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Drkirby said:
Then they may as well put it on the psp since it'll sell more copies that way. I would love for them to move on to the current generation already.
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Then they may as well put it on the psp since it'll sell more copies that way. I would love for them to move on to the current generation already.
It's kinda interesting to think where they can go.Drkirby said:
They are niche, but they aren't really Shmup niche. So it could end up hurting on something like 360, while benefiting on Wii. PS3 would fall in the middle for the East. It would be kinda pointless in Japan at least for a multi-platform release between PS3/360. Unless they want to assist in the west where PS3 and 360 would reverse.
If there worried about costs, Wii has the most relaxed tech to develop for, while 360 seems to provide the best benefits/support to developers.
If they want to adapt to the "online" game. Not specifically online play but DLC. 360 would end up on the positive side there with Wii falling below and PS3 once again being the middle man.
Or best of all, They can just continue with Handhelds. DS and PSP costing far less to develop for and with far more popularity in the East and West. Could just be an awesome combo for them :lol
KuwabaraTheMan
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The reason I think the Wii would make sense is because it allows them to save costs and reach a fairly wide audience. Plus, they wouldn't really lose anything by going with the Wii, because it's not like the game would have cutting edge graphics on the PS3 or 360.
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Drkirby said:
I think that installed base alone isn't exactely a good reason to launch a game on a system. For example, CoD:WaW sold significantly less on the Wii than on the 360 or PS3, and that with a vastly bigger installed base on the Wii than on any system.
This is just one example, but I'm not realy seying something like SMT:IV (or even Persona) selling more on the Wii than on the 360 or the PS3.
As for international market share, from what I read on some interviews with Atlus I guess that they are starting to pay more attention to the international market, but they are still focusing for the most part on the Japanese market. I think they will give more relevance to the PS3 beying the best bet by far for Japan than the fact that the 360 has a bigger installed base wordwide.
Personaly, in terms of consoles, I think they'll go for PS3 AND 360 or PS3 exclusive (either because of deals with Sony or whatever) but I certainly don't believe for a second that the game(s) will be 360 exclusive, neither do I think that would be a smart choice at all. As for the Wii, it can certainly happen, especially Persona, but Wii exclusivity of the Megaten games on consoles isn't going to happen, IMHO.
As for handhelds, these will continue to get Megaten games for a long time to come. People forget that Megaten games have been released for a long time on portable systems and mobile phones. It just happens that before most of them where released in Japan only.
RurouniZel
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I would perceive them taking a Monster Hunter route. Wii/PS2 first, followed by an upgraded PSP release.
Near said:
Maybe because the game has been out for 5 months in Japan, and Sega has expressed no interest in even mentioning the game anywhere? It only took them 3 months after the JP release to announce World Destruction, and with their early 2010 schedule already containing US versions of World Destruction and Infinite Space, I seriously doubt Sega has any intention of crowding their DS lineup with yet another RPG.
Since the EO series was moderately successful for Atlus, and this is a game from the same director, and Atlus has published several games Sega has passed on in the past, it's not unreasonable to assume that it would not be unusual that Atlus might have a specific interest in said game, and if Sega is too busy to localize it, a change of hands would not be out of the question.
charlequin
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Freyjadour said:
In what way was Atlus burned by this? Atlus got a big chunk of money to bring the series to Xbox, outsourced it to some half-assed developer who didn't even really finish the game, and turned around and used the money to make Nocturne for PS2. :lol
Drkirby said:
Atlus isn't a big company. They can't just dabble around until they find their footing like the bigger publishers can.
(I direct your attention again to the "hiring 360 programmers" announcement above.)
The time that a jump to the Wii would've made the most sense was early on when people were still looking to any announcement to shape the platform's style. In 2009 I find the argument for Wii for a dev like Atlus much less clear-cut.
Certainly if they're paying attention they would notice that the PS3 is much more popular in Japan, the 360 much more popular in the US, and that everyone else is developing PS360 games to make the best possible use of this split.
shintoki said:
The US makes up something like 40-50% of sales for Persona at this point, so.
RurouniZel said:
they have already said they're done with ps2 forever omfg
Crash Station
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charlequin said:
What style? Casual with no RPGs? With Tales of Graces, Monster Hunter 3, Dragon Quest 10, and to some extent Arc Rise Fantasia out/coming out, the Wii seems to be fitting of Persona's style. The generation is really just starting for Wii, so anything could happen.
Segata Sanshiro
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No, no it's not. Three years into a console's life is not the start of the generation for the platform. Particularly when they've sold 52 million of the things. There is an audience on the Wii, it's a pretty big one, and thus far that audience has not been groomed with anything even remotely resembling Megaten. The only one of those games that I'd bet has any overlap at all with SMT is Dragon Quest, and DQX isn't going to be coming out anytime soon.cosmicblizzard said:
I'm not saying Megaten couldn't succeed on the Wii, but there's no reason to think it would.
Crash Station
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Segata Sanshiro said:
This entire generation has barely started, at least for console RPGs. With everyone acknowledging the 8-10 year console cycle, it's understandable that things haven't really kicked off.
And there's no reason to think it would succeed on either of the HD consoles. Where's the SMT overlap there? FF13? Lost Odyssey?
It's been said before in this thread, but if we're talking about established fanbases, the handhelds make the most sense, but it seems iffy if Atlus will go that route.
I like the PS3 and it would be my first platform choice for the game to release on, but I wouldn't be opposed to it coming out on the Wii if Atlus thinks they can get better return with lower costs.
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duckroll said:
Okay, bad example. Though I think it would've done better had it come out after TOG/MH3/DQ10 as the fanbase would've presumably been established after that.
Flying_Phoenix
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People STILL want Megaten on the PS2? Jesus.
Anyway Megaten on the Wii? Well it would be interesting to say the least but why? The Wii only has a market for really hardcore games in the West and so far the nichier RPG Wii games haven't performed well in Japan. I realize that games like Monster Hunter 3 and Tales have found significant success on the platform in Japan but when I think of those games I don't think Megaten.
You gotta link for that?
Anyway Megaten on the Wii? Well it would be interesting to say the least but why? The Wii only has a market for really hardcore games in the West and so far the nichier RPG Wii games haven't performed well in Japan. I realize that games like Monster Hunter 3 and Tales have found significant success on the platform in Japan but when I think of those games I don't think Megaten.
charlequin said:
You gotta link for that?
Segata Sanshiro
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I didn't say word one about the HD consoles. I was only talking about the Wii.cosmicblizzard said:
And I'm sorry, but that 10 year console lifespan thing is still garbage in my opinion. There is no way the PS3 and 360 are going to survive that long given they've both already peaked, and Nintendo will be forced to follow once they go. Even if we did see a life cycle of 8-10 years, 33% into a lifespan is not the beginning by any measure.
Flying_Phoenix
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Personally I think Nintendo is experimenting with small bit by bit updates as they modestly upgrade the hardware and overtime it replaces it and so does the software (quietly though). Like the DSi for example.
cosmicblizzard said:
But if Persona goes to the Wii so do the Megaten console games. Atlus isn't foolish enough to split their fanbase.
Crash Station
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Segata Sanshiro said:
They may have peaked/are close to peaking in graphics and hardware capabilities, but E3 has shown they're willing to stretch this generation out for a piece of Nintendo's motion controlled fanbase. Yeah, we haven't really seen much from either Natal or the wand and there's the possibility neither will take off, but it would be weird if they just introduced another console 1-2 years after some "revolutionary" peripherals unless they failed hard.
And you're right, 33% is not the beginning. I and apparently many other people have just been trying to convince ourselves this generation hasn't really started since it's kind of sucked so far.
duckroll said:
Damn, I guess I am. Ugh, I really hate this gen.
Crash Station
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Square Enix has no problem doing it. Other than them, a lot of devs aren't just putting their eggs in one basket this generation. Instead, they're throwing their eggs all over the damn place and are fine if one ends up in the sink or dryer. Another reason I hate this gen is the fanbases for multiple genres are split.
Dragona Akehi
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cosmicblizzard said:
Nah, this gen rocks. It has the DS and the PSP.
cosmicblizzard said:
What about Nippon-Ichi? They've taken a pretty.... interesting direction. They release all their "real" games on the PSP and PS3. While the DS and Wii get really sad ports and shit that no one generally wants. Strangely enough, that strategy seems to work for them! What does that mean?
charlequin
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Well, in 2006 I advocated it because it'd be cheaper and still deliver everything Megaten is known for (it hardly being a presentation-intensive series), because I didn't want Atlus to fall into the HD trap that's knocking devs off left and right these days. Nowadays I don't see much reason for it anymore.
Nope. Up to you if you want to believe me. :lol
cosmicblizzard said:
That's certainly worked out awesome for Namco.
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Dragona Akehi said:
I will second the DS=PS2 of this gen statement anytime, but I never have the motivation to play handhelds for more than an hour. I remember back in the day, I played FF7 for 10 hours straight. The only game in the last 5 or so years I've been able to do that with are Persona 4 and Little King's Story. I guess I'm just a retro gamer :/
duckroll said:
Just one more dev that has no idea where to throw their eggs, so they do it blindfolded :lol
If it works for them, then who am I to judge? I am looking forward to Atelier Rorona though. Hopefully that gets localized.
Segata Sanshiro
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Nah, I mean their sales have peaked. Which they have. Probably the Wii's sales have peaked as well, actually. For as much as the hardware manufacturers are going to fight it tooth and nail, I don't think this generation is going to stretch out longer than one or two years more than usual. The market just isn't going to allow it.cosmicblizzard said:
duckroll said:But it -is- exclusive to consoles amirite!
I'm still so surprised people are reluctant to acknowledge the DS's awesomeness. It's like going through last gen with out a PS2. For what consoles have lacked this generation, DS has been making it up in folds.
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Oh, okay that makes more sense. I still don't know if I agree with it though. I know Sony and Microsoft are expecting their motion devices to revitalize sales but I don't expect that to happen. Wii is still selling at a consistent rate but there probably isn't anything software wise anymore that will give it a quick boost. Of course, the fact they haven't had a price drop yet is one of the reasons that makes me think this gen is far from over as that could potentially lead to a nice increase.
And one or two years more than usual could still end up being 8 years if we consider a normal gen to be 5-6. I'm expecting to see new hardware around the 8 year mark but this generation still being supported. Afterall, PS2 is in it's 10th year.
Segata Sanshiro
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I think all three of the systems have seen their best year of sales. And yeah, the Wii is probably going to see support after its successor is out, but I really feel that once the new systems are released, an older system isn't likely to curry any *new* support it didn't already have, so those post-next gen years aren't really salient to the discussion.cosmicblizzard said:
This is all pretty well moot though. We know Atlus already hired people to work on games for the HD systems, we know that as a matter of economics, the system where their first game lands will also be where the subsequent cousin-titles land, and so by some simple logic, we can pretty reasonably deduce that Persona 5 is going to be for the HD consoles. It's just a matter of whether it's the game they are working on *now*.
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duckroll said:
Heeeyyyy..... I want a witch's tale.
Magnus_Bulla
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Hmm, interesting. That makes me think that it has to be on PS3 then. It would only make sense that if there was going to be a Wii version that it would also be on PS2. The fact that they're totally discounting PS2 as a potential platform makes me think it's a no-go on the Wii as well.Aeana said:
Look I know this is a topic about Persona 5 and where it will finally end up (HD consoles, or PS3 exclusive is a safe bet) but all this "DS is the successor to PS2" talk is a little off base.
As great as the DS is (and I think The World Ends With You is one of the best games I've ever played on any system) it still doesnt fill the void left by the PS2. I've enjoyed the FF3 and FF4 ports, Dragon Quest Rocket Slime was brilliant (and vastly underappreciated) and let's not forget the countless NSMB, Mario Kart's, Professor Layton, Ouendan, etc. that have made the platform so great.
Even still, (and read this next part carefully because it's important) the DS comes up short as a compelling visual, auditory and ergonomic gameplay experience for most adults. A 3.25 inch screen with N64'ish visual fidelity and a worse audio chip than the Super Nintendo do not measure up to the PS2. And let's not even try and compare the DS's d-pad and buttons to a Dual Shock 2!
Dont get me wrong. I enjoy my DSi quite alot! I'm not hating on the DS at all. But it's no PS2 people. Ok, carry on and sorry about the derail!
As great as the DS is (and I think The World Ends With You is one of the best games I've ever played on any system) it still doesnt fill the void left by the PS2. I've enjoyed the FF3 and FF4 ports, Dragon Quest Rocket Slime was brilliant (and vastly underappreciated) and let's not forget the countless NSMB, Mario Kart's, Professor Layton, Ouendan, etc. that have made the platform so great.
Even still, (and read this next part carefully because it's important) the DS comes up short as a compelling visual, auditory and ergonomic gameplay experience for most adults. A 3.25 inch screen with N64'ish visual fidelity and a worse audio chip than the Super Nintendo do not measure up to the PS2. And let's not even try and compare the DS's d-pad and buttons to a Dual Shock 2!
Dont get me wrong. I enjoy my DSi quite alot! I'm not hating on the DS at all. But it's no PS2 people. Ok, carry on and sorry about the derail!
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matmanx1 said:
I agree wholeheartedly. This successor talk is usually just referring to the software, not presentation or anything like that. It's nice to have gaming on the go, but sitting in front of a 60 inch hd tv (no I do not have one) as you become immersed in an epic adventure is hard to beat. I don't want to be one of those guys saying "graphics r everything, sprites r teh suxor" but it is nice to see what technology can do nowadays in terms of visuals and sound.
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matmanx1 said:
Yea, This statement couldn't be more wrong.............
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Cirekiller
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This is pure speculation ..but does anyone think that the PS3's lack of any jRPGs (compared to the 360) be a draw for Atlus? The PS3 has very few jRPGs so any RPG fan would probably be starving for a good one (last jRPG was VC right?), whereas on 360 you have lots of mediocre/decent jRPGs, not gonna bother listing them, so when a casual RPG fan walks into gamestop or searches for RPGs on Amazon they see a fairly big list, someone whose never heard of Megaten games isn't going to go for that over SO4, if they want a RPG fix.
This lack of any competition, except for FFXIII (and if anyone at Atlus has a brain stem they would stay at least 6 months away from that beast), people who've bought that will probably want another RPG (FFXIII may bring a bunch of casual gamers onto the platform) they will probably only find maybe 3-4 others.
This could give them a reason to say "ugh, why do they have no RPGs" but also gives them a chance to see Persona 5 and maybe become interested in it from never hearing about it before. This is what happened to me back in 2007 when there were literally no RPGs coming out, since I wanted (needed?) to play one I went on gametrailers and started looking at random ones, after watching the P3 trailer I was completely sold on the art style, music, and the dating sim/dungeon crawling aspect of it.
Two years later, I have P3, P3FES, P4, DDS 1+2, have Persona PSP on preorder, and probably picking up Nocturne in the near future.
This lack of any competition, except for FFXIII (and if anyone at Atlus has a brain stem they would stay at least 6 months away from that beast), people who've bought that will probably want another RPG (FFXIII may bring a bunch of casual gamers onto the platform) they will probably only find maybe 3-4 others.
This could give them a reason to say "ugh, why do they have no RPGs" but also gives them a chance to see Persona 5 and maybe become interested in it from never hearing about it before. This is what happened to me back in 2007 when there were literally no RPGs coming out, since I wanted (needed?) to play one I went on gametrailers and started looking at random ones, after watching the P3 trailer I was completely sold on the art style, music, and the dating sim/dungeon crawling aspect of it.
Two years later, I have P3, P3FES, P4, DDS 1+2, have Persona PSP on preorder, and probably picking up Nocturne in the near future.
Magnus_Bulla
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Sounds to me like he's just saying that as a handheld the DS is great, however it it still nowhere close to an engrossing console experience. Which I totally agree with.Kandrick said:
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Paracelsus said:
You post might make sense if I said "Persona 5 being exclusive to PS3 is as about as likely as entering a lottery with two other people and winning". When I mentioned lottery I meant the kind where you have 1 in <insert large ridiculous number here> chance of winning. And the chances of this being a PS3 exclusive are pretty close to zilch.
kafka rock opera
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So i just want to get this straight. Your argument for P5 being on ps3 is because it has no rpgs and that people who own the ps3 are starved for any sort of decent rpg which means they will go out and buy it day 1? While i think this is an interesting theory the majority of people who like rpgs these days(in america) have a 360 because it is the current dominate rpg console. I personally hope its multiplatform so everyone can get a chance to play/praise it without the other defense force coming in and calling the game shit.Cirekiller said:
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