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PGR3 trailer in 720p
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Teknopathetic
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He's not comparing Jesus to PGR3, he's mocking people's reactions to things.
Gorgeous! The hi-def video helps a lot here...
Speaking of which, I tried Syberia for the Xbox on my 16x9 1080i HDTV today for the first time and was really taken by the quality of its hi-def visuals, especially during the movie cutscenes. While watching them, I realized that it's quite likely that THAT'S how good next-gen games will look on my setup, and I couldn't help but get a bit excited about the remarkable jump in graphical quality that will be possible simply by shifting to HD.
I mean it really is more than hype when you see it on your own TV...
Speaking of which, I tried Syberia for the Xbox on my 16x9 1080i HDTV today for the first time and was really taken by the quality of its hi-def visuals, especially during the movie cutscenes. While watching them, I realized that it's quite likely that THAT'S how good next-gen games will look on my setup, and I couldn't help but get a bit excited about the remarkable jump in graphical quality that will be possible simply by shifting to HD.
I mean it really is more than hype when you see it on your own TV...
m0dus said:you misspelled 'applicable'.and you have absolutely no basis for which to call my comparison 'asinine'.
Thanks for the confirmation. Yes, it was asinine. It's typical hyperbole to prove a point, however dimwitted it was. In this case your point is "people will complain about anything". But, did you stop to think - well, videos are MEANT to be criticized? They show you a game. It's an impression you get. Some people will like it, others will not. If JESUS FUCKING RETURNED, the circumstances would be much different than that of simple freakin' video being released for public consumption. It was an asinine statement, and yes... I am being hostile because of it. And PGR3 is not impervious to this, and in fact is even MORE prone to it because it's a launch game. There should be no implication that PGR3 is somehow beyond criticism, like "Jesus returning" would be. But twist it how you like, brotha.
m0dus said:
I do take this particular subject seriously, you're right.
Amir0x said:I'm sure games will give you the option, but too bad you didn't get a 720p set. 720p is so, so much better than 1080i.
This is my old HDTV (like 3 years or so...). I have a newer, 4x3 one that does 720p for certain...
Actually, here's the set:
http://www.hdtvpub.com/productdb/televisions/televisionreviews.cfm?manu=RCA∏=F38310&tvnum=735
This seems to suggest that it DOES do 720p, since it says "720p is Displayed As: 720p". Maybe I need to research this more...
My other set is a Sony WEGA :
http://hdtvpub.com/productdb/televisions/televisionreviews.cfm?manu=Sony&prod=KV36HS510&tvnum=991
This suggests that this set doesn't do true 720p.
WTF.
Help?!?
Unison said:
I was talking about xbox 360, but yeah your tv probably doesn't accept a 720p signal. Xbox1 only lets you output at the resolutions supported by the game, but the 360 has a built in scaler so you can output at whatever res you want. So if your TV doesn't accept 720p the 360 can scale it to 1080i for you.
Rain said:
Ha ha ha. But seriously, what I'm saying is videos are released for the sole purpose to garner interest/give people an early look/show people what your titles feature. By its very nature it's going to receive criticism. My problem was only with the type of hyperbole used to illustrate his point, and that the point itself was "asinine". But we're past that now
m0dus said:
I have a clue. My personal point was that the thing you used for your hyperbole was silly, and that the point behind it was even more so. You obviously disagree. I'm always hostile in discussions, so now we both have something to be offended about
On that note, I apologize if it appeared as some sort of personal attack, or if you were offended. I just had a significant disagreement with the way you presented your point, and the point itself.m0dus said:
Of course. However, movin' to the specific example of how this started I don't know how you determined that what anyone was saying was a "global generalization." It was, it appeared to me, an opinion based on what was shown in the video. Now while you and me clearly disagree with this (and wtf, how could anyone be disappointed? That shit looks Gold) I don't see any of the sort of things you're saying here. At least, not from Inertia.
scissorfight
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sangreal said:
Well, that's actually pretty good news, then... I am glad I'll be able to play hi-res 360 games on it, at least. Really, Soul Calibur 2's the only Xbox game I have that runs in 720p (besides Syberia, which fortunately works in 1080i too), so it's not a big deal (especially since I can play that on my other set, if I felt the need).
Thanks...
Shogmaster
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Jesus tittie-fucking Christ! Let's get back on topic people!
m0dus said:It was geared more toward the general naysayers. Alright. I can respect hostility in discussions. I enjoy being an ass myself, I'm not too ashamed to admit
I agree that people have expectations too high. Although I wouldn't call anything we've seen so far "lightyears ahead" (and isn't that the reason people complain? They want PSX to DC era jump -_-), I think that especially in the case of PGR3 it's exactly the type of amazing visuals I'd expect from the next-gen... especially launch. It's really impressive any way you look at it, in my opinion.
Although, I think expectations can be tempered with a bit of optimism. Games are only going to look much better from here on out
First off I have to say after seeing this vid at 60fps and in Hi Res has blown me away and has secured pgr3 to my most anticipated title. Seeing that amazing city blow by with such fluid motion makes it looks like its about to jump out of the screen. Just amazing.
Now for those who dont understand why some people might have a distaste for the cars(I personaly like the style), I am pretty sure its becuase they just have not nailed the lighting....yet.
Now for those who dont understand why some people might have a distaste for the cars(I personaly like the style), I am pretty sure its becuase they just have not nailed the lighting....yet.
Cormacaroni
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I agree...Reading some of the posts here makes me wonder how some of these crybabies ever manage to suffer through current-gen games. Oh the humanity!
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Barnimal said:
They still have to recieve finals, maybe a bit more.
EDIT: I'm glad people who were on the 30/60 debate own up to it and now see this game for how good it looks
Shogmaster
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Gek54 said:First off I have to say after seeing this vid at 60fps and in Hi Res has blown me away and has secured pgr3 to my most anticipated title. Seeing that amazing city blow by with such fluid motion makes it looks like its about to jump out of the screen. Just amazing.
Now for those who dont understand why some people might have a distaste for the cars(I personaly like the style), I am pretty sure its becuase they just have not nailed the lighting....yet.
Common now. Let's not compare external capture shot with frame buffer shot.
I say they are getting closer.
THE MOTION BLUR EFFECT IS SIMPLY AWESOME!!
GAHHH!!!!
Yes, it does look unfinished, and it reminded me of the PGR1 movies that were featured on early MS Xbox games "demo sample" portions. I think Halo had a movie of PGR on it, and if you compare it to the finished game (which did come out at/near launch), there was a world of difference!
I just hope that BC DOES keep it at 60 fps. Really, I could do without the crowds if it meant the game running at 60 fps. We'll see what factors will affect this.
PGR2 going to 30fps was probably due to some decisions in using pixel shaders to such an advanced degree (cars self shadows), or because it used AA. I think after that point they decided to stick with 30fps, while originally going for 60. And so this game seems to be going at 60, and until they finish up the lighting and stuff, unless some effect really hits the console, I can see it staying at 60fps.
GAHHH!!!!
Yes, it does look unfinished, and it reminded me of the PGR1 movies that were featured on early MS Xbox games "demo sample" portions. I think Halo had a movie of PGR on it, and if you compare it to the finished game (which did come out at/near launch), there was a world of difference!
I just hope that BC DOES keep it at 60 fps. Really, I could do without the crowds if it meant the game running at 60 fps. We'll see what factors will affect this.
PGR2 going to 30fps was probably due to some decisions in using pixel shaders to such an advanced degree (cars self shadows), or because it used AA. I think after that point they decided to stick with 30fps, while originally going for 60. And so this game seems to be going at 60, and until they finish up the lighting and stuff, unless some effect really hits the console, I can see it staying at 60fps.
WHOAguitarninja
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FINALLY! REAL, GOOD reflections that run at 60hz. GT4's reflections were smooth, but looked like shit. These are nice, crisp, accurate(except other cars still aren't reflected, but that is a minor point), and A60 hz.
Also, the motion blur is fantastic looking. It's so subtle but it helps it so much.
Just noticed...there is a shot near the beggining running at 30hz. Kindof odd for that to be there.
EDIT - One last thing. To show that you can infact tell a difference in smoothness in a 30 and 60hz clip, even when the medium your viewing it on is 30hz(ie, the cam corder videos from the conference), go back and watch the previous recordings of this that were 30hz, and look at the transition from the shot near the beggining of the front of the f430, to the interior shot. The front shot is 30hz, and the interior is 60. You can, in fact, tell a difference. It's not obvious, but it is there.
Also, the motion blur is fantastic looking. It's so subtle but it helps it so much.
Just noticed...there is a shot near the beggining running at 30hz. Kindof odd for that to be there.
EDIT - One last thing. To show that you can infact tell a difference in smoothness in a 30 and 60hz clip, even when the medium your viewing it on is 30hz(ie, the cam corder videos from the conference), go back and watch the previous recordings of this that were 30hz, and look at the transition from the shot near the beggining of the front of the f430, to the interior shot. The front shot is 30hz, and the interior is 60. You can, in fact, tell a difference. It's not obvious, but it is there.
Project Midway
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Nice one Blim, thanks. Awesome video.
The 60fps vid run like shit on my 2800+ AMD, 1gig and 6600GT when using mediaplayer or winamp. But with PowerDVD it run just fine.
The 60fps vid run like shit on my 2800+ AMD, 1gig and 6600GT when using mediaplayer or winamp. But with PowerDVD it run just fine.
This took much more time than I thought, but here it is. 640x360 60fps XVID codec :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1536_1_en.html
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1536_1_en.html
thegodsend
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wow, looks great. thanks blimblim
HDTV snobz - Quit saying 720p owns 1080i - it's not that simple. 720p, when displaying native 720p content, in perfect circumstances and through a digital connector, is "better." But even videophiles can't always see the difference and on CRTs it's moot.
This isn't for you Wario - you obviously know your shit, I'm just reinforcing the point for HD neophytes: 1080i is fuckin' awesome, especially if you're moving up from regular TV. 1080i is also a very, very nice target for budget players, since CRTs are down to like $300 now at the low end.
If you have squillions of dollars, go nuts. If you're broke and thinking of getting a "cheap" HD set - 1080i looks ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS 720p and on a CRT usually looks exactly the same.
This isn't for you Wario - you obviously know your shit, I'm just reinforcing the point for HD neophytes: 1080i is fuckin' awesome, especially if you're moving up from regular TV. 1080i is also a very, very nice target for budget players, since CRTs are down to like $300 now at the low end.
If you have squillions of dollars, go nuts. If you're broke and thinking of getting a "cheap" HD set - 1080i looks ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS 720p and on a CRT usually looks exactly the same.
Shogmaster
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Stinkles said:
While I understand your sentiments, I prefer 720p sets to 1080i because of it's rock solid image stability. The interlacing "wiggle" bothers me on the 1080i CRT sets (even the almighty XBR960). And this is after playing games extensively on my parents' 1080i Sony 34HS420.
Having said that, I would not hesitate to recommend 1080i CRT sets to those who only have 480i sets and would like to move up for less than a G. The only problem is if X360 internally only renders 720p and let's it's display chip scale the image up, the IQ might suffer slightly.
Trojan X said:
You can tell that some parts of that trailer's source is 30fps and others are 60fps. We'll see how it goes.
terrene said:
I don't know. I'm just not impressed with PGR3 and most next gen stuff. PSX/N64 blew me away when they were released. So did DC and PS2. What's I'm seeing now is lacking the leap that I've grown accustomed too.
(add RE5 to the list of games that have sport that next gen quality)
Quite good interview of Nick Davies (design manager on PGR3) by Game Informer :
http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200507/N05.0726.2131.00830.htm
http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200507/N05.0726.2131.00830.htm