Also, lynch hyper day is always day 2. You know this.
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Persona Mafia |OT| Memento Mori
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Also, lynch hyper day is always day 2. You know this.
Ok. If it was a joke vote I'm ok with that. It seemed weird, kind of redundant.
And I should step away off the PC now if I want to not be a zombie at work tomorrow.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Nah, it keeps getting shifted. First day 2, then day 3, then day 3, then day 1
Guess I'm good till day 4 this time around!
What do you think of me moving both you and Flux to the townie side?
Honestly? I didn't even read your list yet, I'm just following the thread in between pulls. You put us right at the bottom of town list, doesn't seem that odd. I agree with your Flux read and not really inconsistent with your thoughts on me.
I wanna see some reasoning behind these. Ought to be something when you singled us out.
Gut reads. You've all been unafraid to give your opinion and contribute original thoughts (not focusing solely on Style/PK like many others). Haven't really seen any signs of manipulation or scum tells.
Which of these best reflects how you feel about me:
-Caution, keep an eye
-Suspicious, but focus on scum reads
-Not getting anywhere, look elsewhere
-Not helpful, but not damaging
-A town read would be helpful
-Pocketlicious
Those two I guess? You're not damaging either yet imo.
TIMING
I even refreshed the page right before posting.
I even refreshed the page right before posting.
OK, thanks. Does me being generally town read affect that in any way?
It's making me feel better. Aside from your posting when you first came in last night, I also agree that you're fine so I agree with the groupthink at this stage anyway.
Hyperactivity
Banned
K, all done. This post is more snark than reads, btw
I need to start off with this:
PK, I find a disturbing amount of your posts to be similar to how I post XD. Like, first I offhand saw one post, thought it was funny, then saw another, and a little while later it starts simultaneously cracking me up and scaring me
hahaha
gonna guess you just kept the discussion moving along with this vote
Way to give your reasoning away XD
I might just cry tears of joy
Bad Guys will want to play how they naturally play or feel like playing, and if they're trying to pull off some act it'll probably show in regards to their natural tendencies
but think of the double, no triple, no quadruple, no quintuple posts you can make!
so uh
Y'know, that was while we were approaching end game, and that post was a post meant for being posted ~30 seconds before day end to signal a neutral while you were being lynched
I need to start off with this:
PK, I find a disturbing amount of your posts to be similar to how I post XD. Like, first I offhand saw one post, thought it was funny, then saw another, and a little while later it starts simultaneously cracking me up and scaring me
hahaha
gonna guess you just kept the discussion moving along with this vote
Way to give your reasoning away XD
I might just cry tears of joy
Bad Guys will want to play how they naturally play or feel like playing, and if they're trying to pull off some act it'll probably show in regards to their natural tendencies
but think of the double, no triple, no quadruple, no quintuple posts you can make!
so uh
Y'know, that was while we were approaching end game, and that post was a post meant for being posted ~30 seconds before day end to signal a neutral while you were being lynched
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Have to go to work soon. I will be around in the morning, or perhaps if its dead tonight. We will see.
Anyway, my top choice for today is Buzzard. I don't really understand nor like his logic; it feels very forced and his lack of any solid scum reads is a huge red flag. PK and Style give me town vibes, with how aggressive they have been. I doubt scum would be that emboldened at game start. Fran also applies here.
As for StarSketch, she has been inactive but her recent efforts to contribute to the game have made me feel better about her. I get an honest vibe with her post about not knowing what to say. She has been like this in every game I've seen her in for the most part and that behavior is normal from her, in my opinion.
Would like to hear from Zipped and Vanguard.
Anyway, my top choice for today is Buzzard. I don't really understand nor like his logic; it feels very forced and his lack of any solid scum reads is a huge red flag. PK and Style give me town vibes, with how aggressive they have been. I doubt scum would be that emboldened at game start. Fran also applies here.
As for StarSketch, she has been inactive but her recent efforts to contribute to the game have made me feel better about her. I get an honest vibe with her post about not knowing what to say. She has been like this in every game I've seen her in for the most part and that behavior is normal from her, in my opinion.
Would like to hear from Zipped and Vanguard.
????
Can you explain this? I just went back three pages and I'm still not seeing anything.
Sorry everyone for not posting much the last day. Had some life stuff get in the way yesterday and then today I had work followed by more life stuff. I'm catching up on the thread now (only was a few pages behind). I'll respond to anything that may have been directed at me as well as post my current thoughts and try and put another vote down.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
She made a post about not knowing what to say, and then she said she would go back and do what Hyper suggested. It's not much, but the fact that she popped in at all has helped ease my worries about her. It's a good thing, considering others are still MIA.
It just feels honest.
Hyperactivity
Banned
1) 11037 - medium scum read, seems incredibly comfortable in current position, contributes, flies under radar.
2) BlackBuzzard - slight-medium town read, seems genuine, trying to contribute
3) Il-Vanguard-Il - ???? all I know is he did the RNG vote thing, but null right now
4) exmachina64 - was mostly null/felt slightly off, then his post on Style/PK being suspect threw me for a loop, felt suspect. Minor scum read
5) FEP - seems WAY too comfortable. Doesn't seem to really be adding much, staying with lane of conversation they're already sort of in, most of the conversation/argument doesn't actually feel too productive. Idk, it's a tone thing, he seems REALLY comfortable in his own shoes right now, scum read.
6) FluxWaveZ - either hard headed town or scummy for me right now, leaning towards latter (although I think he has reputation of playing like this). Scum read
Seems to be a mix of reactive posting and trying to control who is being pressured alone. First seemed way too focused pressuring alot of newer players, then voted for Style 2 hours after the Style vote starts getting momentum, then the whole PK thing seemed to continue it.
He had a particular post that summarizes it well for me, where he calls out Rynam for not having more on PK, "one of the top topics of discussion/posters" or something, which again felt like he was trying to promote the idea that this was true when it really didn't feel like it (how many posts had PK had at that point? Why would someone have paid so much attention to the discussion mainly between 2-3 posters at that point? Etc.) Also his "PK, will you vote for Style with me" thing REALLY threw me for a loop, legit thought they might have been scum-scum. Now leaning against it, but it still feels scummy on flux's end
Seems to demand everyone to contribute more while actually bullying his way into making his viewpoint the main (or one of the main) ones, thus really staring down any convo he doesn't agree with. Has an easy time just calling out any and everyone.
7) franconp - started off as a major scum read, has lessened over time. Minor scum read. Mix of making easy sorts of posts to participate and doing the same sort of "contribute, but really I'm going to call you out anyways" : brings up hypotheticals, then is aggressive on more uncertain posters in a way similar to how I described flux, calls out plop for having "detailed post" as newbie (but was passive aggressive, doesn't actually do shit), saying "don't discuss roles", I don't want voting shenanigans.
A mix of my complaint with flux and FEP. I will say, as it went on, I think my initial suspicion might have decreased because I might have gone too far into it, but franconp definitely feels like a player who deliberately tried to establish themselves
8) WAMD - I got nothing, I need something to go on here. Null
9) Matt Attack - has posted, saying that the posts most felt safe for him also feels like I'm talking out of my ass too much and trying to fill in the blank on my thoughts on him. Null
10) Natiko - started off as a town read for scum communication thing, then the suspicious part of me immediately looked at Sorian's post and decided that he could easily see a Natiko + Sorian pairing. Not to worry about at this point. Later posts generally confident, weren't scummy so much as they didn't exude that town vibe as hard, so diluted my gut read, but still minor town read.
11) PK Gaming - posts creepily like me. Feels townie. Style vote was really eh, but I think I agree with Sorian on trying to exert themselves vibe. I've been scum enough personally that I can see them as scum, but minor town read for now
12) plop - the town vibe is too hard right now, hard town read
13) Hyperactivity - I know I'm not town
14) Ty4on - ???? he definitely has contributed and analyzed, but I would need to do a detailed parsing that still might not get me enough. Really solid poster so far, but complete null read off the top of my head
15) Sorian - feels like typical Sorian? Actually, he seems a little less annoying and in your face, but Sorian generally always plays similar regardless of role. Not a consideration right now for me, although:
IF SORIAN IS ALIVE BY DAY 4 AND THERE HAVE NOT BEEN NO KILL NIGHT PHASES, LYNCH HIM UNLESS HE HAS A FOOLPROOF BACKED UP BY CONFIRMED TOWNIES (and I mean triple confirmed, not cop said they were town despite them maybe be GF) REASON WHY HE IS ALIVE
16) Starsketch - townie vibe. Sort of adorable
17) Style - flailing. I think I agree with it feeling more scummy, but that's less from his reactions while he has been the vote leader. Sketch and Exodu5 defended him earlier (although Exodu5 had first suspected him), Flux votes for him despuite thinking he is town. He and franconp aren't partners. Idk, it feels off from typical townie flailing, but townie flailing is always similar. The people bringing up him being typical townie that then gets mislynched, i just don't know, it doesn't feel that way. Will check back to on this feeling.
I don't know if he's not getting help from any scum teammates, or if he's scum if he got advice/is getting some advice but going too far in the direction of the advice he gets. Main example is a possible Style + Sorian team, where I can easily see Style making his first post, Sorian asking him to back off a little, then he goes a little too far, etc. Slight scum read.
18) TheExodu5 - scummy vibe. converging lynch stuff first othered me, but its a point that would bother me regardless of my alignment or their alignment. Defended style, in a way that felt like closest indication of if there might be scum trying to defend style, but eh. Calls out PK over lurking and bandwagon, quickly changed feeling.
Think I agree with Sorian on the bus thing maybe not being so innocent, especially when he tries to say it';s just semantics. I will say, as I type this out, I'm feeling less sure, he's more nullish for me now
19) Verelios - total null right now for me, will have to go back because I know he did post some/decently
20) Zippedpinhead - null, and alot of it has to do with inactivity here
2) BlackBuzzard - slight-medium town read, seems genuine, trying to contribute
3) Il-Vanguard-Il - ???? all I know is he did the RNG vote thing, but null right now
4) exmachina64 - was mostly null/felt slightly off, then his post on Style/PK being suspect threw me for a loop, felt suspect. Minor scum read
5) FEP - seems WAY too comfortable. Doesn't seem to really be adding much, staying with lane of conversation they're already sort of in, most of the conversation/argument doesn't actually feel too productive. Idk, it's a tone thing, he seems REALLY comfortable in his own shoes right now, scum read.
6) FluxWaveZ - either hard headed town or scummy for me right now, leaning towards latter (although I think he has reputation of playing like this). Scum read
Seems to be a mix of reactive posting and trying to control who is being pressured alone. First seemed way too focused pressuring alot of newer players, then voted for Style 2 hours after the Style vote starts getting momentum, then the whole PK thing seemed to continue it.
He had a particular post that summarizes it well for me, where he calls out Rynam for not having more on PK, "one of the top topics of discussion/posters" or something, which again felt like he was trying to promote the idea that this was true when it really didn't feel like it (how many posts had PK had at that point? Why would someone have paid so much attention to the discussion mainly between 2-3 posters at that point? Etc.) Also his "PK, will you vote for Style with me" thing REALLY threw me for a loop, legit thought they might have been scum-scum. Now leaning against it, but it still feels scummy on flux's end
Seems to demand everyone to contribute more while actually bullying his way into making his viewpoint the main (or one of the main) ones, thus really staring down any convo he doesn't agree with. Has an easy time just calling out any and everyone.
7) franconp - started off as a major scum read, has lessened over time. Minor scum read. Mix of making easy sorts of posts to participate and doing the same sort of "contribute, but really I'm going to call you out anyways" : brings up hypotheticals, then is aggressive on more uncertain posters in a way similar to how I described flux, calls out plop for having "detailed post" as newbie (but was passive aggressive, doesn't actually do shit), saying "don't discuss roles", I don't want voting shenanigans.
A mix of my complaint with flux and FEP. I will say, as it went on, I think my initial suspicion might have decreased because I might have gone too far into it, but franconp definitely feels like a player who deliberately tried to establish themselves
8) WAMD - I got nothing, I need something to go on here. Null
9) Matt Attack - has posted, saying that the posts most felt safe for him also feels like I'm talking out of my ass too much and trying to fill in the blank on my thoughts on him. Null
10) Natiko - started off as a town read for scum communication thing, then the suspicious part of me immediately looked at Sorian's post and decided that he could easily see a Natiko + Sorian pairing. Not to worry about at this point. Later posts generally confident, weren't scummy so much as they didn't exude that town vibe as hard, so diluted my gut read, but still minor town read.
11) PK Gaming - posts creepily like me. Feels townie. Style vote was really eh, but I think I agree with Sorian on trying to exert themselves vibe. I've been scum enough personally that I can see them as scum, but minor town read for now
12) plop - the town vibe is too hard right now, hard town read
13) Hyperactivity - I know I'm not town
14) Ty4on - ???? he definitely has contributed and analyzed, but I would need to do a detailed parsing that still might not get me enough. Really solid poster so far, but complete null read off the top of my head
15) Sorian - feels like typical Sorian? Actually, he seems a little less annoying and in your face, but Sorian generally always plays similar regardless of role. Not a consideration right now for me, although:
IF SORIAN IS ALIVE BY DAY 4 AND THERE HAVE NOT BEEN NO KILL NIGHT PHASES, LYNCH HIM UNLESS HE HAS A FOOLPROOF BACKED UP BY CONFIRMED TOWNIES (and I mean triple confirmed, not cop said they were town despite them maybe be GF) REASON WHY HE IS ALIVE
16) Starsketch - townie vibe. Sort of adorable
17) Style - flailing. I think I agree with it feeling more scummy, but that's less from his reactions while he has been the vote leader. Sketch and Exodu5 defended him earlier (although Exodu5 had first suspected him), Flux votes for him despuite thinking he is town. He and franconp aren't partners. Idk, it feels off from typical townie flailing, but townie flailing is always similar. The people bringing up him being typical townie that then gets mislynched, i just don't know, it doesn't feel that way. Will check back to on this feeling.
I don't know if he's not getting help from any scum teammates, or if he's scum if he got advice/is getting some advice but going too far in the direction of the advice he gets. Main example is a possible Style + Sorian team, where I can easily see Style making his first post, Sorian asking him to back off a little, then he goes a little too far, etc. Slight scum read.
18) TheExodu5 - scummy vibe. converging lynch stuff first othered me, but its a point that would bother me regardless of my alignment or their alignment. Defended style, in a way that felt like closest indication of if there might be scum trying to defend style, but eh. Calls out PK over lurking and bandwagon, quickly changed feeling.
Think I agree with Sorian on the bus thing maybe not being so innocent, especially when he tries to say it';s just semantics. I will say, as I type this out, I'm feeling less sure, he's more nullish for me now
19) Verelios - total null right now for me, will have to go back because I know he did post some/decently
20) Zippedpinhead - null, and alot of it has to do with inactivity here
flatearthpandas
Member
Bout time to change off of Style. He lost the receipts.
Vote: TheExodu5
This is going to sound gut but I swear your posts just all read dishonest to me. First one that jumped out was page 3 on machinas soft claim. It was weird because your quote was the one that stuck out even though I ultimately agreed with your handling for the most part. Just something seemed off.
Then you seemed fine. Until I searched your posts and noticed that essentially all you've done is talk about lynching inactives. Take a break now and then to remind everyone of exmachinas slipup or pretend you don't know what bussing is.
Your reads until this morning were inactives and, weird, style and pk. But you accuse me of only giving reads on them #592, when i was actually directly asked my opinions on them and simply responded. My vote on style was for reasons no one seems interested in talking about today actually, but apparently I'm parroting. Again, dishonest. My actual read list #456 didn't even include style or pk. It did include me already feeling uneasy on you though. Today's activity has been easy targets (star, style, me) with an outlier on sorian to try and flip him on one of us. It all feels manipulative. It all feels fake.
I believe this is my vote for the day barring shenanigans. I would be tempted to jump on Sorian's
wagon and vote vanguard, who you've been trying to protect, but I suspect your scum buddy is actually one of the other formerly inactives.
Vote: TheExodu5
This is going to sound gut but I swear your posts just all read dishonest to me. First one that jumped out was page 3 on machinas soft claim. It was weird because your quote was the one that stuck out even though I ultimately agreed with your handling for the most part. Just something seemed off.
Then you seemed fine. Until I searched your posts and noticed that essentially all you've done is talk about lynching inactives. Take a break now and then to remind everyone of exmachinas slipup or pretend you don't know what bussing is.
Your reads until this morning were inactives and, weird, style and pk. But you accuse me of only giving reads on them #592, when i was actually directly asked my opinions on them and simply responded. My vote on style was for reasons no one seems interested in talking about today actually, but apparently I'm parroting. Again, dishonest. My actual read list #456 didn't even include style or pk. It did include me already feeling uneasy on you though. Today's activity has been easy targets (star, style, me) with an outlier on sorian to try and flip him on one of us. It all feels manipulative. It all feels fake.
I believe this is my vote for the day barring shenanigans. I would be tempted to jump on Sorian's
bus
Nah, I survived that lynch. There was copy paste laid out in night phase for day phase. Of course it isn't a common thing but we're not really beating this bush anymore.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Was just about to post a shorthand version of my reads list, but I'll say this post seems to somewhat allay my feeling of you coasting, at least enough that I would need to look back at more posts a little closer to actually say anything conclusive
Hyperactivity
Banned
TOWN
plop
Blackbuzzard
Starsketch
Natiko
SLIGHT TOWN
PK Gaming
NULL
Verelios
Ty4on
Sorian (got a few ideas of scum pairs he's a part of though)
WAMD
Matt Attack
Zippedpinhead
Il-Vanguard-Il
SLIGHT SCUM
11037
TheExodu5
Light-MEDIUM --> MEDIUM SCUM
Style
Flux (this or top hardheaded town)
franconp
exmachina64
VOTE: exmachina64
Seems like most productive person to go after, flux is going to start an argument with me regardless of me actually having a vote on him, franconp isn't going anywhere today I feel, Style is lol why would I even bother at this point, plus the votes on him make me feel a little more uneasy
plop
Blackbuzzard
Starsketch
Natiko
SLIGHT TOWN
PK Gaming
NULL
Verelios
Ty4on
Sorian (got a few ideas of scum pairs he's a part of though)
WAMD
Matt Attack
Zippedpinhead
Il-Vanguard-Il
SLIGHT SCUM
11037
TheExodu5
Light-MEDIUM --> MEDIUM SCUM
Style
Flux (this or top hardheaded town)
franconp
exmachina64
I KNOW THIS DUDE ISN'T TOWN
Hyperactivity
Hyperactivity
VOTE: exmachina64
Seems like most productive person to go after, flux is going to start an argument with me regardless of me actually having a vote on him, franconp isn't going anywhere today I feel, Style is lol why would I even bother at this point, plus the votes on him make me feel a little more uneasy
Hyperactivity
Banned
Hahahaha shit I totally forgot FEP
Put him under slight town, although that could easily range to slight scum. Would probably depend on which post of his I'm thinking of at any particular moment, really should go back and look
But that's enough of thread readingtoday, I'm tired, will at most be reactive posting for rest of tonight, expect nothing of me pls and thank you
Put him under slight town, although that could easily range to slight scum. Would probably depend on which post of his I'm thinking of at any particular moment, really should go back and look
But that's enough of thread readingtoday, I'm tired, will at most be reactive posting for rest of tonight, expect nothing of me pls and thank you
Hyperactivity
Banned
I think that was the first time since cthulhu (asides from the hydra with sorian) that I made a readlist and it didn't take 1 million hours or never actually get made or something
I believe I deserve MVP for this game
I believe I deserve MVP for this game
My partners are Style, fran, and Vanguard. Protected one, trying to bus the other, and fran and I took co-leadership of town.
Someone somewhere just started frothing at the mouth at the WIFOM this post just created.
I really didn't want to do this, but I'm still the vote lead and I won't have much time tomorrow to participate in the final deadline hours. My hand has been twisted enough, sorry for doing revealing it this early, I caved in. I've done some really bad play and underestimated the game.
I'm a power role. My Persona of the Sun Arcana has the power to both nullify a kill at night and to kill someone at night. Both a one time use. Now that the cat is out of the bag it's useless because I have to use it on myself this night anyway, but it'll be useless anyway if I don't even survive the day.
I'm a power role. My Persona of the Sun Arcana has the power to both nullify a kill at night and to kill someone at night. Both a one time use. Now that the cat is out of the bag it's useless because I have to use it on myself this night anyway, but it'll be useless anyway if I don't even survive the day.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Nah, that doesn't seem like you
Your partners are Style and natiko. Semi-serious here:
-Natiko is entirely a conspiracy theory, but I didn't want to give them so easy a pass for one early post
-Style definitely feels like if he was scum, he could be partnered with you. No offense, but based off of your bussing scum victory, you and melon in super mini, etc. you're not so good at the getting heat off of other teammates backs or helping them work through a situation
. I can easily see you giving advice and Style going too far in whatever direction you nudged him towards. I sorta doubt Natiko AND Style would be with you. -On fran - I can easily see him trying to go for town leader, I can see why others might say so, but not even for dominating conversation so much as most of his posts not registering with me or seeming a little off or easy, I don't really consider him such. Closest thing to a town leader is maybe Ty4on, you seem relatively less prominent than usual.
StarSketch
Banned
Uh
You don't have that much pressure on you that you needed to do this?
I mean I guess if you really can't peek at the thread before deadline
Hyperactivity
Banned
How does it work? Before day starts, are you offered a choice to save someone? Are there any specifications?
Why would you have to use it on yourself anyway? I doubt the mafia would waste targeting you if they know you're just gonna protect yourself anyway.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Okay, so I've been off working on a list of thoughts based on the actions of different players. However, it's 12:48am and I have to be up at 6am. I should have some time this weekend (assuming I'm alive then) to put together a nice flow chart of various interactions between players. I'm hoping to root out scum by tracking...stuff. Don't wanna give away too much because scum is reading this.
Anyway, please please PLEASE don't be mad, but I'm just going to post my notes here. They're unrefined and only meant to be read by me, except now I'm so damn tired I don't care. They're incomplete and don't reflect my views on all players, but it's what I have so far.
One thing I've learned: My next game of Mafia, I'll be creating a chart and list from day one. That would've made all of this so much easier.
Anyway, here goes:
1 = Town
2 = Leaning town
3 = Not sure
4 = Leaning scum
5 = Scum
KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR:
Franconp and Ty4on relationship
TheExodu5 and Style relationship
Style signs
FluxWaveZ with aggressive voting and actions (mostly voting)
Sorian signs
11037: Hasn't posted much of substance. Hard to say. Supposedly quiet is a scum tell, so for now: 4
BlackBuzzard: Another under the radar player. Voted to lynch Style for saying he thinks Flux is a power role. Need more info. 3
FluxWaveZ: Aggressive. Voting all over the place. Voted for Style at 463, then voted PK Gaming at 492 because PK wouldn't join in his lynch of Style. Feels like someone who isn't afraid to swing at multiple targets because maybe they know who their friends are. Because they have them in a separate scum chat perhaps? Sorian and Ty4on (517-521) mention his tendency to be aggressive in past games, even when town. 4
Franconp: Knowledgable. At 501 admits to WhereAreMahDragons (who says he's being more hectic than before) that he's acting differently than he has in past games when he was a townie. Insists it's because he doesn't want to appear crazy right away with wild conspiracy theories. Ty4on says (508) he's playing exactly as he remembers him in other games. Contradiction? Fran says he's acting differently, then Ty4on says Fran is acting the same to protect him? 4
PK Gaming: Virtually gone from posting until he was mentioned as being suspiciously absent. Suddenly, he's here, then admits he had been lurking and not posting. Why not? Afraid to give away role? Then immediately jumps on the "lynch Style" train. Sorian (498) says he's likely newbie town, but maybe they're working together? Flatearthpandas says at 505 that he's had instances in games where he was scum where teammates would literally feed him answers to copy and paste, which is possible for PK. Even if not, his actions from the beginning were odd. 4
Sorian: Knowledgable. Good at steering and deflecting. If he says someone isn't scum, people seem to follow that. At 498, very quick to defend PK because PK made a long post. Says it's because the post screamed newbie town, which is possible. He'd know better than me. Of course, he could be on PK's team and helping him behind the scenes. Good defense of himself for his PK defense at 516. Not overly defensive. Just "take it as you will." Would know to stay calm if fingered, so this doesn't necessarily mean anything. Keep eye on. 3
TheExodu5: Pushes hard for a lynch of Style for no reason other than weird play (he's new) and the "need" for a lynch. Very strange. Post 544, Sorian calls out TheExodu5 for using a scum term (bus) that supposedly refers to faking a vote against a fellow scummate. The scummate in question was Style. Keeps calling to consolidate votes, as if he wants to shake someone away from a vote he doesn't approve of (as Sorian says at 544). His defense of his use of the term (554) is pretty weak ("semantics"). Defends push to lynch as a desire to put pressure. Not sure i believe him. 4
Ty4on: At 508, defends Fran by saying Fran is playing exactly as he remembers in previous games. Then goes on to defend Fran (post 514) by saying that he town reads Fran because he's playing differently than in other games. Calls out Flux (514). Defends Style (514). Late replacement. The Exodu5 brings up a good point at 527 that maybe the person he's replacing left because he was given a boring vanilla town role. Still, that contradiction... Suspects Star (543) 4
Verelios: Calls for StarSketch to post more (534) but he's barely posted himself, as noted by Sorian at 516 (though Sorian says he reads town from Verelios). Not active enough to say either way. Going to lean scum for this reason, for now. 4
Zippedpinhead: Defends Sorian, 11037, Fran and PK Gaming (525) as town. At 553, his defense of PK boils down to his gifs he posts... not enough info yet. 3
Anyway, please please PLEASE don't be mad, but I'm just going to post my notes here. They're unrefined and only meant to be read by me, except now I'm so damn tired I don't care. They're incomplete and don't reflect my views on all players, but it's what I have so far.
One thing I've learned: My next game of Mafia, I'll be creating a chart and list from day one. That would've made all of this so much easier.
Anyway, here goes:
1 = Town
2 = Leaning town
3 = Not sure
4 = Leaning scum
5 = Scum
KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR:
Franconp and Ty4on relationship
TheExodu5 and Style relationship
Style signs
FluxWaveZ with aggressive voting and actions (mostly voting)
Sorian signs
11037: Hasn't posted much of substance. Hard to say. Supposedly quiet is a scum tell, so for now: 4
BlackBuzzard: Another under the radar player. Voted to lynch Style for saying he thinks Flux is a power role. Need more info. 3
FluxWaveZ: Aggressive. Voting all over the place. Voted for Style at 463, then voted PK Gaming at 492 because PK wouldn't join in his lynch of Style. Feels like someone who isn't afraid to swing at multiple targets because maybe they know who their friends are. Because they have them in a separate scum chat perhaps? Sorian and Ty4on (517-521) mention his tendency to be aggressive in past games, even when town. 4
Franconp: Knowledgable. At 501 admits to WhereAreMahDragons (who says he's being more hectic than before) that he's acting differently than he has in past games when he was a townie. Insists it's because he doesn't want to appear crazy right away with wild conspiracy theories. Ty4on says (508) he's playing exactly as he remembers him in other games. Contradiction? Fran says he's acting differently, then Ty4on says Fran is acting the same to protect him? 4
PK Gaming: Virtually gone from posting until he was mentioned as being suspiciously absent. Suddenly, he's here, then admits he had been lurking and not posting. Why not? Afraid to give away role? Then immediately jumps on the "lynch Style" train. Sorian (498) says he's likely newbie town, but maybe they're working together? Flatearthpandas says at 505 that he's had instances in games where he was scum where teammates would literally feed him answers to copy and paste, which is possible for PK. Even if not, his actions from the beginning were odd. 4
Sorian: Knowledgable. Good at steering and deflecting. If he says someone isn't scum, people seem to follow that. At 498, very quick to defend PK because PK made a long post. Says it's because the post screamed newbie town, which is possible. He'd know better than me. Of course, he could be on PK's team and helping him behind the scenes. Good defense of himself for his PK defense at 516. Not overly defensive. Just "take it as you will." Would know to stay calm if fingered, so this doesn't necessarily mean anything. Keep eye on. 3
TheExodu5: Pushes hard for a lynch of Style for no reason other than weird play (he's new) and the "need" for a lynch. Very strange. Post 544, Sorian calls out TheExodu5 for using a scum term (bus) that supposedly refers to faking a vote against a fellow scummate. The scummate in question was Style. Keeps calling to consolidate votes, as if he wants to shake someone away from a vote he doesn't approve of (as Sorian says at 544). His defense of his use of the term (554) is pretty weak ("semantics"). Defends push to lynch as a desire to put pressure. Not sure i believe him. 4
Ty4on: At 508, defends Fran by saying Fran is playing exactly as he remembers in previous games. Then goes on to defend Fran (post 514) by saying that he town reads Fran because he's playing differently than in other games. Calls out Flux (514). Defends Style (514). Late replacement. The Exodu5 brings up a good point at 527 that maybe the person he's replacing left because he was given a boring vanilla town role. Still, that contradiction... Suspects Star (543) 4
Verelios: Calls for StarSketch to post more (534) but he's barely posted himself, as noted by Sorian at 516 (though Sorian says he reads town from Verelios). Not active enough to say either way. Going to lean scum for this reason, for now. 4
Zippedpinhead: Defends Sorian, 11037, Fran and PK Gaming (525) as town. At 553, his defense of PK boils down to his gifs he posts... not enough info yet. 3
Hyperactivity
Banned
He had 6 votes on him before, 7 now. I might have waited much longer to try and at least go for a stampede of people trying to avoid a power role lynch, but I can easily see Style, with how he's been playing, and the fact that he told us he'll mostly be busy tomorrow, choosing to reveal now
If nothing else, we should give him a chance imo. If he's scum and scum want to hold a kill back for a night, it only benefits us. If a kill happens tonight, he's either scum or scum have some sort of roleblock or strong kill.
The main worry is if he decides to use the killing power, because scum have given up at this point at him surviving this long but DO want to utilize his ability before any lynch
exmachina64
Banned
Not sure if you're referring to me in your spoiler tag, but I'm just a townie. I'm sorry you feel differently and I'll do my best to show you otherwise.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I've tried the 2nd
Honestly just keeping a chat log or notebook where you just type as you think and type random bs or your handwriting is sorta everywhere and then you use it to make a read list works a lot better, you're good fam
Hyperactivity
Banned
That's not me being referred to in spoiler tag
But ok then, yeah, I'd like to be able to mark any townies as townies
It's a night command I have to PM. Only specified if there's two targets on a night.
Read the above, I don't get to see who the target is unless there's two. Calling out your role makes you an easy target so if I make it through this I have to use the potion no matter what.
Hyperactivity
Banned
For the seemingly low page count I honestly see really not too many concerning post count numbers.
Asides from Sorian's, who could always post a little less
Asides from Sorian's, who could always post a little less
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Also, keeping my vote on PK Gaming (not that it matters with where the tide headed). That sudden appearance and push of the spotlight onto the sacrificial lamb just hit me hard.
A close second for me is TheExodu5. Pushing to lynch and use of the term "bus" which Sorian says is a scum word for voting to kill another scum player seems like a major slip. Furthering that slip is the fact that in his very next post, TheExodu5 overcompensated by bus-using the bus-term bus more bus-often than any-bus-one has ever bus-used the term bus before.
A close second for me is TheExodu5. Pushing to lynch and use of the term "bus" which Sorian says is a scum word for voting to kill another scum player seems like a major slip. Furthering that slip is the fact that in his very next post, TheExodu5 overcompensated by bus-using the bus-term bus more bus-often than any-bus-one has ever bus-used the term bus before.
exmachina64
Banned
I'm not sure I understand then?
Are you going by your gut or claiming to have some special insight into my role?
Hyperactivity
Banned
Guess I can say in regards to PK Gaming that I don't see at least the desire or instinct to try and sit back and post when convo starts as inherently scummy, because although I don't really agree with it I do understand the desire or reasoning behind it from experience.
Also, Plop, I disagree with your statement that low activity = scummy. Low activity can be concerning, but in my experience players tend to post at a generally natural level/tendency, and many low posters are always that way and high posters always that way although yes, there are people who switch between activity levels for alignments. But even that can just totally be because they haven't played a mafia game in a while or they're more or less busy, etc.
Also, Plop, I disagree with your statement that low activity = scummy. Low activity can be concerning, but in my experience players tend to post at a generally natural level/tendency, and many low posters are always that way and high posters always that way although yes, there are people who switch between activity levels for alignments. But even that can just totally be because they haven't played a mafia game in a while or they're more or less busy, etc.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Reasoning on you already mentioned, although when I wake up I need to go through FEP, find posts of yours that bothered me, and the specific part of Flux's that bothered me, and one or two other posts that I had mentioned
Spoiler refers to the Hyper slip Ouro referred to earlier, ask Sorian
Hyperactivity
Banned
Congrats Style, I think I'm upgrading you to similar position as FEP, slight town that can still range down to slight scum
In any case I'm hesitant about a style lynch now
In any case I'm hesitant about a style lynch now
So all it takes is a potentially BS early role claim for you to suddenly be "hesitant about a style lynch."
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Yeah, someone else mentioned that too (Sorian, I think). I need to get it out of my head that things are binary and instead realize that it's situational and varies depending on game type, player, posts, etc.
I hate to keep beating the "I'm new!" drum, but I hope to god I get better at this. I'm an inherently trusting person, so looking for scum tells and doubting everyone is foreign to me. I'm currently watching a video on how to play to maybe learn some tips (though it's a live action game I'm watching...couldn't find any on forum games).
Also, welcome!
Matt Attack
Member
Reading up on recent developments and making a reads list now, I'll try to have it up soon!
exmachina64
Banned
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Yep.
Trust no one. Always keep your evoker handy.
Hyperactivity
Banned
A. Was sorta iffy earlier, mainly relating to my belief of a scum teammate helping them or not
B. Already had been voted on by people I suspected of being scum
C. If his claim is bs, we still get scum tomorrow. If scum are willing to go out of there way to save a fellow scummate by no killing, they give any prs a free day to work. If there is a NK and he wasn't lying, we have an idea of scum's possible powers. If we get a NK, he was scum, and scum don't NK, we know we have a vig./SK
That being said, I'm confused as to whether his role just stops an NK or is a doctor role.
I suppose his seeming lack of concern about his lynch earlier, or whatever it was, does bother me if he is indeed a PR.
But again, like with my main concern about him - does that seem like a PR that scum would design?
Not too sure I get what you're saying here... but before I explain why, can we have a single post explaining exactly what Style's supposed ability is?
What's this thing about two targets at night? Can he use both of his powers on a single night?
Hyperactivity
Banned
In any case, you're way too quick to jump on someone who is taking the natural "don't risk a PR lynch" day 1 stance just because you absolutely believe that this person is scum
Oh wait
Last post iirc by you on Style. So unless you are already suspicious of him, why do you immediately feel his claim is bs again?
Oh wait
Last post iirc by you on Style. So unless you are already suspicious of him, why do you immediately feel his claim is bs again?