Those are the same theme.
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Persona Community Thread |OT8| Coming Winter 2014
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Those are the same theme.
TheMrPliskin
Member
I don't think that there was ever a moment in P4 or P3 where a piece of dialogue felt unnatural, which is incredibly impressive when you consider that those games embrace the fact that they're set in Japan. Based on that I have plenty of faith that P5 will have a fantastic localisation, even if it wasn't as strong as P4/P3 for whatever reason.
I would agree, but I'm mainly speaking relative to other games in the Persona series. The dynamic of the Investigation Team is immediately different than any of the other teams in the other Persona games due to how close they are, and how they come together by seeing their darkest secrets and desires. This was made intentional, just like how SEES and the other groups also have different group dynamics.
Theodoricos
Member
Oh, in that case we're on the same page.
Still, I'd say that the power of bonds is more central of a theme in Final Fantasy VI for instance, than it is for Persona 4. Though FF6 is thankfully more subtle about it, and I believe it's much better executed for it.
A Dead Diehard
Member
What is this "sub-buttle" you speak of?
Going with what works isn't cash grabbing as much as smart business decisions. I never once said that P5 won't be its own unique thing so I don't know why you're bringing that up, but it's honestly silly to think they're going to throw the friendship theme out the window completely. Adding to that, I really think you're generally downplaying how important the friendship aspect of the games have been for the entire series up to this point just because you want to believe P5 will be its own special snowflake. The game can be its own thing and express new ideas while still falling back on old concepts; I honestly can't grasp why this seems like such a negative thing at all.
How do I explain P5 is so fundamentally different from P4 aesthetically?
Well geez, completely disregarding the mascot, ragtag main cast and vibrant visuals I guess they are completely different. Soejima discovered the colour red I guess.
Your second paragraph is basically what I was saying anyways so ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ Friendship themes being closer to P4 ≠ P5 will be P4-2
Your second paragraph is basically what I was saying anyways so ¯\_(ツ
Friendship themes being closer to P4 ≠ P5 will be P4-2
Hm, well I guess we can just agree to disagree. Again, I'm not saying that the P5 group won't be friends and have a strong bond, since I've stated that's inevitable in any story where the protagonists share a common goal. But I do not agree that this means it will resemble P4's dynamic. Persona Q made it quite clear, superficially, how different P3's group was from P4's from their interactions, and I would expect a similar difference in P5's group.
Though, this is kind of weird:
Are you saying P4 resembles P5 aesthetically and the only difference is their color? That's another point I really can't agree on, I guess.
Theodoricos
Member
Had to look that up. Seems like I need to brush up on my P4 Golden memes. XD
I think it will largely depend on how the new social link mechanic is handled. The presence of social links inherently means that the bonds of friendship will be one of the game's themes.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
I know why you didn't remember that scene, it has Marie in it, so you probably tried to purge it from your mind.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
That's very insensitive when you consider that
Marie literally tried purging herself from everyone's minds
Morning Star
Member
Wonderful how that incident turned out okay.
I guess I forgot to actually detail my thoughts about the group dynamic. While I think P5's group will be pretty close I actually don't think they'll be anywhere near as buddy buddy as the P4 gang. From the bits we've seen the main four could be similar but it's hard to judge fully without seeing the full cast. Put simply I guess I anticipate them being a mix of P3/P4: close but with a slight feeling of anonymity. Not sure if that makes complete sense though...
I don't want to mindlessly speculate too much further into it though. Hopefully I can say more about it after this week.
Being pretty facetious there. P5 actually looks pretty fresh to me but I can still look at it and see the similarities (which granted, are mostly due to Soejima's style). I guess if there's anything to take from that line it's that it still looks very much like a Persona game, which I think is a good thing.
That's sorta what my thoughts are about. As the social link system evolves I can't see the presence of friendship diminishing too significantly. Again, not saying it'll be completely in your face but it's something that'll most likely be there.
Theodoricos
Member
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A Dead Diehard
Member
I wasn't even thinking of that when I started the reply.
In all seriousness, SMT as a whole can't exactly count subtlety as one of its strong suits.
Ah, seems we basically agree after all. This:
Is kind of how I see it, too, but we don't have much to go on so it could be whatever.
Fundamentally, my stance is that it'll be a Persona game with all that entails (coherent look, etc.), but with the meaningful differences that set it apart from the others.
Aside: Words.
Is kind of how I see it, too, but we don't have much to go on so it could be whatever.
Fundamentally, my stance is that it'll be a Persona game with all that entails (coherent look, etc.), but with the meaningful differences that set it apart from the others.
Aside: Words.
Coincidence...?
(P5 TGS teaser website)
(Sega TGS streaming schedule)
(Sega TGS website)
Yes.
Theodoricos
Member
I sure hope Atlus' idea of soon isn't equal to Blizzard's idea of soon!
CrimsonFist
Member
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Ludger Kresnik
Member
It's not a poem, it's her pathos screaming out.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
where'd y'all get them Wanted posters and how do I edit it for myself?
A Dead Diehard
Member
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Thanks fam!
Vox Chaotica
Member
once my new phone comes in, I can take pictures of my phantom-kun cosplay that aren't such a shit
I'm just surprised I got it ready before the TGS Persona 5 blowout
Ludger Kresnik
Member
nice
Ganzlinger
Member
Looking really good!
I'd actually argue that the Power of Bonds was a stronger theme in P3. Or, at the very least, that it was just as strong in P3 as it was in P4.
The "power of bonds" is a secondary theme that connects to the main themes of both P3 and P4. P3 is not only about coming terms to death, but understanding that your life has value to those around you. It's fully encapsulated in the ending. P4 is not only about finding the truth, but expressing said truth to those around you.
In the end, both are about sharing a societal burden with those around you to help you get through life. Hashino's team specifically chose themes that lend themselves to the idea of talking with friends, given that was that team's new vision for "demon negotiation". P5 will be the exact same thing as well, with the new societal burden coming from limitation, as opposed to mortality (P3) and distorted truth (P4).
Now, whether or not you preferred P3's implementation of it to P4's is up to you. P4 was definitely more on the nose thanks to the fact that you could social link with all of your party members, but I didn't find it any more obvious that the core theme came from friendship. It's the core gameplay mechanic.
The "power of bonds" is a secondary theme that connects to the main themes of both P3 and P4. P3 is not only about coming terms to death, but understanding that your life has value to those around you. It's fully encapsulated in the ending. P4 is not only about finding the truth, but expressing said truth to those around you.
In the end, both are about sharing a societal burden with those around you to help you get through life. Hashino's team specifically chose themes that lend themselves to the idea of talking with friends, given that was that team's new vision for "demon negotiation". P5 will be the exact same thing as well, with the new societal burden coming from limitation, as opposed to mortality (P3) and distorted truth (P4).
Now, whether or not you preferred P3's implementation of it to P4's is up to you. P4 was definitely more on the nose thanks to the fact that you could social link with all of your party members, but I didn't find it any more obvious that the core theme came from friendship. It's the core gameplay mechanic.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
afreaknamedpete
Member
They know they are the most important announcement. Suspense.
Special reveals of Caduceus Hospital Game ft. Tae Takemi, Devil Survivor x Persona, and Persona spinoff Visual Novel.
Oh don't remind me. I'm really sad that they didn't continue this series, it was leagues better than Trauma Center and the presentation was super slick. The Persona series would work really well with the panel-style story scenes.
Seriously I'm praying that they continue the series some day.
That and I'd love more Persona Q and more Etrian crossover.
I completely forgot about this. I wonder if they just decided not to make a PV02 for all the characters?
Or maybe a hint for PQ-2 heh
Theodoricos
Member
If they want it out by this year, it'll have to be!
Surprisingly enough, this is actually the case this time! XD
Awesome cosplay.
Spectrasonic
Member
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201509/16088647.html
Seems like Famitsu has a poster now, still not really sure what it's about :/
It's a viral marketing campaign, in the 'Atlus Persona 5' way. These posters are located in game stores and game centers throughout Japan, and scanning the QR code leads one to the TGS teaser website.
Can't hotlink from Famitsu, btw.
Spectrasonic
Member
So is this the "Find the Phantom Thieves" event or is that something different?
The campaign is supposed to officially start on September 17th, and the Famitsu article emphasizes the start of tomorrow's Atlus broadcast (in Japan) with the countdown at 20:00 JST, so it seems these are preliminaries to whatever it's going to turn into.
afreaknamedpete
Member
I remember P3 and P4 just having a big 30 minute blowout gameplay presentation. Why can't we just have that instead of this weird QR code BS?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I really hate QR codes. Did they actually take off in JPN, so it's more relevant to them? I have a reader on my phone and I have used it like twice in the last year.
I mean, we already know there's a stage presentation and a countdown leading up to something. Why does it matter if there's a QR thing that just takes people who see the poster to an informational website alongside it?
Yeah, it really doesn't matter. It's just a gimmick to keep things interesting and keep people talking.
Media will get to where it needs to regardless.
afreaknamedpete
Member
Nah, I suppose it doesn't matter one bit. Just expressing some frustration with the lack of information.
CrimsonFist
Member
http://p-ch.jp/ Persona Channel reskin now too.
Seems like the stream will be watchable from there again, so a nico account shouldn't be needed.
Seems like the stream will be watchable from there again, so a nico account shouldn't be needed.
MysticDistance
Banned
Just in case anyone was wondering: Like with the previous streams, I will be archiving the events as they go on, and making tweets on my Twitter account for those who can't see the stream.
I'm not trying to advertise any of my accounts in any way. I just want fans to know just in case they can't see the stream for any reason.
And of course, as with the last two streams, I'll be posting on here, too.
I'm not trying to advertise any of my accounts in any way. I just want fans to know just in case they can't see the stream for any reason.
And of course, as with the last two streams, I'll be posting on here, too.
CrimsonFist
Member
And to the left is where the Persona 5 will be.
Since it's on the show floor, we'll have to get something tomorrow when it opens.
http://tgs.sega.jp/title/persona5.html SEGA's page for it.
cj_iwakura
Member
Persona 5 is on the map.
I wonder if there will be a new trailer at the booth hmmm.
Cornbread78
Member
Sorry for the image dump, but does anyone here know the video source to these clips? Is this from a new trailer? I figured this would be a good place to ask.