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Persona 5 |OT| Lupin The Fifth. Label spoilers properly! (see post #4621)
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How could I have been doing it regularly when I only have enough time to do one thing each day? Playing on Hard might be contributing to the problem here - I had to keep chiseling at the Palace over several days due to running out of SP and barely had any free time afterwards.
Kain-Nosgoth
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yeah i'll do that, it's just that... i dunno, even if the twist is CRAZY GOOD, it's hard to forget 100 hours of nothing really interesting happening (at least to me)
i didn't felt engaged like the previous persona games! Sure you don't need to be chased to have a good plot, i fully agree with you on that! The game is still amazing of course, one of the best out there, but i excepted more from the plot during the WHOLE game, not just at the end!
At least your comment reassures me, i'll probably finish it tomorrow! (i know it's dumb to judge a game like that, but when you have too much exceptations, it will do that to you, haha)
Like I said, just finish the game. If I say anything or even hint at anything I'll be spoiling stuff so I'll just ask you to play the thing before coming to conclusions like that afterall you are not at the end.
CrichtonKicks
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I didn't think P4 had any sense of threat until almost the end of the game. Despite the game being focused on a murder mystery it was about as non-threatening and bloodless as an episode of "Murder She Wrote".
My knowledge was at 2 for the first one. I guess the optimal route requires you to sacrifice that.
Hard mode would probably be the contributing factor. On Normal, I just had enough to level up my knowledge to 2 before the first exams hit. I went to the diner a lot.
Of course you're not, I feel that a lot of people have been saying this. Including me.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I totally disagree. I was consistently engaged from beginning to end. It's insane how a 90 hour game managed to be so interesting for such a long period of time.
I liked Persona 2, but it was a bit too dark for me.
Oh, and (no explicit spoilers, but read at your own peril)
the twist isn't the twist, it's meant to be obvious as a red herring. There are layers beyond who sold you out at the beginning.
I donno previous Persona games have shit RNG dungeons which were just palatte swaps of each others which I wanted to get out of, that's pretty big misfire for me when it comes to something being engaging. Here I keep coming back because I want to see the dungeons and the story specific to the dungeons.
Your engagement should be determined by what the game is offering as a whole rather than a single main plot thread..which you haven't finished yet. The individual plot specific to each dungeons are good to keep you engaged until the next one pops up. Previous games didn't really have this done properly as the dungeons themselves had no character and that's why you probably needed a main thread to keep you engaged.
Kain-Nosgoth
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the saddest thing to me is that almost nobody talks about P2, haha
i was just talking about the story! In term of gameplay, dungeons, and style, persona 5 do EVERYTHING better, no doubt about it
Can't really compare them like that because P2 is dramatically different in structure from P3/P4/P5.
I already preferred the characters in P2 to those in P4.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
IS/EP were fantastic but I prefer the series from P3 onwards. I just love how unique the formula is.
No, you're right. It's way better on every single front.
P4G is one of my favorite games of all time, but P5 easily blows past it.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Almost 30 hours in, game simply took the ps4 hostage since launch. A rare sight these days.
CrichtonKicks
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Are you studying at the diner and the cafe on rainy days? You get extra knowledge for doing so.
I was able to get score in the Top Half for the first exam playing on hard. And Top Ten results for the second exams.
I would kill for proper remakes for IS/EP that go a lot farther than the Vita versions. I don't need S. Links or anything. Just proper dungeon design and a snappier combat system.
OniBarubary
Banned
Yeah, I think it's because most of the knowledge requirement stuff is later on and earlier you can raise the other ones faster as well as unlock confidant stuff with lower levels of stuff like Kindness and Guts and Charm.
I forget, that was over like 80 hours ago lol
Dangansona
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So far Persona 5 does seem to be better on nearly all fronts yes. There might be a few things I prefer about 3 though... we'll have to see.
At the moment (I'm just after the third dungeon) I think I slightly prefer the overall story in 3 and I feel like all the cast cares about is being Phantom Thieves. Can we talk about something else please?
Sometime this year I will revisit P2. I think I played like a hour or two but the random encounters were killing my vibe.
At the moment (I'm just after the third dungeon) I think I slightly prefer the overall story in 3 and I feel like all the cast cares about is being Phantom Thieves. Can we talk about something else please?
Sometime this year I will revisit P2. I think I played like a hour or two but the random encounters were killing my vibe.
Shouta
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I'm pretty sure there have been bloodier episodes of Murder, She Wrote...
Don't feel that way, the game kinda force you into new game+ if you don't check any guide.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Well, starting with P3, it pretty much became an entirely different series.
I loved Innocent Sin on PSP for what it's worth, I thought the story was fantastic. Maya, Tatsuya, Ginko, Michel... Best Persona team imo. The gameplay has not aged well though, and that's being generous.
I've never been able to go past the first couple hours of Persona 1.
Kain-Nosgoth
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just play it in very easy or with cheats, and do it for the story! It's still the best for me, even if i love P3 and P4
that's all i want to say really, persona kept evolving in a good way in term of gameplay and design, P5 is proof of that, but the characters and story and P2 are the best coming from an atlus RPG to me!
Coolbgdog12
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No you're not. I think P5 blew P4G away but P4G was one of my favorite games of all time last gen.
It's just that those who feel like P5 isn't completely better will be more vocal. I expected this because it's nigh on impossible to have everyone happy with a different game.
Spinosaurus
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Same voice actor as Char in both Japanese and English too. It's intentional lol.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Really glad I still have P4G in the backlog.
someone else asked me about this so i took the time to remember what i did
Chi You (absorb psy) x Kali (absorb nuke) = Cu Chulainn (absorb psy and absorb nuke)
Satan (absorb ice) x Ishtar (absorb wind) = Attis (drain wind and drain ice)
Attis (absorb wind and absorb ice) x Anzu = Yatagarasu (absorb win and absorb ice)
Cu Chulainn (absorb psy and absorb nuke) x Dionysus = Futshunushi (absorb nuke, absorb psy, apt pupil, ali dance)
Yatagarasu (absorb wind and absorb ice) x Futshunushi (absorb nuke, absorb psy, apt pupil, ali dance) x Okuninushi x Arahabaki x Shiki-Ouji = Yoshitsune (absorb nuke, absorb psy, absorb wind, absorb ice and apt pupil or ali dance)
replace Brave Blade with Hassou Tobi, keep charge, replace ziodyne with repel curse from Sandalphon via strengthening / save scum. you can switch out ali dance and apt pupil by strengthening with Futshunushi.
I'd say it's better than P4G too - P4G was honestly kind of a mixed bag in terms of additions, and pretty much every positive addition in P4G is present in P5 too.
Also all the hanholding is horrible.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I'd buy a console for that. Actual remakes would be phenomenal. And I'll draw the ire of P1/2 fans but I'd love S-Links too. These are stories worth telling again, with better gameplay in any case. Not that say that the gameplay is bad. I still really love both P2s in their current form.
P1 is way archaic though.
OniBarubary
Banned
*shields eyes* Jesus Christ Horus, I know you're the Sun arcana but for fuck's sake you're gonna burn your image into my TV...
Yeah, Marie felt really shoehorned and almost like a self insert fanfiction character
I'm still very early on in the game, but I feel like it starts very slow. Like, P4 started slow as well, but it felt better to me because it was more story-heavy. The "dungeon" where the game is still holding your hand is like one fight in the liquor store. P5 starts right on the action, but that's only the tone and cutscenes, the game is just as slow and tutorial-heavy. So you have this weird mix of not much going on because it's a dungeon sequence, but you don't get to really do anything because the game won't let you.
I'm about to start what I'm hoping will be the first dungeon crawling sequence with no hand-holding, let's see how it goes.
And Ryuji is a complete idiot. Please just shut up and stop saying you didn't understand everything.
Again, I'm still veeeeery early, so I know everything can change, but P4 had me hooked before.
I'm about to start what I'm hoping will be the first dungeon crawling sequence with no hand-holding, let's see how it goes.
And Ryuji is a complete idiot. Please just shut up and stop saying you didn't understand everything.
Again, I'm still veeeeery early, so I know everything can change, but P4 had me hooked before.
Had the same feeling at first, but once I hit the first boss the game really clicked.
Spinosaurus
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That actually took me waaay off guard. lol
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Me too, so far. But you can't please everyone. There are even people who prefer DR1 over DR2!
For me:
Gameplay and presentation is miles better than P3 and P4.
Characters are worse than P4, better than P3
Music, I'm unsure of. Better than P3. Probably worse than P4.
Story is worse than P4, better than P3.
It also adds some things that it doesn't need to, which bring it down a bit. The framing device is awful and frustrating. The number of times Morgana tells you to go to sleep is ridiculous. I also have serious issues with some of the narrative parts too.
At best, I'd say it stands level with P4, but we'll see how I feel when I finish it in English. I've changed my mind on some things since playing it in a language I can actually understand, hahaha.
Does the game let up on forcing me through story beats and dungeon segments after the first boss? I'm a few days into the next chapter and getting tired of having barely any choice in how to spend my time. I kinda just want them to bang out an introduction to the next palace and let me figure out how to tackle it from there in a certain timeframe - confidants and social sim stuff are really interesting but they might as well not be there at all if the game's just going to hold my hand and tell me what to do all the time.
Really love this game so far. I just wish it and this damn cat would loosen the grip on my balls.
Really love this game so far. I just wish it and this damn cat would loosen the grip on my balls.
Dangansona
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Me too, so far. But you can't please everyone. There are even people who prefer DR1 over DR2!
Similar to Persona 3 and 4, I think the first Danganronpa (that's what we are talking about right?) might have the more effective atmosphere. But even then 2 has it's own interesting tone and I think at the end of the day I go with 2 myself.
It's funny you say that because I'd give story and music to Persona 3, and characters aren't that far behind.
I've only just completed the third dungeon, so I can't make sweeping comments on which game is better than which, but I am happy that, despite gameplay trappings being the same, the game is attempting to do extremely different things than 3 or 4. It actually makes it somewhat hard to compare to 4. The stories are just extremely different.
The only real observation that I have so far is that 4 really felt like these kids who had to do all this supernatural stuff they didn't want to do, while 5 is about these kids who really go out of their way to do supernatural stuff even though they don't have to. As someone mentioned before, the Phantom Thieves is the primary subject for the group, it's what all their discussions revolve around. In P4 they talked a lot about the murders, but it only really reached a head when a new person got kidnapped.
This isn't really a bad thing (yet), but it's an extraordinarily different feel from 4. Right now, my love for the concept of "phantom thieves" and picaresque elements is balancing out my preference for the more laid back atmosphere of 4's cast. It's a trade-off, essentially.
The only real observation that I have so far is that 4 really felt like these kids who had to do all this supernatural stuff they didn't want to do, while 5 is about these kids who really go out of their way to do supernatural stuff even though they don't have to. As someone mentioned before, the Phantom Thieves is the primary subject for the group, it's what all their discussions revolve around. In P4 they talked a lot about the murders, but it only really reached a head when a new person got kidnapped.
This isn't really a bad thing (yet), but it's an extraordinarily different feel from 4. Right now, my love for the concept of "phantom thieves" and picaresque elements is balancing out my preference for the more laid back atmosphere of 4's cast. It's a trade-off, essentially.
Iva Demilcol
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You're not alone here. The general consensus is that P5 is the best Persona game, but GAF isn't an echo chamber and the game isn't perfect either.
I still love many things from P3 more than what we see in P5, like the edgy atmosphere, for example. But it is undeniable how superior everything in P5 compared to its predecessors. Many people can still like the cast of the other games more or the Social links, etc., but the game as a whole is one of the best RPGs ever made.
During the month of July I had so much free time that I watched 2 dvds... and returned them both on time. So thrilling...
It couldn't have all been just luck!
*Somehow saying you recruited a fortuneteller without sounding ridiculous*
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