Didn't read overwatch
Was trying to make a point
And with what were you comparing? Danganronpa?
I was killed night 1 there.
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And with what were you comparing? Danganronpa?
I was killed night 1 there.
Sorian died because he 1) was very unlikely to be lynched by town for the first few days(and why wouldn't they try to get him gone then) 2) Could rally town towards specific objectives, moving conversation along which Scum absolutely do not want. The more stagnant the thread is, the better for them since town has less to hone in on.
Like I said yesterday, I'm looking at WAMD's posts and they're coming out either safe or suspect. Can you pop in and give your thoughts?
Hyperactivity
Banned
I think???
Idk, I know I've seen you in a game before and you didn't seem to post much
Right, well, as you can definitely tell, I've been following your previous games a ton.
Next time, I'll use myself as an example: I used to be terrible about being that active as town, and when I was scum my activity was primarily based on offensive plays.
In any case, I'm more interested in what people think about the conclusions I made off of TheExodu5's post. Unless you guys are avoiding the question because none of you guys voted for TheExodu5
II-Vanguard-II
Member
Look i don't know how many times i gotta say this Sorin had NOTHING on me the only reason he was on me is because i RNG'd instead of pursuing others plus just because he suspected me doesn't make it instantly true he could have been wrong,
and he was
If you haven't following my games why did you make that point? And it's a shame that there is noone here who played AC and Overwatch with me because they can say that I was a lot more agressive in Overwatch than in AC.
Regarding the other point, this is the only thing you said about me:
There is a proper insight here, so OK. It's your opinion.
And I can accept PK points, not sure about Exmachina and not ok with Starsketch, she feels scummy to me.
BlackBuzzard:
*Voted for Style and remained on Style even after the role claim when everyone else decided to let it play out and moved on.
*Defended by TheExodu5 due to inactivity not being a good reason to vote for someone. TheExodu5 then voted on PK Gaming for inactivity.
*Criticized others for inactivity despite being more inactive than them.
*Was deemed as a "slight-medium town read, seems genuine, trying to contribute" as you despite contributing very little.
II-Vanguard-II:
*Voted on Style then remained on him for a very long time, only switching once it came down to TheExodu5 or exmachina64 (bet you can't guess who he picked, more on that later).
*Defended by TheExodu5 against Sorian. TheExodu5 first stated he was "puzzled" by Sorian's vote and that the vote "seemed weird". TheExodu5 later stated "I'm not feeling the Vanguard lynch. Just seems like more non committal than scum." then voted for exmachina64 in the same post. Not a great look.
*The next post after TheExodu5 puts his vote on exmachina64, II-Vanguard-II states exmachina64 would be his second vote after Style. Hmm.
*Two more votes come in for TheExodu5 which prompts II-Vanguard-II to finally give up on the Style vote, before finally he settles on his choice, again guess who..
*Votes for exmachina64 in the wind down of day one, perhaps to try and tip the scales a bit more away from his teammate TheExodu5.
Keep in mind that TheExodu5 put an early vote on BlackBuzzard, BlackBuzzard put an early vote on II-Vanguard-II, perhaps to give them some clout as town after one of them flipped.
Thus..
HyperActivity:
*Defended BlackBuzzard, reading him as slight-medium town for contributing despite having very few posts.
*Listed various reasons why people suspected TheExodu5 as scum and agreed with them before concluding you were "feeling less sure" and that he's "nullish for me now"
*Listed II-Vanguard-II as null as well.
*While giving away these town and null reads he also marked Ty4on (confirmed town) as null despite him having far more contributions than two of the other three and having far less issues of concern than the remaining of the three.
*Only cast his final vote after Flux had landed on TheExodu5, preventing Hyper from voting exmachina without creating a tie.
*Then today further tries to push attention away from BlackBuzzard and II-Vanguard-II, noting that Sorian's reads should be viewed as flawed (remember that Sorian voted on II-Vanguard-II and pushed this hard, agreed on the principle of a BlackBuzzard vote when it was brought up, and moved his vote to TheExodu5 due to the bus mishap and his belief that he was more likely to flip scum than exmachina64).
You wanted reasoning, here you go.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
For the record, this is my play. I'm not going to sit here and spew shit people have already said for the sole appearance of being active. I pop in when I can, make my thoughts known, and then read. I have a consuming job so this is how I have to play, as well.
My role (town) also reflects this play so...
I know you guys killed me off quickly but damn, retroactively killed again.
Well, okay then.
CrimsonFist
Member
I meant both games. Ouro, Haly, Eze and nin were in both games.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
I come back and Sorian and Ty4on have been killed are you kidding me scum can kill 2-3 people at once? That seems OP. Meanwhile resident role claimer Styles is still alive cause he used his "power" on himself over Sorian.
So answer me these questions Style.
So 3 people were marked for dead and you decided to save your own ass over Ty4on and Sorian? You say you could only save yourself or Sorian, but does this not contradict what i just quoted below?
Lets say you mistyped what you meant and it actually said 2 or more, that still does not explain why you would pick yourself over Sorian. Its already suspect you would pick yourself over a strong player like Sorian add to it that he had a useful power role that could have helped us so much more then your 1 time kill. How do we know the notes you posted from Sorian are even complete or haven't been altered by you?
Can you answer those questions and saying you messed up is not an answer.
Right now i put you in either 1 of 2 camps.
A. You went against the good of the town to save your own ass even when you knew a strong player like Sorian had a power role.
B. You are scum.
I put you completely in camp B.
As for answering WAMD on why i kept my vote on Style. Because everything about his role claim smelled of desperation. He first tried to get Flux to back off by painting a bullseye on his back and issuing a thinly veiled threat when asked why he thought Flux had a power role he essentially said well if you don't know you don't know. How anyone even bought into his role claim is a bit crazy if you ask me.
Then there is the death of Ty4on.
I doubt he investigated Style.
He probably investigated somebody he thought was a safeish choice, just for that person to actually be scum. I just don't see the reason why you would investigate Style, because the next day phase people would ask Style to kill off somebody and when that does not match what people voted for, he would have been caught in his own lies.
So that is all my thoughts on the 2 deaths that took place and the 1 blocked kill on Style.
So answer me these questions Style.
So 3 people were marked for dead and you decided to save your own ass over Ty4on and Sorian? You say you could only save yourself or Sorian, but does this not contradict what i just quoted below?
Lets say you mistyped what you meant and it actually said 2 or more, that still does not explain why you would pick yourself over Sorian. Its already suspect you would pick yourself over a strong player like Sorian add to it that he had a useful power role that could have helped us so much more then your 1 time kill. How do we know the notes you posted from Sorian are even complete or haven't been altered by you?
Can you answer those questions and saying you messed up is not an answer.
Right now i put you in either 1 of 2 camps.
A. You went against the good of the town to save your own ass even when you knew a strong player like Sorian had a power role.
B. You are scum.
I put you completely in camp B.
As for answering WAMD on why i kept my vote on Style. Because everything about his role claim smelled of desperation. He first tried to get Flux to back off by painting a bullseye on his back and issuing a thinly veiled threat when asked why he thought Flux had a power role he essentially said well if you don't know you don't know. How anyone even bought into his role claim is a bit crazy if you ask me.
Then there is the death of Ty4on.
I doubt he investigated Style.
He probably investigated somebody he thought was a safeish choice, just for that person to actually be scum. I just don't see the reason why you would investigate Style, because the next day phase people would ask Style to kill off somebody and when that does not match what people voted for, he would have been caught in his own lies.
So that is all my thoughts on the 2 deaths that took place and the 1 blocked kill on Style.
flatearthpandas
Member
It's holiday tomorrow so I can't really jump in now and maybe not until tomorrow but here's a quick thing, just to Black Buzzard above me.
If Tyrion suicided finding scum, we wouldn't expect Style to be able to save him. As far as saving Sorian versus himself, I find all the shit here very disingenuous. I said as much yesterday, save yourself if you are town. It's generally good town play, especially if it is between you and someone you don't know is town. I felt pretty good about Sorian last night but all this Sorian was VIP baloney is ringing so false. I need to sort out my thoughts here later because it isn't like I am town reading Style, but I don't like our current tone.
If Tyrion suicided finding scum, we wouldn't expect Style to be able to save him. As far as saving Sorian versus himself, I find all the shit here very disingenuous. I said as much yesterday, save yourself if you are town. It's generally good town play, especially if it is between you and someone you don't know is town. I felt pretty good about Sorian last night but all this Sorian was VIP baloney is ringing so false. I need to sort out my thoughts here later because it isn't like I am town reading Style, but I don't like our current tone.
flatearthpandas
Member
Well, it wasn't really just to Buzzard. The first part was, about Ty4on.
flatearthpandas
Member
And I reread and saw that I misread. Shutting up until I can focus.
Matt Attack
Member
I agree almost 100%, only I actually am starting to think Style is town. He was a very popular suspect yesterday (and for pretty good reason), and he seems even more likely to be lynched today... There are just way too many people who seem on board with the lynch for me to think that scum isn't involved. Unfortunately not everybody is always ready to sacrifice themselves so while it's very regrettable we lost Sorian, I don't think the fact that Style saved himself is necessarily incriminating.
Why would Style even say that he had a choice if he was scum anyway? FEP pointed out above why it's unlikely Ty4on would have counted as somebody Style could have saved, so what is there to gain from making himself look bad by saying that he saved himself? Better for scum to say that he chose not to try to save somebody that night imo. More likely that Style is town and saved himself upon using his ability, like he said. I'm not advocating that move but it's what I think happened.
If someone was marked to die, it was sure it was town. Mafia wouldn't target themselves with a 50% choice of killing a teammate during the first night. Even more after just loosing a partner. So no, Style had to know that the other target was sure town.
I also find this strange:
I don't think a reviver work like this. He should be informed of every kill, even Ty. I find it strange that he said that he wasn't informed. I don't know what he want's to cover.
flatearthpandas
Member
Two kills indicates a Serial Killer or town vig to me D1. Meaning second target can easily be scum. Sure, if Style is actually our vig, unlikely there's another one. But I certainly wouldn't be surprised to find there is one. We'll find out soon enough at any rate.
Also, again, I don't think Ty4on would show up on a kill list if he died from targeting scum. He isn't a kill target then, it's just the consequence of his non-kill action.
flatearthpandas
Member
Wouldn't be surprised to find out there is a SK, that is. Don't expect two vig. Not too worried about this though, as we'll likely find out by tomorrow regardless.
More interested in the reactions we've had. I haven't decided my feelings on Style, but I'll get this moving. Reasons to follow later.
Vote: StarSketch
More interested in the reactions we've had. I haven't decided my feelings on Style, but I'll get this moving. Reasons to follow later.
Vote: StarSketch
Matt Attack
Member
I don't know think my read list was too much more "non-committed" than anybody else's at the time... I mean yeah, almost everybody on my list had a "Null" at the beginning of their read, but very few people were only null. I tried to say which direction I thought everybody leaned- and yes, that is my style. "Null, leaning..." is pretty much how I've been doing my early reads lists for a while now. You can check my previous games if you'd like to see proof of that. I simply like to leave the null marker on people unless I'm feeling really confident about them.
Also before you compare my posts to StarSketch's, see how much more content mine tend to have in comparison to hers. I don't have anything like "rip ouro", and I try to at least take some sort of stance in just about every post I make. Post count is not everything, please consider the content of posts. I'm unable to post much atm for various reasons, but I at least try to make them count.
Where does Sorian say that it would work vice versa? Even if FEP is town, why couldn't I have simply been a townie who had an incorrect read in FEP? The only problem arises is if we're both scum, in which case my actions in regards to FEP would have made no sense. Otherwise I'm either a townie making a correct read, a townie making a wrong one, or a scum player trying to frame a townie FEP.
flatearthpandas
Member
Zippedpinhead
Member
Ok, im caught up.
So Sorian and Ty4on? Tragic. Gossips are very useful. But what about the weak cop?
I see all the Style shade, and one vote. But never a defense. Never a "I did this because I thought someone would kill me and whoops". Our best indication from Ty4on is that style would have been investigated only if he thought style was more town Then scum. So unless style did something I don't think Ty4on died from investigating HIM.
I think it's far more likely Ty4on died from investigating someone else. There is the odd possibility that scum/neutral have a second night kil BUT at this point we have to assume that Style': death was related to his role and not to someone else. If there are two deaths tonight, then we learn that style likely did not get investigate killed.
Scum obviously felt it was better for Sorian to be dead, and killed him. I can see a neutral killing him, but only if their win condition depended on it. Best way for a neutral to hide is behind big townie players.
So my big assumptions for the day: Sorian was killed by Scum & Ty4on died of investigation.
A second murder tonight will throw the second assumption out and replace it with
Scum or neutral player have a second kill ability (limited or otherwise))
That's my thought process.
Now who had the most to gain from sorian's death?
So Sorian and Ty4on? Tragic. Gossips are very useful. But what about the weak cop?
I see all the Style shade, and one vote. But never a defense. Never a "I did this because I thought someone would kill me and whoops". Our best indication from Ty4on is that style would have been investigated only if he thought style was more town Then scum. So unless style did something I don't think Ty4on died from investigating HIM.
I think it's far more likely Ty4on died from investigating someone else. There is the odd possibility that scum/neutral have a second night kil BUT at this point we have to assume that Style': death was related to his role and not to someone else. If there are two deaths tonight, then we learn that style likely did not get investigate killed.
Scum obviously felt it was better for Sorian to be dead, and killed him. I can see a neutral killing him, but only if their win condition depended on it. Best way for a neutral to hide is behind big townie players.
So my big assumptions for the day: Sorian was killed by Scum & Ty4on died of investigation.
A second murder tonight will throw the second assumption out and replace it with
Scum or neutral player have a second kill ability (limited or otherwise))
That's my thought process.
Now who had the most to gain from sorian's death?
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
It's not just conflating inactivity with scum; it's conflating the hand waving of someone's inactivity while damning someone else for it that usually makes me raise an eyebrow.
Apologies in advance, but what
What could possibly make you think Style is Town? Do you really believe that crock about "choosing to save himself over Sorian?" it's an obvious ploy to deflect suspicion. Immediately after the day started he posted this and later followed up with this.
These aren't the posts of a town trying to save himself; it's a scum player realizing he's completely and utterly lost, but is trying to create carnage and throw us off our game. This is a slam dunk, let's not mess this up here.
Matt Attack
Member
Again, why would he let us know he even had a choice if he was actually interested in deflecting suspicion? If Sorian had died and he'd simply said he didn't attempt to use his one-shot protective ability, so as to save it for a more crucial moment in the game, it would have been much easier for him to avoid being lynched today. Notice that in post #996, 11037's initial assumption is that the night's results occurred as they did due to Style not using either of his actions. But in the end, he specifically said that he could have saved either himself or Sorian, and he chose himself. If Style is town, this is him telling the truth even though he's aware that he didn't make a popular decision. If Style is scum, then this is literally him lying to make himself look suspicious, and doing so extraordinarily well. Why? As it stands, Style's side of the story requires the least suspension of disbelief for me.
Bah, fair point. But then again, him being upfront about what went down does at least give him a chance to slip through our fingers as we endlessly argue over the specifics of what happened.
There's no way he's town. Scum or Neutral, imo.
flatearthpandas
Member
The thing is, he slips through for like, one day max. This early in the game that isn't a huge deal, especially when we've caught a shadow already. Not trying to jump on a defense but we have time to look around as well
He already got his slip through for one day. If he isn't lying about his powers then the only one he has left is a free kill which could be dangerous.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Seriously. Even if he's telling the truth and he's town, he admitted to letting our best player die. And he still has a free kill. Does anyone actually trust him at this point to make a proper choice on who to use that kill on?
And that's if he's town. If not, we're just letting scum live.
No matter his allegiance, he needs to be lynched today. He's too dangerous to let live.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Why would a scum Sorian invite the least trusted player to his private chat? A townie Style would have to consider this. What benefit would it give him?
And (correct me if I'm wrong) isn't the role of a town player to act in a way that best benefits the town? A town-Style
voting to save his own neck over Sorian (and Sorian with a power role) is acting against the town's interests. He needs to pay for that.
Style was on a boat out the moment he role claimed and it came up Jokers. No reasonable scum mate would defend his actions today unless they wanted to be the second coming when he flips. As for being the most suspect, I have no reasons not to suspect him and all of yesterday to.
Okay, this doesn't absolve Style of anything, and I'm hesitant to believe him either way.
Very likely that scenario happened, we'll see later on.
I want to use the whole day to look around too but Style gives us nothing past today. There will be the same wavering, the same 'I saved myself' and the same defense. I don't buy it, and if anyone else does you've got today to try and convince me.
Matt Attack
Member
On Style being a neutral: It's definitely possible... but unlikely. You just have to extend the same reasoning I'm using for why I think Style probably isn't scum: why did he disclose so much? During his initial role claim, he didn't need to include the fact that he could not only save someone, but kill someone as well. That information would make him appear dangerous- and I can't imagine a neutral would want to let that fact out as a result. It is possible he screwed up here, but I personally think the odds of that are not that high. The fact that he does have a killing ability though does mean that, of the town members, he would presumably be the least unfortunate mislynch- if he were to use the ability and mess up, it would not be a good thing.
The ideal town player acts in the most pro-town way possible. Unfortunately, you will find that very few players live up to that ideal. Mafia is a game that necessarily involves both being wrong about things and doing the wrong things.
It is not a good feeling to find out that the "110% sure scum, no doubt about it" player you bet everything on was town all along (the final few days of Ace Attorney mafia haunt me to this day), but it happens. Similarly, not everybody will use their power in the most ideal manner. But to insinuate that somebody needs to "pay" for screwing up, as if alignment-blind vengeance is ever an acceptable cause to lynch somebody, is an absurd and worrying notion. If Style flips scum, am I next on the chopping block, as Verelios seems to imply in the post above mine? Is it now a crime to not play in the most totally optimal fashion, to be incorrect in hindsight? What if I am lynched next, and I flip town? Everybody who will have voted for me will be responsible for lynching a townie, and therefore actively working against the interests of town. Is that a lynchable offense?
The ideal town player acts in the most pro-town way possible. Unfortunately, you will find that very few players live up to that ideal. Mafia is a game that necessarily involves both being wrong about things and doing the wrong things.
It is not a good feeling to find out that the "110% sure scum, no doubt about it" player you bet everything on was town all along (the final few days of Ace Attorney mafia haunt me to this day), but it happens. Similarly, not everybody will use their power in the most ideal manner. But to insinuate that somebody needs to "pay" for screwing up, as if alignment-blind vengeance is ever an acceptable cause to lynch somebody, is an absurd and worrying notion. If Style flips scum, am I next on the chopping block, as Verelios seems to imply in the post above mine? Is it now a crime to not play in the most totally optimal fashion, to be incorrect in hindsight? What if I am lynched next, and I flip town? Everybody who will have voted for me will be responsible for lynching a townie, and therefore actively working against the interests of town. Is that a lynchable offense?
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
To the hypotheticals you list above: no, of course not.
But he acted in a way that was grossly against our best interests. It wasn't just a small mistake. I'm new, and God knows I'm bound to make a ton of mistakes. But if I make one that big, I would absolutely deserve to be lynched right away.
But maybe that's just a thirst for vengeance borne from lack of experience on my part.
Either way, barring some unbelievable new development, my vote stays on Style.
But he acted in a way that was grossly against our best interests. It wasn't just a small mistake. I'm new, and God knows I'm bound to make a ton of mistakes. But if I make one that big, I would absolutely deserve to be lynched right away.
But maybe that's just a thirst for vengeance borne from lack of experience on my part.
Either way, barring some unbelievable new development, my vote stays on Style.
You're making a lot of assumptions Matt Attack but I'll go along with you for now. First, it's entirely possible Style gave up accurate information, it's also entirely possible he just said whatever could extricate him from the lynch pin, you can believe the former and I'll believe the latter. But so long as he stays alive, we'll have uncertainty and a lynch topic to distract others from, do you agree or disagree?
Secondly, no one is paying for screwing up, we all make mistakes in judgment and Mafia is a game of both logic and emotion, naturally we're not always right. Style did a role claim I don't believe and we had a night that solidified my stance. Him not picking Sorian over himself is beside the point, whether that's really how it went down, I don't know.
Third, defending a Style lynch isn't instantly a qualifier for scum, I believe that I previously said scum would most want to divorce themselves from the lynch, however if you're not going to give convincing reasons for why Style shouldn't be lynched then yes, you're suspect.
Secondly, no one is paying for screwing up, we all make mistakes in judgment and Mafia is a game of both logic and emotion, naturally we're not always right. Style did a role claim I don't believe and we had a night that solidified my stance. Him not picking Sorian over himself is beside the point, whether that's really how it went down, I don't know.
Third, defending a Style lynch isn't instantly a qualifier for scum, I believe that I previously said scum would most want to divorce themselves from the lynch, however if you're not going to give convincing reasons for why Style shouldn't be lynched then yes, you're suspect.
Hyperactivity
Banned
FEP, your point about only knowing they you yourself are town is a good one that I hadn't considered, but in this scenario style getting lynched was nigh guaranteed
I'm moving back to my original theory. I trust Ty4on to have made some pretty good reads and likely trying to play his role by investigating lower activity players he could confirm as being town. Style likely had a power that allowed scum to make an extra kill of some sort
Think about it for a second. According to style, scum or a neutral or a vigilante targeted him last night. Both scum and the neutral know that style is lynched today, why would they go after him? As for a vigilante, and vigilante should have known not to shoot last night, because even if they wanted to play Mr. Hero any power style wanted to use would be the default and worst case they fuck it up hard for town
This scenario is yoo sinple. It's like in final fantasy, someone posted this:
And I think it applies well here (for reference, that's a townie addressing a scum that claimed cop day 1. This was day 3. We had lynched the cop day 2.)
The reason the decision to spare style yesterday was so unanimous was because his claim lent itself too well to the obvious move we made. And the plan we agreed to detailed that EVEN if something else I'd at play here, if a kill occurs tonight, style needs to be lynched. Should we spare him, he becomes a question mark for the rest of the game for others to distract obto, even of he is town
What's more, between his vote and his seemingly defeated attitude at the beginning of the day, and it's pretty obvious that not only does leaving style alive delay addressing a major point if contention, avoids lynching a suspicious player, and disregards the GIMME in front of us
I'm moving back to my original theory. I trust Ty4on to have made some pretty good reads and likely trying to play his role by investigating lower activity players he could confirm as being town. Style likely had a power that allowed scum to make an extra kill of some sort
Think about it for a second. According to style, scum or a neutral or a vigilante targeted him last night. Both scum and the neutral know that style is lynched today, why would they go after him? As for a vigilante, and vigilante should have known not to shoot last night, because even if they wanted to play Mr. Hero any power style wanted to use would be the default and worst case they fuck it up hard for town
This scenario is yoo sinple. It's like in final fantasy, someone posted this:
And I think it applies well here (for reference, that's a townie addressing a scum that claimed cop day 1. This was day 3. We had lynched the cop day 2.)
The reason the decision to spare style yesterday was so unanimous was because his claim lent itself too well to the obvious move we made. And the plan we agreed to detailed that EVEN if something else I'd at play here, if a kill occurs tonight, style needs to be lynched. Should we spare him, he becomes a question mark for the rest of the game for others to distract obto, even of he is town
What's more, between his vote and his seemingly defeated attitude at the beginning of the day, and it's pretty obvious that not only does leaving style alive delay addressing a major point if contention, avoids lynching a suspicious player, and disregards the GIMME in front of us
Hyperactivity
Banned
If we have to discuss this lets do so, I don't want this current bs where people come out and pretend they were somehow always onboard or always aware of what happened while chiding everyone else at that same time
There are way too many people who didn't vote for theexodu5 throwing out accusations right now...
Hyperactivity
Banned
Key distinct action to be made is TRYING
Oh boy here we go...
Never stated he contributed much, just that his posts felt like he was trying to contribute
Yet when it comes down to it, he ended up being instrumental to his Lynch even though had I just left my vote on exmachina64 instead of trying to make sure everyone was forced to vote, exmachoba64 would be lynched with the lead as flux and verelios likely would be abstained and Sorian had pledged not to cause a tie
A. Yeah, I'm not going to make an opinion on someone whose posts I haven't been putting much attention into. While I was making that reads list, if I came to someone and couldn't think much of them off the top of my head as null
B. Ty4on has played this way before, I know coming into the game that he and Sorian can contribute, forget me town or scum reading them, they're not getting lynched day 1 regardless and Im not going to be able to assuredly decide on the attitude behind their posts on day 1
Besides, my eyes were glaze ng over when I was first looking over his posts, I was trying to quickly skim over the thread and catch up at that point. Fact is, it wouldnt be efficient to take a detailed look at a player who posts large posts and isn't on my consideration list for a lunch that day anyways
Go back and look at the timestamps on posts 972, 977, 978, and 980.
Ill tell you that I got caught by the 1 minute timer GAF has and that I had 23 seconds to vote while the timer was down to 35, and ask if you seriously believe that I had the time in under a minute to process the vote and then decide I needed to bus, then ask if it was ever seriously to my benefit to focus so hard on the alignments of verelios and flux despite the fact that has I decided to peace out after voting machina, theExodu5 would likely still be here
Yeah, because I'm seeing way too much of "Sorian was our best player and now is confirmed town, his reads are canon". The only thing we can assuredly know from that is that he was on the same page as the majority of us
Think about this for a second: IT IS SCUM THAT POSSESS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, TOWN ARE IN THE DARK
My issue is with you and plop seemingly not thinking for yourselves and being all too willing to follow in the footsteps of someone who was only there for day 1 like sad little puppies
Ffs think for yourselves
Hyperactivity
Banned
My original opinion of you was detailed back with my other reads on page 15, the reads list I gave today is solely based on my last reads list plus the vote analysis/analysis of TgeExodu5 I did earlier. That's why everyone in yesterday's null list that I didn't mention stayed ther
This one? I have 100pp so I'm not to sure. If it's this one, I already corrected your point about plop. And there is not much I can say. I'm really giving a lot less of hypotheticals that I use to do, because I don't want to overwhelm the rest of the players (and I'm usually wrong also). I'm usually aggresive when I want to force another player to talk so I can get reads. I don't like to discuss roles in the first day, it only helps scum. I'm not to fond of voting shenanigans either, scum can coordinate between them and us can't, we are in a clear dissadvantage.
Here is what I said about plop.
flatearthpandas
Member
Setting aside style for now.
I think we have at least one more scum on the machina vote. A lot of people look bad here. Exo and mach tied 2-2. Mach breaks toward exo. Star leaps in to tie it up. PK breaks toward exo, vanguard leaps in to tie it back. Fran breaks toward mach, hyper begins fucking with everyone, pushing the mach lead into an exo lead, and then style comes in to tie it back up. Lots of reactionary, lots of suspicious people. Star, fran, style come out looking worst. I lean toward scum Star here. Her play has been light and while Exo had to give lipservice to her inactivity since he was chasing it, i never felt like she was a target for him. Both seemed to excuse each other whenever there was an opportunity. That said, we still have style here not doing himself any favors.
We could have scum on the exodu5 vote as well. Most likely would be me (it isn't), machina himself, hyper, or flux. I don't think PK because he broke an early tie toward exodu5 and left it there, which would not be in scum's interest. Machina next least because he's actually pretty early on that train. Catching heat and deflecting onto a scum buddy at that stage would be strange. Exo and mach both only had two votes. PK was still at least tied. Flux tried to break out toward PK, which actually gives me townie feeling. I don't think mach is scum and so scum flux could have broke that way instead of waffling around and then bussing. But then, if there are already a few scum there, the bus might seem more appealing. That said, flux breaks the last tie. I could theoretically have been caught on some manufactured shade. Hyper was openly preferring the mach lynch and could as easily have been caught in the actual results of pushing people into votes. I feel decent about everyone though, would lean toward scum flux if I had to choose one.
The PK vote. Vote wise, PK is technically a contender during these shenanigans. He actually has the lead until mach jumps onto exo. Plop and natiko both sit on him, keeping him quasi viable even at the end. I think one of these two is likely scum.
I think we have at least one more scum on the machina vote. A lot of people look bad here. Exo and mach tied 2-2. Mach breaks toward exo. Star leaps in to tie it up. PK breaks toward exo, vanguard leaps in to tie it back. Fran breaks toward mach, hyper begins fucking with everyone, pushing the mach lead into an exo lead, and then style comes in to tie it back up. Lots of reactionary, lots of suspicious people. Star, fran, style come out looking worst. I lean toward scum Star here. Her play has been light and while Exo had to give lipservice to her inactivity since he was chasing it, i never felt like she was a target for him. Both seemed to excuse each other whenever there was an opportunity. That said, we still have style here not doing himself any favors.
We could have scum on the exodu5 vote as well. Most likely would be me (it isn't), machina himself, hyper, or flux. I don't think PK because he broke an early tie toward exodu5 and left it there, which would not be in scum's interest. Machina next least because he's actually pretty early on that train. Catching heat and deflecting onto a scum buddy at that stage would be strange. Exo and mach both only had two votes. PK was still at least tied. Flux tried to break out toward PK, which actually gives me townie feeling. I don't think mach is scum and so scum flux could have broke that way instead of waffling around and then bussing. But then, if there are already a few scum there, the bus might seem more appealing. That said, flux breaks the last tie. I could theoretically have been caught on some manufactured shade. Hyper was openly preferring the mach lynch and could as easily have been caught in the actual results of pushing people into votes. I feel decent about everyone though, would lean toward scum flux if I had to choose one.
The PK vote. Vote wise, PK is technically a contender during these shenanigans. He actually has the lead until mach jumps onto exo. Plop and natiko both sit on him, keeping him quasi viable even at the end. I think one of these two is likely scum.
Where exactly do you get the idea that I'm not thinking for myself? Sorian didn't call you out, he never dug in on BlackBuzzard, nor did he connect you all and connect it to TheExodu5. Seems a bit of a reach on your part to act like I'm just regurgitating someone else's thoughts. You may not agree with them, but they are my own. Maybe you aren't scum, it's not like you're my number one suspect here. You do seem to be siding with people I suspect though and are eager to push the conversation away from them and to franconp (a person I do not understand your suspicion of).
I unfortunately was not available for the day end due to work. I may be this week due to the holiday but generally it's just at a bad time for me. My suspicion of PK Gaming has lessened. A lot of it was due to him being silent then suddenly posting a lot once he had some suspicion on him and being overly aggressive while doing so. I would have voted TheExodu5 when it was time to cast a vote in order to avoid a tie. I was leaning scum on him and I had already town read exmachina, a read I still stick with.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I agree with FEP in that there's at least one more scum to be found in the exmachina64 vote. I also highly disagree with your statement about voting shenanigans; as someone who was lynched at the last minute as scum thrice, major voting changes near the end of the day are not easy to coordinate whatsoever. In the panic, scum have to operate more on their own: minutes and seconds count, so they can't be checking the scum chat constantly
My read on you clearly referenced by FEP and flux reads: ie the plop post wasn't the only one that made me feel as though you were poking for a reason to find something wrong with another player rather than a reason why someone might be scum. Your defense and current posts from today have done little to allieve me of my suspicion
VOTE: franconp
Consider this a statement of intent. Style is still the target yoday, but I feel confident in saying that you are scum
flatearthpandas
Member
I hate looking for breadcrumbs. If ty left indication of his target I don't see it.
Maybe one of these but wtf knows.
My current reads:
Town:
PK
Machina
Leaning town:
Verelios
Matt Attack
Hyper
Null:
Dragonz
Flux
Buzzard
Fran
Natico
11037
Leaning scum:
Style
Plop
Zipped
Scum:
Star
Vanguard
Haven't talked much about verelios or zipped, but these are mostly gut.
Maybe one of these but wtf knows.
My current reads:
Town:
PK
Machina
Leaning town:
Verelios
Matt Attack
Hyper
Null:
Dragonz
Flux
Buzzard
Fran
Natico
11037
Leaning scum:
Style
Plop
Zipped
Scum:
Star
Vanguard
Haven't talked much about verelios or zipped, but these are mostly gut.