes, or any nintendo system should not buy the new nintendo because it's wrong to think that a new mario might come out on the new one!?

Certain people have certain expectations when they support a company that has reliably put out a certain series on the same family of hardware. It's never wrong to expect or entertain the thought that it would continue to be so.

 

[Gravijah]

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. So people who have only known nintendo or snes, or any nintendo system should not buy the new nintendo because it's wrong to think that a new mario might come out on the new one!?

Certain people have certain expectations when they support a company that has reliably put out a certain series on the same family of hardware. It's never wrong to expect or entertain the thought that it would continue to be so.

I'm pretty sure that point was towards things like third parties and such. First party is a different story.

 

[Prime crotch]

If Devil Survivor was a good bet I'm sure Persona 5 for the DS is not out of the question, the same audience for both is there if so.

 

[KeioSquad2]

You're right. If Nintendo drags out its lifespan long enough, the DS has a good chance of coming out better than the PS2.



Why on Earth would that be a draw? The Wii is already a great example of what happens to games that release on systems that haven't built up a market for the genre in question -- i.e. they crater. If anything, I'd guess the appeal of the PS2 was that (unlike all three home consoles) it wasn't basically a gimpy gimp in the Japanese sales arena and already had a proven RPG fanbase on it, so sticking it out there was better than risking failure on any one of three bad options.



I've still never understood the magical thinking that leads to this statement. "The last Persona game was on the PS3's predecessor," sure, that makes sense; why does it matter where it started? Should I expect the next FF for the Wii because the series started on Nintendo hardware?

No, if you were smart you think that for ten years nothing has changed so why would it now? The thing is, this gen has not been logical at all. It's ridiculous if you think that your favorite series would appear on another system just because....

 

[charlequin]

I clearly remember someone posting a list of LTD game sales for many kinda recent games in an NPD thread. I can't seem to find it but I think Persona was around 70 to 85k.

Well, like I said, do you believe me? :lol If you did, that would certainly suggest that the recent Persona games were selling more than 80k in the US.

It may be silly, but that's just how gamers work.

It's certainly how GAF works, but I'm not sure any habit that encourages people to plant a flag on one particular system and then whinge uncontrollably when the PS3/360/Wii/nGage didn't get the game they wanted is really to anyone's particular benefit.

Yes, the DS is a portable which does not provide a compelling visual, audio or ergonomic gameplay experience for most adults. This is why Atlus has decided to put SMT Strange Journey on the DS. A title which they specifically state on the blog is targeted towards adult gamers and adult fans of the megaten series.

It's also why I keep hearing about grown men wandering in to traffic or bumping into other pedestrians because they're too caught up in DQIX, I'm sure. :lol

No, if you were smart you think that for ten years nothing has changed so why would it now?

I don't know... is there anything that was true of the PSX and PS2 that isn't true of the PS3? Something that rhymes with "bark at feeder" perhaps?

Series move around between platforms all the time. I know that's still a new experience for anyone who entered console gaming on a PlayStation console, but it's certainly something I've seen enough that I've tried to avoid "assuming" where any third-party franchise will go after a generation gap.

 

[duckroll]

If Devil Survivor was a good bet I'm sure Persona 5 for the DS is not out of the question, the same audience for both is there if so.

Huh? What are you trying to say? Devil Survivor is nothing like Persona.

 

[KeioSquad2]

I'm pretty sure that point was towards things like third parties and such. First party is a different story.

No not really........ There is such a thing as loyalty, and best business practice. Look at insomniac - they still are one great example of a third party that stayed loyal, remember Sony does not own them.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. So people who have only known nintendo or snes, or any nintendo system should not buy the new nintendo because it's wrong to think that a new mario might come out on the new one!?

Certain people have certain expectations when they support a company that has reliably put out a certain series on the same family of hardware. It's never wrong to expect or entertain the thought that it would continue to be so.

There's a huge difference between first party games and third party games.

Buying a Nintendo console on the expectation of Mario, Zelda and Pokemon makes a good degree of sense, as you can be sure that Nintendo is going to release those games.

But third party games are a different beast. Buying a PS3 because you expect MegaTen games wouldn't be the most logical thing to do. After all, there's no guarantee that the franchise will continue to be on the PS line. Imagine how someone who bought a PS3 because they expected Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter would feel right now.

No not really........ There is such a thing as loyalty, and best business practice. Look at insomniac - they still are one great example of a third party that stayed loyal, remember Sony does not own them.

Well, Atlus has released games for the DS and the Wii already, so this would hardly be a case like Insomniac. Atlus has never been a developer that worked exclusively with Sony. They didn't even start with Sony platforms.

 

[Paracelsus]

[/B]

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. So people who have only known nintendo or snes, or any nintendo system should not buy the new nintendo because it's wrong to think that a new mario might come out on the new one!?

Mario is a Nintendo IP, SMT is not a Sony IP.

Why on Earth would that be a draw? The Wii is already a great example of what happens to games that release on systems that haven't built up a market for the genre in question -- i.e. they crater.

So much for generalizing.

I'd guess the appeal of the PS2 was that (unlike all three home consoles) it wasn't basically a gimpy gimp in the Japanese sales arena and already had a proven RPG fanbase on it, so sticking it out there was better than risking failure on any one of three bad options.

I'd say Atlus was smart enough to let S-E and Namco do the guinea piggies role, to see where they could put their games and where they could not. Going by what happened so far it's either one of the portables or PS360.

 

[Gravijah]

No not really........ There is such a thing as loyalty, and best business practice. Look at insomniac - they still are one great example of a third party that stayed loyal, remember Sony does not own them.

Loyalty? These are businesses we're talking about here, they do what they feel benefits the company, not live by some honor system that may or may not fuck them in the end.

Edit: And I'm sure Insomniac works exclusively with Sony because it benefits the company, not because of loyalty.

 

[duckroll]

No not really........ There is such a thing as loyalty, and best business practice. Look at insomniac - they still are one great example of a third party that stayed loyal, remember Sony does not own them.

Yeah, you know what? If Sony published and funded the development of all Atlus games, I would be totally inclined to agree with you that Atlus would remain loyal to Playstation consoles.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Loyalty? These are businesses we're talking about here, they do what they feel benefits the company, not live by some honor system that may or may not fuck them in the end.

I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture, etc...

 

[KeioSquad2]

Loyalty? These are businesses we're talking about here, they do what they feel benefits the company, not live by some honor system that may or may not fuck them in the end.

Edit: And I'm sure Insomniac works exclusively with Sony because it benefits the company, not because of loyalty.

Guess you never heard of the old boy network then........look it up, then tell me what you think.....

 

[Kandrick]

No not really........ There is such a thing as loyalty, and best business practice. Look at insomniac - they still are one great example of a third party that stayed loyal, remember Sony does not own them.

Loyalty.... :lol

Its all about the money.

 

[Prime crotch]

Huh? What are you trying to say? Devil Survivor is nothing like Persona.

The look and fell seems to match pretty nicely, sure, not the game mechanics but the whole high school kids+demons aspect to it. Kinda like how Strange Journey is more akin to Nocturne, or so it seems so.

 

[Tamanon]

"Hello power company, do you accept loyalty as payment?"

Atlus isn't loyal to Sony nearly as much as they find the platforms that tend to work best for their games. I still think it'll be PS3, but not out of loyalty, I'm thinking it'll just be a better platform for RPGs than the Wii.

 

[Aeana]

[/B]

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. So people who have only known nintendo or snes, or any nintendo system should not buy the new nintendo because it's wrong to think that a new mario might come out on the new one!?

Certain people have certain expectations when they support a company that has reliably put out a certain series on the same family of hardware. It's never wrong to expect or entertain the thought that it would continue to be so.

You can't be serious. It's good business to put games on a platform where they will sell. That changes with every generation. Because of this, it's unwise as a consumer to invest in potential, or you might get burned when your favorite developer decides to take its games elsewhere. I'll have to assume you weren't around when Final Fantasy 7 was announced for PlayStation.

And Mario is first party. It will never be on a non-Nintendo console. Ever (unless, for some reason, Nintendo stops making hardware). It's a completely different thing.

"Hello power company, do you accept loyalty as payment?"

Atlus isn't loyal to Sony nearly as much as they find the platforms that tend to work best for their games. I still think it'll be PS3, but not out of loyalty, I'm thinking it'll just be a better platform for RPGs than the Wii.

At this point, I believe it's neither 360 nor PS3. It's both.
Of course, DS and PSP are even better choices.

 

[KeioSquad2]

Loyalty.... :lol

Its all about the money.

Yea and insominac is rolling in it with all their million sellers this gen huh!!?

 

[Prime crotch]

Yea and insominac is rolling in it with all their million sellers this gen huh!!?

Insomniac games are published by Sony, if they're on Sony consoles it's because Sony holds rights on their IPs and they're funded by them.

 

[KeioSquad2]

You can't be serious. It's good business to put games on a platform where they will sell. That changes with every generation. Because of this, it's unwise as a consumer to invest in potential, or you might get burned when your favorite developer decides to take its games elsewhere. I'll have to assume you weren't around when Final Fantasy 7 was announced for PlayStation.

And Mario is first party. It will never be on a non-Nintendo console. Ever (unless, for some reason, Nintendo stops making hardware). It's a completely different thing.

I am serious, and your answer doesn't justify the knowledge that most casual players have beyond the games they play. You really think that someone who likes these games and knows that persona 1 and 2 were on ps1, and person 3 and 4 were on ps2, would not think that 5 and 6 might be on ps3. Sorry, this board may serve 30,000 but in no way does it serve 3,000,000........

 

[Cirekiller]

So i just want to get this straight. Your argument for P5 being on ps3 is because it has no rpgs and that people who own the ps3 are starved for any sort of decent rpg which means they will go out and buy it day 1? While i think this is an interesting theory the majority of people who like rpgs these days(in america) have a 360 because it is the current dominate rpg console. I personally hope its multiplatform so everyone can get a chance to play/praise it without the other defense force coming in and calling the game shit.

No I'm not saying people will go out and buy it day one, I'm saying that people will more likely give it a chance because there are fewer RPGs to compete with. And also I don't think any of the RPG sold particularly well, the 360 just has too many B level jRPGs that you basically have to be a Final Fantasy to stand out amounst all of them, like I said very casual RPG fans (people who buy the system for FF) will probably have never heard of SMT or Persona and will probably overlook it in the pile of RPGs there is on that system. I think Persona 5 (if thats what Atlus releases) has a much better chance of being a bigger hit on PS3 just because of the lack of any competition. I don't really mind if its multiplatform, as you say it will give more people a chance to play it. I don't know if Atlus has the resources to do any ports though, much less simutantiously make games on systems as different to program for as the PS3 and the 360. This is the Persona (or any mainline SMT) team's first attempt at making a game on the current gen consoles, and I want them to make the best game possible, you see alot of bigger developers have trouble with multiplatform RPG releases (SE w/ Last Remnant, ect.), I don't want them getting caught in the same problems that other developers seem to be having in multiplatform releases.

 

[Gravijah]

At this point, I believe it's neither 360 nor PS3. It's both.
Of course, DS and PSP are even better choices.

Why ANY company, moving forward, wouldn't release their games on both the PS3 and 360 baffles me.

 

[Aeana]

I am serious, and your answer doesn't justify the knowledge that most casual players have beyond the games they play. You really think that someone who likes these games and knows that persona 1 and 2 were on ps1, and person 3 and 4 were on ps2, would not think that 5 and 6 might be on ps3. Sorry, this board may serve 30,000 but in no way does it serve 3,000,000........

Final Fantasy 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 were on Nintendo consoles. 7 is totally gonna be on N64.

 

[duckroll]

The look and fell seems to match pretty nicely, sure, not the game mechanics but the whole high school kids+demons aspect to it. Kinda like how Strange Journey is more akin to Nocturne, or so it seems so.

The Persona series is known for several things (aside from the gameplay) in general now. Really good character art, insanely awesome soundtracks, and a really sleek and cool interface. Devil Survivor has the worst art in a Megaten game since SMT NINE, a totally mediocre outsourced soundtrack, and a crappy menu interface. It's also a SRPG, which isn't even the same genre. Also, in Persona there are no demons in your party, only humans, Devil Survivor is all about demons. The storyline is also definitely much closer to SMT games than Persona games.

So no, I don't think there's much cross over there at all. Persona fans who aren't interested in non-Persona megaten games would probably have totally ignored Devil Survivor. In fact, Persona PSP outsold Devil Survivor in Japan, and it's an enhanced port of a 13 year old game. Lol.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Why ANY company, moving forward, wouldn't release their games on both the PS3 and 360 baffles me.

I could see the logic in a niche Japanese game being PS3 exclusive, simply because it might not be worth it to even make an effort with the 360's small userbase in Japan.

Outside of that, however, I don't see much point in it.

 

[Cirekiller]

Yeah, you know what? If Sony published and funded the development of all Atlus games, I would be totally inclined to agree with you that Atlus would remain loyal to Playstation consoles.

If Sony were smart they would fund the Megaten games, on a RPG limited system as the PS3 something like Persona will have a chance to shine.

 

[Gravijah]

I could see the logic in a niche Japanese game being PS3 exclusive, simply because it might not be worth it to even make an effort with the 360's small userbase in Japan.

Outside of that, however, I don't see much point in it.

If there's even a chance of releasing the game overseas, they should release it on the 360 too.

 

[KeioSquad2]

Final Fantasy 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 were on Nintendo consoles. 7 is totally gonna be on N64.

You fail. It was gonna be on 64, until nintendo announced their actual plans for the 64. No one saw that coming, as I'm sure you didn't neither........

 

[Gravijah]

You fail. It was gonna be on 64, until nintendo announced their actual plans for the 64. No one saw that coming, as I'm sure you didn't neither........

Don't you see that's the entire fucking point? THE CONSOLE ITSELF. THE HARDWARE. HOW THEY SELL. NOT THE NAME OF THE COMPANY MAKING IT!

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

If there's even a chance of releasing the game overseas, they should release it on the 360 too.

I was thinking of something that probably would never be released overseas, like a visual novel or something really moe (or an anime game not titled "Naruto", "One Piece" or "Dragon Ball"). In those cases where it's unlikely the game would ever be sold out of Japan, a 360 version probably wouldn't be worth the hassle.

 

[Volcynika]

I am serious, and your answer doesn't justify the knowledge that most casual players have beyond the games they play. You really think that someone who likes these games and knows that persona 1 and 2 were on ps1, and person 3 and 4 were on ps2, would not think that 5 and 6 might be on ps3. Sorry, this board may serve 30,000 but in no way does it serve 3,000,000........

Amusingly enough, the first number is closer to the sales of SMT games over here more than the second one ever will.

 

[kafka rock opera]

No I'm not saying people will go out and buy it day one, I'm saying that people will more likely give it a chance because there are fewer RPGs to compete with. And also I don't think any of the RPG sold particularly well, the 360 just has too many B level jRPGs that you basically have to be a Final Fantasy to stand out amounst all of them, like I said very casual RPG fans (people who buy the system for FF) will probably have never heard of SMT or Persona and will probably overlook it in the pile of RPGs there is on that system. I think Persona 5 (if thats what Atlus releases) has a much better chance of being a bigger hit on PS3 just because of the lack of any competition. I don't really mind if its multiplatform, as you say it will give more people a chance to play it. I don't know if Atlus has the resources to do any ports though, much less simutantiously make games on systems as different to program for as the PS3 and the 360. This is the Persona (or any mainline SMT) team's first attempt at making a game on the current gen consoles, and I want them to make the best game possible, you see alot of bigger developers have trouble with multiplatform RPG releases (SE w/ Last Remnant, ect.), I don't want them getting caught in the same problems that other developers seem to be having in multiplatform releases.

I see what you are saying. But we do have to remember that P5 isnt even announced at this point so we should expect that hte ps3 will have FFXIII and versus at the point where we get a new Persona game. so the playstation will have that triple A rpg to define it. I do hope that they go multi-platform but not at the expense of having a good solid game. So if it needs to be a timed exclusive thats fine too. Ill get to play it eventually either way. I just think its game suicide to not be multi-platform these days. But who knows really this is all just speculation on every ones part.

 

[duckroll]

You fail. It was gonna be on 64, until nintendo announced their actual plans for the 64. No one saw that coming, as I'm sure you didn't neither........

Yeah I guess a lot of games were going to be PS3 games, until Sony announced their actual price for the PS3. No one saw that coming, as I'm sure you didn't either.................. OMG

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

You fail. It was gonna be on 64, until nintendo announced their actual plans for the 64. No one saw that coming, as I'm sure you didn't neither........

Re-read that post. Replace "Nintendo" with "Sony" and "64" with "PS3".

 

[Prime crotch]

You fail. It was gonna be on 64, until nintendo announced their actual plans for the 64. No one saw that coming, as I'm sure you didn't neither........

There never was a Final Fantasy 64, though at this rate there might be, it might have been thought of being done for the N64 but it never was a reality, it started as a PSX project as it remained.

 

[KeioSquad2]

Yeah I guess a lot of games were going to be PS3 games, until Sony announced their actual price for the PS3. No one saw that coming, as I'm sure you didn't either.................. OMG

Nope, To answer the smartasedness I had no Idea sony was going to blow it with the price tag, I did expect that it would be a pain in the ass, to dev on due to the ps2. I also was a sucker for the fact that I never expected to see the 360 be as successful as it has been.......did not expect the wii to light fires under the asses of women, and just like everyone else, screamed holy shit at DQ9 going to the ds.

Sadly though, that does not kill the fact that alot of people had the expectations, or there would have been no upsets!!!

 

[Gravijah]

Nope, To answer the smartasedness I had no Idea sony was going to blow it with the price tag, I did expect that it would be a pain in the ass, due to the ps2. I also was a sucker for the fact that I never expected to see the 360 be as successful as it has been.......did not expect the wii to light fires under the asses of women, and just like everyone else, screamed holy shit at DQ9 going to the ds.

Sadly though, that does not kill the fact that alot of people had the expectations, or there would have been no upsets!!!

That's why you shouldn't expect shit.

 

[KeioSquad2]

There never was a Final Fantasy 64, though at this rate there might be, it might have been thought of being done for the N64 but it never was, it started as a PSX project as it remained.

No but the idea for was at siggraph, and it's been mentioned many times that square dropped the N64 due to the cartridges.