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[Luckett_X]

MolyneuxTon: It makes him stutter!

I know Nintendo wanted to keep this controller under their hats until the last minute, but if an industry "veteran" such as Molyneux still hadnt seen it yet or even got to grips with it, I am pretty curious as to how any 3rd party developer is going to be even vaguely ready for a supposed Summer 2006 launch.

It was easy for companies to hurl out DS games at quick notice, as that required just taking half finished GBA projects and adding some touch screen nonsense to them. We're STILL seeing that even now, a year+ into the systems launch. The same can't be achieved with Revolution, especially if its going to be weaker than the X360, which makes simple ports less likely.

Nintendo needs to learn that secrecy is fun for a while, but not when its going to repeatedly hurt them in the long run.

 

[Mrbob]

Talk is cheap. I need to see the goods in motion. I look forward to E3 2006.

If the Revolution is everything it is cracked up to be I'll be there on day one.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Although Dungeon Keeper lacked the multiplayer elements it promised, I for one still thought it was a blast to play.

 

[Wollan]

who cares what he promised Dungeon Keeper 1 & 2 were both fucking great!

QFT

Man, I can't fucking wait for the Revolution! I don't swear alot but this was needed.

 

[pollo]

Populous sucked
Black and White sucked
therefore --> Peter Molyneux sucks. Horribly overrated

 

[Unison]

Yeah, Dungeon Keeper wasn't horrible when it came out. I can't lie there. It was decent for what it is. I just wish it was what it was supposed to be. To me a true AAA game designer would push things forward. PM doesn't really do that, except in theory. The finished products don't stand out from the crowd, really, these days.

At least DK was good, despite not living up to the hype. I can't say the same for B&W or Fable though. They were pretty lame games when it was all said & done, which made the years of hype all the more insulting.

Oh, I guess B.C. would be another reason to be annoyed w/ PM. Yeah, it's probably going to show up some time on the 360, but who knows when and in what form.

 

[littlewig]

I don't even know why half you guys are bashing the guy, another thread, another time, gentlemen.

It's great to see a lot developers are falling in love with the Revolution, it's going to be great.

Huge support lies in the future for Nintendo.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Talk is cheap.

Someone should tell Peter M this. That's about all he's good for. Talk.

 

[borghe]

B&W wasn't what it should have been.. B&W2 is what B&W should have been, and as others have said much better than reviewers would have you believe.

Dungeon Keeper was spot on.. Was it revolutionary? no, but it was a unique take on the god game genre.

Molyneux isn't a Will Wright or even a Miyamoto, but he is definitely a Meier and a Suzuki.

edit - and I am certainly more interested in hearing what he has to say than the head of Epic, EA, or Rockstar. THAT'S for sure. Hearing those other guys talk about gaming is like hearing McG talk about filmmaking.

 

[Error]

typical Luckett post

:lol you don't give up do ya?

 

[Diffense]

lol...Nintendo haters are more comical than the fans.

Revmote ftw.

 

[soundwave05]

I think on Revolution you'll see fewer multiplatform titles than the GCN had, but more exclusive third party projects than GCN got.

Which is more than fine by me.

 

[littlewig]

I think on Revolution you'll see fewer multiplatform titles than the GCN had, but more exclusive third party projects than GCN got.

Which is more than fine by me.

There'll be more Revolution exclusive than any other system simple for the fact that companies are going to be porting many titles between the Xbox360 and PS3, regardless of the controller.

Now add in the fact that a lot of these developers are creaming their pants to develop for the Revolution, it's pretty much gaurenteed.

 

[Luckett_X]

:lol you don't give up do ya?

Try actually responding to my points instead of grunting like an unfathomable troll next time, and maybe then we'll have some 'discussion' here.

I'm interested by the controller, but a piece of hardware doesnt interest me unless there are good games for it. By still witholding specs and leaving devs into the dark up until recently, that doesnt really help lots of good quality games appear from thin air.

Otherwise this might be the shortest Revolution in history [/lolstarwarsgeek]

 

[soundwave05]

There'll be more Revolution exclusive than any other system simple for the fact that companies are going to be porting many titles between the Xbox360 and PS3, regardless of the controller.

Now add in the fact that a lot of these developers are creaming their pants to develop for the Revolution, it's pretty much gaurenteed.

I was speaking more in the realtion to the GCN, which did actually have a lot of third party games ... just not a whole lot of them were exclusive or made for the GCN in mind.

 

[littlewig]

Try actually responding to my points instead of grunting like an unfathomable troll next time, and maybe then we'll have some 'discussion' here.

I'm interested by the controller, but a piece of hardware doesnt interest me unless there are good games for it. By still witholding specs and leaving devs into the dark up until recently, that doesnt really help lots of good quality games appear from thin air.

Otherwise this might be the shortest Revolution in history [/lolstarwarsgeek]

You have no point though. You are under the delusion that developers aren't excited about the system and that for some reason they won't make games for the system once they get full development kits.

Face the fact, once development kits are out and everything is known about the system, the games will be pouring in.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Face the fact, once development kits are out and everything is known about the system, the games will be pouring in.

I'm not sure "pouring in" is the choice of words i'd make, oh junior member.

 

[Error]

Try actually responding to my points instead of grunting like an unfathomable troll next time, and maybe then we'll have some 'discussion' here.

I'm interested by the controller, but a piece of hardware doesnt interest me unless there are good games for it. By still witholding specs and leaving devs into the dark up until recently, that doesnt really help lots of good quality games appear from thin air.

Otherwise this might be the shortest Revolution in history [/lolstarwarsgeek]

I would respond but then I see posts like this one by you....

If Nintendo became dominant again, Gaming would become a geekier kiddy thing again and the market would infact start to shrink as opposed to grow.

why bother?

 

[imastalker co.]

i don't understand why some of you guys are in deniel about the support Revolution has.

i've been saying it forever, anyone that matters is supporting this thing on principle alone. like i said, prepare to be shocked when you see the actual line up of developers actually making games.

 

[Minotauro]

I think I could've scripted this entire thread after just reading the first post. Really, you've all played your parts to a tee. Bravo, gentlemen.

 

[jman2050]

i don't understand why some of you guys are in deniel about the support Revolution has.

i've been saying it forever, anyone that matters is supporting this thing on principle alone. like i said, prepare to be shocked when you see the actual line up of developers actually making games.

You were deemed unreliable after the E3 fiasco, remember?

I'm quite interested to see who's making games, but I'm not holding my breath. Not yet anyway.

 

[Sinatar]

I realize this is said in every PM thread, and yet people never seem to catch on, but I guess I'll do it this thread.


Peter. Molyneux. Did. Not. Design. Produce. Or in any way shape or form. Develop. FABLE.

Lionhead != Big Blue Box. He was their PR monkey, nothing more.

 

[Drek]

Molyneux making a Rev. game would be fucking awesome.

 

[littlewig]

I realize this is said in every PM thread, and yet people never seem to catch on, but I guess I'll do it this thread.


Peter. Molyneux. Did. Not. Design. Produce. Or in any way shape or form. Develop. FABLE.

Lionhead != Big Blue Box. He was their PR monkey, nothing more.

PM has been redeemed! Or not...

 

[AniHawk]

You were deemed unreliable after the E3 fiasco, remember?

By people who jumped to conclusions everywhere.

I think he might've known something, because he wasn't the only one surprised at the E3 show (which seemed rushed and filled with unnecessary crap like Electroplankton and Nintendogs).

Who's to say for sure though. I can't read minds ...Yet.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

I realize this is said in every PM thread, and yet people never seem to catch on, but I guess I'll do it this thread.


Peter. Molyneux. Did. Not. Design. Produce. Or in any way shape or form. Develop. FABLE.

Lionhead != Big Blue Box. He was their PR monkey, nothing more.

From everything I have read, Peter was involved with Fable. How much so is debatable. He wasn't just on the sidelines reading PR.

BBB is a sattelite studio of Lionhead. They are related. Peter has involvement in both I am sure.

 

[imastalker co.]

You were deemed unreliable after the E3 fiasco, remember?

what the?! are you serious?! i must have missed the thread. ; )

 

[littlewig]

what the?! are you serious?! i must have missed the thread.

Maybe he meant after TGS, with the whole controller fiasco...

 

[jman2050]

what the?! are you serious?! i must have missed the thread.

You know, I was attempting to be sarcastic, but rereading my post, I completely and totally failed -_-

By people who jumped to conclusions everywhere.

I think he might've known something, because he wasn't the only one surprised at the E3 show (which seemed rushed and filled with unnecessary crap like Electroplankton and Nintendogs).

Who's to say for sure though. I can't read minds ...Yet.

Oh, I don't find him unreliable. The reasons why E3 might've happened the way they did are valid. It was more a jab at him asking why people weren't listening to him, which I interpreted to be him asking for the obvious

 

[imastalker co.]

apparently the sarcasm didn't register.

no biggie, it's text after all.

 

[8bit]

who cares what he promised Dungeon Keeper 1 & 2 were both fucking great!

Absolutely. I don't really care much for his recent output, but Dungeon Keeper is one of my most fond gaming memories of all time. Building an army of monsters, then possessing an orc and leading them into battle was an amazing experience at the time. Especially turning around to see the amassed throngs hanging on your every command.

 

[Redbeard]

i don't understand why some of you guys are in deniel about the support Revolution has.

i've been saying it forever, anyone that matters is supporting this thing on principle alone. like i said, prepare to be shocked when you see the actual line up of developers actually making games.

Don't they always have a good lineup of support in the beginning? Gamecube did (including Lionhead).

Anyway it remains to be seen just what kinds of games they're going to be making. Will fans of epic, atmospheric, narrative-driven games have any reason to care or will the lineup be full of smallish experimental non-games?

I'm more interested in what the power of the new consoles will allow as far as AI and simulations. Project Ego can finally be made the way it should be.

 

[God's Hand]

I'm still playing B&W2. Already beat it, now I'm just building a massive city just because it's so fun. Not sure why everyone hates it.

 

[borghe]

From everything I have read, Peter was involved with Fable. How much so is debatable. He wasn't just on the sidelines reading PR.

BBB is a sattelite studio of Lionhead. They are related. Peter has involvement in both I am sure.

This is 100% incorrect. During fable has was/is DIRECTLY working on B&W2 and The Movies. He only served as company figurehead for Fable.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

This is 100% incorrect. During fable has was/is DIRECTLY working on B&W2 and The Movies. He only served as company figurehead for Fable.

You think? You don't think Peter had any involvement at any level creatively for ideas in Fable? He was 100% never involved?

I find that very hard to believe, and what I said is my opinion. If you know the facts, back them up with real proof please. Otherwise, you can keep your 100% incorrect bullshit "pseudo fact" to yourself.

 

[Sinatar]

You think? You don't think Peter had any involvement at any level creatively for ideas in Fable? He was 100% never involved?

I find that very hard to believe, and what I said is my opinion. If you know the facts, back them up with real proof please. Otherwise, you can keep your 100% incorrect bullshit "pseudo fact" to yourself.

I don't really feel like going through 3 years of forum posts from BBB employees, but if you want to siphon through their forums you can find several instances of the developers saying PM has nothing to do with the game.

 

[imastalker co.]

Don't they always have a good lineup of support in the beginning? Gamecube did (including Lionhead).

i see what you mean. console makers always show off their list of developers who are on board. but just because they signed on for game development, doesn't mean they will make games. i mean, Treasure never made an xbox game, and chances are, they won't make a 360 one either. just like your example of Lionhead and GameCube (although Unity was in development for a good amount of time before it got cancelled, but i definitely see your point).

so yeah, i know what you mean. having said that, im not reffering to developers that have pledged support, but developers that are actually working on stuff, and in the planning stages.

whatever though, don't take my word for it (as im sure you all won't). but to that i say, the proof is in the pudding, and it's only a matter of time before you see how far along things are.

i've been saying it forever... support is there on principle alone, and it's finally starting to show.

 

[borghe]

You think? You don't think Peter had any involvement at any level creatively for ideas in Fable? He was 100% never involved?

I find that very hard to believe, and what I said is my opinion. If you know the facts, back them up with real proof please. Otherwise, you can keep your 100% incorrect bullshit "pseudo fact" to yourself.

oh, I'm sure he might have made a general comment here and there to some of the project leads at BBB, but as has been said he never took any sort of ACTIVE role in the development of the game.

I'm sure Iwata has made comments to Miyamoto and other Nintendo project leads on games they've been working on, but that doesn't mean he worked on the games.

 

[Hydro_Alexis]

after watching that interview, he obviously seems very excited about making games for it. dude couldn't stop stuttering

:lol

The hype continues.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

I don't really feel like going through 3 years of forum posts from BBB employees, but if you want to siphon through their forums you can find several instances of the developers saying PM has nothing to do with the game.

It "may" be true, but I have a hard time believing it unless I was presented with indisputable proof. I've learned over the years not to just simply trust what some poster on a forum says. I'm not saying it's false, I'm just saying it's very hard to believe.

I also have learned over the years not to present something as a fact unless I can back it up.

 

[_PsiFire_]

"I would love to be do something for it" does not equal he is doing something for it, heh.

I mean, I'd love to sleep with Natalie Portman, but uhh, that doesn't mean Im going to.

Peter Molyneux has the ability to do what he says though..

You, on the other hand, have no chance with Natalie Portman..

See the difference I'm getting at?

 

[borghe]

Peter Molyneux has the ability to do what he says though..

You, on the other hand, have no chance with Natalie Portman..

See the difference I'm getting at?

Post of the week.

And with this post, a million dreams are crushed.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Peter Molyneux has the ability to do some of what he says though..

Fixed

Some of his ideas are so fucking pie in the sky bullshit, that when I have heard them in the past, I just laughed knowing the complexity of what he is suggesting is asinine with today's resources.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

i've been saying it forever... support is there on principle alone, and it's finally starting to show.

Show where? So far all we've heard are a few developers talking about the controller a bit and saying that it offers som interesting elments to game play (ior in the case of Mark Rein, that's stupid) But I haven't seen any developers say we're making Rev games. They are all waiting to hear more about the hardware first.

Now I'm not saying there aren't developers who are already creating games or planning them, but aside from the big boys who publish on all the systems, I haven't seen a list of developers who are jumping on the Rev bandwagon. There just isn't enough information yet for them to do so, and when they look at the performance of the GC this generation, they are taking a wait and see approach. Sure, EA will say they are going to support it, but you can bet they aren't lining up all the games for Rev that they are for the PS3 and Xbox 360 for no other reasons that they need to evaluate the hardware, figure out the controller, and have Nintendo prove that it isn't losing marketshare and becoming a bit player.

 

[svenuce]

There isn't a game from his Bullfrog days or now from Lionhead that I haven't enjoyed immensely or learned something from.

His hypemeter overflowith and he dreams big dreams, but the games are always there in the end (even if they rarely deliver quite what was promised).

 

[Dr_Cogent]

There isn't a game from his Bullfrog days or now from Lionhead that I haven't enjoyed immensely or learned something from.

His hypemeter overflowith and he dreams big dreams, but the games are always there in the end (even if they rarely deliver quite what was promised).

Peter can dream all he wants, he just needs to learn when to keep his trap shut. That way, he won't disappoint anyone.

 

[_PsiFire_]

Just watched the video - if you have only read the quotes, do yourself a favour and WATCH it..

The guy is genuinely excited about the controller.. I think he made a mess of the desk he was sitting at.

No black there, just white!

 

[fresquito]

Show where? So far all we've heard are a few developers talking about the controller a bit and saying that it offers som interesting elments to game play (ior in the case of Mark Rein, that's stupid) But I haven't seen any developers say we're making Rev games. They are all waiting to hear more about the hardware first.

Now I'm not saying there aren't developers who are already creating games or planning them, but aside from the big boys who publish on all the systems, I haven't seen a list of developers who are jumping on the Rev bandwagon. There just isn't enough information yet for them to do so, and when they look at the performance of the GC this generation, they are taking a wait and see approach. Sure, EA will say they are going to support it, but you can bet they aren't lining up all the games for Rev that they are for the PS3 and Xbox 360 for no other reasons that they need to evaluate the hardware, figure out the controller, and have Nintendo prove that it isn't losing marketshare and becoming a bit player.

Nintendo themselves have only announced Smash Bros online and Metroid Prime 3. Does it mean they are working just on these games? No.

I think Nintendo is keeping its card safe, and will show them just in time, so people will be surprised. And saying Nintendo I mean Nintendo and developers supporting the console. If there haven´t been that many announcements can´t be because the games are not coming, but because they are being kept secret.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Nintendo themselves have only announced Smash Bros online and Metroid Prime 3. Does it mean they are working just on these games? No.

I think Nintendo is keeping its card safe, and will show them just in time, so people will be surprised. And saying Nintendo I mean Nintendo and developers supporting the console. If there haven´t been that many announcements can´t be because the games are not coming, but because they are being kept secret.

I completely agree, and I know this to be true. But phantomile co in his orginal post said that support was finally starting to show. Where? It's not showing any where. We've just had a few developers comment on the controller.

I could care less how many developers sign on, I won't buy a Rev either way. I also don't care if Nintendo dominates the next generation either. All I'm saying is that it's pretty hard to say that developer support is beginning to show when we really haven't heard anything yet, and by your admission, even from Nintendo.

 

[Krowley]

populous was so brilliant that i'm always waiting for him to make another great game. He may not make very many, but his best stuff is really awesome.

a god game where the rev controller serves as a virtual hand in 3d space would be pretty damn cool.