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[DSN2K]

Squeenix was crap this gen anyway, who cares. The glory days for them ended with PSX.

lots of people still going by the sales of their games.....

 

[Diomedeskun]

I see you don't keep up with most of their releases. Brave Fencer Musashi? Front Mission 4? Full Metal Alchemist? Drakengard? FF: CC? Unlimited Saga? Star Ocean?

Maybe these have their fans, but it's hard to imagine seeing them as "better than 90% of what's released". Their mediocre for the most part. And I like the PS/Nintendo consoles just fine.

Everything else on that list sucked, but Front Mission 4 was great and Star Ocean 3 is one of the largest, deepest RPGs ever. It's only real weakness comes from a ridiculous and annoying plot twist.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

*disclaimer- minor fanboy rant*

man, the FFX hate in the last two years is pretty surprising. Being someone who has visited message boards/forums and has seen a wide range of vocal opinions on every FF since FFIV/II (good ole Prodigy BB's ), FFX was the one with the least vocal backlash upon release, from what I saw. All the sudden, there seems to be a lot of 'FFX was mediocre' garbage. For a game released in July of 2001, I'm still impressed at how well most pf the locations and effects hold up. Granted, the character models/animation have come a long way, but that's to be expected. I also felt that the story was, like the other Kitase-Nojima FF's, a breath of fresh air beyond the norm of console RPGs. The VA was above average in most places, 'ok' to average everywhere else, and the addition of the sphere-grid, as well as the faster-paced, character juggling battles freshened up an ATB that hit an all-time low in FFIX.
The only people I could imagine finding FFX 'mediocre' are the ones that have never been fans of the series in the first place, particularly FFVII and VIII.

Even my fanboyism and damage control for Square won't ignore the fact that this gen absolutely pales in comparison to the PSX days (I can't believe they didn't make a Parasite Eve or a new Chrono this gen -_-). FFX and FM4 were fantastic, KH had great production values and high potential, but fell short- FFXII, KH2, and Dirge, as well as Advent Children, should prevent these last 5+ years from being total duds.

I just hope they have their shit together with this new gen. A FFVII remake, ala REmake, followed by a new Parasite Eve, Chrono Break, a Vagrant Story sequel would be a great start, I think.

 

[SantaC]

U_neek has just confirmed my translation. It's correct.

I actually thought for awhile that SE could be on board 360.

 

[Cold-Steel]

This doesn't surprise me at all.

I remember everyone jumping up and down because of these "insiders" who said that Square Enix would bring Final Fantasy to the 360.

We should take them out the back and shoot them now for that.

 

[Kamtendo]

Not much of a shocker, although I'm sure many were hopeful. If I did get a 360, I knew it wouldn't be my only next-gen console, so they'll be SE support on the other 2. I'm content.

 

[chinch]

Yawn.

Maybe Square will deliver another racing or baseball game for PS3 in JPN

 

[Doube D]

LOL. so where are these insiders now huh? where??? come out n play kiddies. That or go shoot your supposed sources.

 

[radrelic]

No EnixSquare support for Xbox 360

- Failed to load care.exe

 

[Joe]

i dont think anyone here ever claimed to have inside knowledge of square making games for 360? there was a lot of hinting going on but i think people just speculated it was square and microsoft.

 

[Odysseus]

Holding out for Japanese support is messy, but you get by... one day at a time.

 

[AntoneM]

Is that were Xbox 360 is going?

Yes, but only to gain more momentum. Being the thought leader takes a lot out of you...

XBox, why do you make me hurt you?

 

[Pimpwerx]

It would have been more work than necessary for Squeenix to try and make a contender out of the 360 in Japan, than just supporting the obvious choice, the PS3. I wouldn't put much hope in Revolution support either. PEACE.

 

[Red Scarlet]

Oh no, a company that doesn't release games on a sytem I haven't bought (Xbox) nor have plans to buy (Xbox/360) anyway. *waits for FF13/DQ9 on PS3*

 

[SantaC]

Well he is not saying that there will never be squeenix support on 360, not just planned right now.

 

[Speevy]

Square-Enix is a talented company, but I can live without their games.

 

[Striek]

I wouldn't put much hope in Revolution support either. PEACE.

But...but....Johnny said......

Oh no, a company that doesn't release games on a sytem I haven't bought (Xbox) nor have plans to buy (Xbox/360) anyway. *waits for FF13/DQ9 on PS3*

Then why bother posting in the thread?

Anyhow, not unexpected at all, I don't even think X360s userbase would be much of a market for SE games.

 

[Zerodoppler]

Peter Moore: We have nothing new planned from Square Enix, and I don't think there will be anything revealed at E3. But it would surprise me if anyone avoid to develop games for Xbox 360 this generation.

He doesn't think there will be an announcement at E3, he knows.

 

[robertsan21]

well who ever though diffrently needs a reality check!

360 OWNED

 

[norinrad21]

360 will be DoA in Japan again

 

[Pimpwerx]

But...but....Johnny said......

I trust Jonny, and honestly, I'm just spouting my own personal opinion. Don't take it as fact. For all I know, SE could go exclusive to Nintendo. PEACE.

 

[Odnetnin]

They couldn't even manage to pull a Crystal Chronicles out of SE? So much for their Japan invasion. Mizuguchi's Lumines+Meteos didn't light the charts in Japan and I doubt that new fangled RPG from Mr. Sakaguchi will have that much draw power compared to stalwart titles from SE

 

[Crankenstein]

While it's certainly a boon for Microsoft in Japan if they did support 360, does it really make much of a difference for us? What was the last good game out of Square?

Since FF9 Square has been in a tail spin, IMO. I'm not into DQ. That leaves what in the way of turn based RPGs?

 

[Red Scarlet]

Then why bother posting in the thread?

Didn't stop the SE haters from posting.

 

[trmas]

Anyone who thought Square/Enix would develop for an American console was always smoking crack. And just so you know... I told you there wasn't a chance in hell

 

[DCharlie]

"Anyone who thought Square/Enix would develop for an American console was always smoking crack. And just so you know... I told you there wasn't a chance in hell"

go on, explain WHY they wouldn't develop for an "American console" then? i'm all ears.

 

[trmas]

Because both Japanese companies are firmly in the Sony and Nintendo camp (mostly Sony). They have no need or reason to jeapordize those relationships on an American-made machine that's successor was a complete failure in Japan.

It's simple economics. Especially if you are familiar with Japanese culture...

 

[MrSingh]

I doubt it matters that much since Sakaguchi is slowly stealing away Square's top talent.

 

[Ulairi]

I doubt it matters that much since Sakaguchi is slowly stealing away Square's top talent.

I'd hate to break it to you but one or two people are not responsible for these games. They take teams and the teams are talented. If a developer "steals" one "key" developer, the team goes on.

 

[Doube D]

^^(yellowace) can we say, DAMAGE CONTROL? lol

 

[Borys]

Square-Enix is a talented company, but I can live without their games.

Now that's just something. You don't know nothing about PS3 yet you know you won't buy it.

What if Psychonaughts 2 is only on PS3?

Why resist? Embrace the Sony!

 

[DCharlie]

"It's simple economics. Especially if you are familiar with Japanese culture..."

......

"^^(yellowace) can we say, DAMAGE CONTROL? lol"

......

Well, i've at least got two funny things to think about today.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Now that's just something. You don't know nothing about PS3 yet you know you won't buy it.

What if Psychonaughts 2 is only on PS3?

Why resist? Embrace the Sony!

ignore that guy, you are adding more fuel to the fire.

Spoiler

it's pretty obvious that he hates sony

 

[Firest0rm]

ignore that guy, you are adding more fuel to the fire.

Spoiler

it's pretty obvious that he hates sony

Shooting time?

 

[Musashi Wins!]

dccharlie you crazy roundeye, no unlimited saga or fma on your xbotbox, lollerz am i rite or wat?

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Shooting time?

sure thing. you decide the server today.

 

[DCharlie]

"dccharlie you crazy roundeye, no unlimited saga or fma on your xbotbox, lollerz am i rite or wat?"

I want a PSP version of U Saga so at least i can THROW IT AWAY.

 

[Firest0rm]

sure thing. you decide the server today.

BF.G Unit again.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

BF.G Unit again.

k

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

go on, explain WHY they wouldn't develop for an "American console" then? i'm all ears.

simple, they have this gaijin attitude towards almost everything. I'm delivering a blanket statement of course, but there is truth to it

 

[Optimistic]

This is unfortunate. I'm an ex-Square fanboy (Chrono Trigger's probably my number 1 favourite game), for a long time I couldn't get enough of the Final Fantasy series and their other rpgs, but they've gone downhill this gen. FFX was mediocre in every category bar graphics IMO. It was just a terribly generic, formulaeic, tedious adventure. That said, I believe Square is just in a slump - and by slump I mean they have yet to make another Chrono game . And now there's no chance of that on 360. But then, Doom Bringer was on the money - it's not exactly shocking news now is it. :lol

 

[Drek]

I doubt it matters that much since Sakaguchi is slowly stealing away Square's top talent.

You're an idiot. Square has two truely irreplacable creative employees, though they'd probably say three. They are Matsuno and Horii, the company itself seems to think Nomura is good too, though I disagree. While they have many other very good people on their staff, they regularly see pretty decent employee turnover, especially during the PS1 gen (when it seemed like every RPG was made by "ex-Square staffers"), and keep on chugging, not to mention that they've basically taken a controlling interest in GameArts.

I've been a big fan of Sakaguchi's work and have been disapointed by the role he's played in Square all this and last generation, so Mistwalkers has me pumped, but expecting them to step in and make up for the lost mindshare globally from not having Square Enix support is asking way too much.

Square Enix is the RPG powerhouse and RPGs are still a strong selling genre. Not having their support is a big deal. Its on par with not getting any EA Sports support, since it handicaps your console in a popular genre that has historically been a deciding factor in at least one major region's sales, as well as having positive gains in all other genres.

Anyhow though, its not anything too surprising. Square Enix is having a hard time just turning out their current titles on a decent timetable, and anyone expecting anything other than PS3 as their #1 priority for next generation is fooling themselves. I'm expecting a lot from them next generation though, since by then we should see some real cross development benefits from the merger, as well as Square fully back on their feet and not feeling like they need to milk FF to make up for a poor sales start.

FFX was mediocre in every category bar graphics IMO.

Best fighting engine in the series' history, probably the best character development system (though job system is good), and by far the best overall presentation. The actual story was flawed in that it was much too cheesy for its own good, but a good deal of it was made form solid ideas taken too far or in the wrong direction. That and they locked the game down to be even more linear when gamers have been clamouring for less linear gameplay, kind of an odd choice I'd say. It was a very good RPG for casuals though, except that crappy voice acting.

 

[_Angelus_]

You know how many games I bougght from Square/Enix this gen.? Two.....

Will I miss them,more than likely not. 3rd party content from Sega,Namco,maybe some things from Capcom and Konami occasionaly is to be expected. Plus great Western support,thats what I expect out of the 360. I'll buy a PS3,possibly the next Nintendo system for the rest of the Sega stuff that doesn't make it to the 360.

 

[Crankenstein]

Best fighting engine in the series' history, probably the best character development system (though job system is good), and by far the best overall presentation.

Wrong.

 

[xsarien]

simple, they have this gaijin attitude towards almost everything. I'm delivering a blanket statement of course, but there is truth to it

A hollow blanket statement that can't be substantiated by anything but - ironically enough - stereotypes. Not to mention that it completely ignores the fact that Square didn't support the Gamecube until they were basically paid to do it.

It's a matter of perception, nothing more, nothing less. If the original XBox had faired better in Japan, their attitude towards the 360 wouldn't be nearly as dismissive.

 

[Craig Majaski]

Odd. Square Enix shows up on Xbox's official site as a publishing partner!

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/partners.htm

 

[DCharlie]

but that's not possible!
Japanese company hate the smell of american money!
Honourable Japanese companies would not sell out !

THEY REMEMBER HIROSHIMA! NAGASAKI!

TELL THE GAIJIN DEVILS TO KEEP THEIR WEAK DOLLAR AND CRAP CARS WITH BAD GAS CONSUPTION RATES!

 

[Companion Cube]

Odd. Square Enix shows up on Xbox's official site as a publishing partner!

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/partners.htm

Serious? Do I need an ourcolony plug in to see it or something?

 

[bitwise]

Serious? Do I need an ourcolony plug in to see it or something?

check the publishing partners 360 thread.

a lot of people saw it.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Serious? Do I need an ourcolony plug in to see it or something?

Thed edited it out. It was there. Probably meant to be an E3 shocker.