Do you think he's never heard that they need games? The guy is very connected to everyone and the community, and talks to everyone.
1000%The Activision Blizzard merger collapse destroyed this man.
Its xbox one mistake all over again.I still like my Xbox, but it feels like they don't like me.
I don't know. I'm not an insider.What's their problem compared to the competition?
100% this. I distinctly remember when things started changing. I first bought an Xbox 360 in 2007 or 2008 and at the time, it was a no-brainer compared to the PS3. I had Fable 2, Halo 3, Gears of War, the better performing version of GTA IV, terrific Xbox Live Arcade games and a bunch of good stuff. Sony seemed like a desert at the time.Absolute nonsense. They didnt fail in every way. They succeeded in the main aspect which was to provide VIDEO GAMES. Yes, they fucked up with the $599 price tag and shitty architecture, but by the end of 2007, just one year in NOT the majority, they already had a great line up of exclusives which continued to grow year after year. That told gamers that Sony is interested in making VIDEO GAMES and by 2009, the console was selling for $299 and the convuluted architecture no longer resulted in awful ports. In 3 short years, they had fixed all the issues while offering AAA exclusives like Uncharted 1, 2, KZ2, MGS4, LBP, Resistance 1 and 2, Motrostorm and Motorstorm PR, Socom Confrontation, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction, and ended the last 4 years releasing GOTY contender after GOTY contender.
All Phil had to do was follow the same model. Release games while fixing shit like taking out the Kinect and reducing the price of the console. He did everything except for releasing games. Don Matrick had Titanfall, Ryse, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Coalitions New IP, Scalebound and Fable all lined up. All Phil had to do was continue that work. Instead, he cancelled Coalitions New IP, Scalebound and Fable. Then cut ties with Respawn, Remedy and Insmoniac instead of investing in them like Sony did with Sucker Punch, GG, Media Molecule and Evolution Studios.
This whole mindshare argument is mind numbling dumb considering MS WON the mindshare from Sony in the 360 era. Every single third party game sold better on the Xbox. Thats where the hardcore went. MS lost the mindshare when they went full kinect in 2010 and never looked back. Every single E3 conference was kinectimals, kinect sports, douchbags pretending to play star wars, jumping around like they are playing football. Every single one. That is what turned the mindshare. Those same Xbox owners looked at that trash and saw sony showing GOW, Heavy Rain, TLOU2, KZ3, Uncharted 3, Infamous 2, Beyond, and thats when MS lost the mindshare. Thats how the PS3 caught up to the 360. because MS refused to release games people want to play.
Literally the same thing we have seen play out since Phil took over.
And who's fault is that exactly? That was MS's choice to make games Day One on XSS, XSX, PC, and Gamepass. They created a cheap rental service that can be accessed from many locations/machines and now they're shocked that some consumers have decided to not buy their consoles and games.Yeah, true.
I think you are right. Once Sony released uncharted 2 it started to change.
I think what Phil is trying to say now is exclusives wouldn't really shift the needle for xbox right now as the majority of people would go pc. I think they do need great games and I think they are hopefully going to deliver that soon but its ultimately not going to make xbox win in the console space.
I don't know. I'm not an insider.
Notice how it's zeroed in on that one tweet highlighted by their mascot.
Marching orders, sir!
Welma is this guy:Who is Welma? Why is Mattrick one of the kids?
No he's not lmao. Don't try to push blame to Sony somehow someway.Becoming more and more convinced Phil is an undercover Sony agent
Their problem is they fucked their first party studios and wanked their chest.What's their problem compared to the competition?
Absolute nonsense. They didnt fail in every way. They succeeded in the main aspect which was to provide VIDEO GAMES. Yes, they fucked up with the $599 price tag and shitty architecture, but by the end of 2007, just one year in NOT the majority, they already had a great line up of exclusives which continued to grow year after year. That told gamers that Sony is interested in making VIDEO GAMES and by 2009, the console was selling for $299 and the convuluted architecture no longer resulted in awful ports. In 3 short years, they had fixed all the issues while offering AAA exclusives like Uncharted 1, 2, KZ2, MGS4, LBP, Resistance 1 and 2, Motrostorm and Motorstorm PR, Socom Confrontation, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction, and ended the last 4 years releasing GOTY contender after GOTY contender.
All Phil had to do was follow the same model. Release games while fixing shit like taking out the Kinect and reducing the price of the console. He did everything except for releasing games. Don Matrick had Titanfall, Ryse, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Coalitions New IP, Scalebound and Fable all lined up. All Phil had to do was continue that work. Instead, he cancelled Coalitions New IP, Scalebound and Fable. Then cut ties with Respawn, Remedy and Insmoniac instead of investing in them like Sony did with Sucker Punch, GG, Media Molecule and Evolution Studios.
This whole mindshare argument is mind numbling dumb considering MS WON the mindshare from Sony in the 360 era. Every single third party game sold better on the Xbox. Thats where the hardcore went. MS lost the mindshare when they went full kinect in 2010 and never looked back. Every single E3 conference was kinectimals, kinect sports, douchbags pretending to play star wars, jumping around like they are playing football. Every single one. That is what turned the mindshare. Those same Xbox owners looked at that trash and saw sony showing GOW, Heavy Rain, TLOU2, KZ3, Uncharted 3, Infamous 2, Beyond, and thats when MS lost the mindshare. Thats how the PS3 caught up to the 360. because MS refused to release games people want to play.
Literally the same thing we have seen play out since Phil took over.
Nah, it's all staged.1000%
and he'll be there beating his chest when they make their next big publisher purchase.
That's what so disappointing. I love my Series X. It's a great console. It's just missing great games that keep me engaged in their ecosystem. I'm also not confident about their future in the console business so I'm reluctant to spend more money. I'm not interested in a service-based, cloud focused future.I still like my Xbox, but it feels like they don't like me.
So many people in here refuse to believe that there isn’t an angle with this. It might not be a Activision but it’s something else.That’s exactly what this fucker is doing.
We've already seen from the mobile phones market that in general there's room for 2 players in these tech company markets. Developers don't mind supporting 2 platforms but when you get to 3 it becomes difficult from a resources standpoint and developers just don't want to do it. That's why every thing always seems to trend towards 2 competitor markets. iOS and Android, Intel and AMD, Nvidia and AMD, etc. The market always finds a way to naturally reach just 2 viable competitors.It could be, we will see by the end of the year. Maybe he is just softening the blow for the announcement. Maybe he knows Starfield doesn't have a chance in hell of moving the needle at this point. Maybe something more sinister is in the wings for Xbox in general. Phil has not been able to right the sinking ship that started with Xbox One. Microsoft has more money and more resources than any company has any right to, and they cannot compete. Maybe there really is only room for 2 players in the market that already cover the majority of needs (Nintendo, and Sony, seem to fulfill the necessary spectrum of games). One major player (Valve) ruling PC (even if is just distribution). Phones for everybody else. Maybe this is some kind of Karma payback for taking Sega's place in the game world. Sad, but it might just be the reality that 3 players in the console market is too much choice and too much money for consumers to allocate for.
Exactly. They were actually make money from paying customers from the PlayStation and Nintendo bases. Their base don't buy shit but controllers and cheap subscribers.Honestly if I was in charge I would just make Xbox go 3rd party, keep making consoles and hardware for the hardcore fans but put your games on all platforms (you're literally one platform away from that).
The brand just isn't strong as Playstation or Nintendo worldwide (and that's all on MS because they've been neglecting a lot of countries for generations now).
Nah, it's all staged.
"oh dear FTC, CMA and EC, look at how humble and honest we are, we lost the war, we lost all hope, all we have left, all we can cling to, is xCloud, but even that we are at risk of losing if the merger continues to be blocked".
This right here. In the last 10 years they killed their own studios, they refused to use their own homegrown IPs, they refused to use the IPs they obtained in prior acquisitions, and the Bethesda merger has been a bust so far. Now they want Activision too? Why? So Activision can sit on a shelf and do nothing as well?Their problem is they fucked their first party studios and wanked their chest.
You dont get big games, if you dont have the studios. That is what started this mess.
From MS to Xbox management since OG xbox.
In a world without Playstation cool but when there is nothing unique about Xbox consoles nowadays it's always going to hit a snag after the 1st few years. Series S was their best bet but Switch is eating the market that would pick up Series S & the $399 PS5 is right over it's shoulder. If they released a Series S bundle with a new Kinect today it would have no competition & boost sells again .Yet look at the splits. Great exclusives drive people to your console in which they are more than likely to purchase third party on as well. But when you condition your base to sub instead of buy the last 5+ years... well...
They don’t, neither does Sony, or Nintendo, they like your hard earned money though.I still like my Xbox, but it feels like they don't like me.
The irony if that is true is Sony saying they can't by Activision because that's not fair they could get exclusivity to titles.Thats one way to end the Console War.
And sounds like from his answer, Sony is going hard grabbing 3rd party exclusive deals (I expect some big ones to be announced soon) making it even harder for Xbox to win.
But damn, he's wrong. Great games will solve literally everything. Give it a try.
I agree. He did get crushed by the Activision deal though.Nah, it's all staged.
"oh dear FTC, CMA and EC, look at how humble and honest we are, we lost the war, we lost all hope, all we have left, all we can cling to, is xCloud, but even that we are at risk of losing if the merger continues to be blocked".
I could swear I heard a sad violin in the background when I read the part about Sony making deals they couldn't compete with.
Figured this should probably have its own thread, given the implications of what Spencer is saying.
Timestamped video from Kinda Funny Xcast:
Here, Spencer basically says there's no way the Xbox can compete with Sony and Nintendo, and then goes on to say that making great games wouldn't help Xbox compete.
I find this attitude utterly baffling, and I think we're now at the point where this dude needs to step away.
Whole quote here, provided by @Heisenberg007:
The narrative is constantly shifting depending on which way the wind is blowing. We're seeing it in this very thread.
You know he was part of that team right?The team responsible for the launch of the Ps4 deserve all the praise they get.
Jimbo? Not so much.
For every Haze and Lair, they had Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Resistance.Remember ps3 early days had baaad games and that didnt help shit with being second place for a long time. You had Haze and Lair and the B series Resistance/Killzone. Not even mgs4 move the needle much at that time.
I recall it was the moment Uncharted 2 became THE talk of gaming town was when sony got their wind back. And then god of war 3 hits, Uncharted 3, the fucking Last of Us. Great games that turn the brand around and momentum did the rest till this day. Great games do matter Phil.
Of course they're selling more, the size of the base of people that plays games has grown over the years as those of us that grew up with consoles get older and our kids join the fun. The gaming industry has grown in the number of players and total revenue by an order of magnitude since the 360 era, the real problem is that MS has failed to maintain their share of the pie. Just the number of consoles is meaningless if they're not maintaining marketshare.You’re right, I agree. But they sold that thing at a loss, and there are many measures for success, series X is out selling the 360 yet here we are.
You know he was part of that team right?
No one bats. 1000. You have to try though. They're the ones that are actually able to take more risks but Their plans come off as not even wanting to try. It's obvious. They want guarantees.For every Haze and Lair, they had Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Resistance.
Narrative solidified:
What they fail to understand is that most people don't care who is "winning", they care about having the best possible products and games possible. "Winning" is just a consequence of consistency and high standards/quality and when that happens to a corporation most consumers aren't even aware it's happening at the time.
DISGUSTING I SAY!This speaks volumes about their mentality in Xbox.
Absolutely disgusting
Xbox hasn't had much of good first party output since the last part of the 360 gen. They were happy riding three ips for the most part and much really hasn't changed over the past decade or so with them.
Games drive engagement and that translate to all good stuff for the brand. But because there is no easy and quick route available they are basically throwing their hands in the air flappergasted
They have a great piece of hardware with the X and there has been nothing to sell it. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of series owners are mostly their loyal fan base that was in regardless.
This is a loser attitude and has no place here. MS needs to clear our management and leaders of the Xbox division before it effects anymore.
Oh and fuck him for trying to make people feel bad, brought this in yourself. Those fucking bullshit awards you been getting went to your head. This is the bed your made, you've had a god damn decade
We shall see about it not going through.The only vision they had was trying to create a monopoly. Now they're just upset it's not going through.
I hear ya. I'm 50 years old and was away from gaming since 2016. Fall 2022, I decided I wanted to dip my toes back in the gaming pond, but my PC was an antique. Just didn't have the time, nor energy to build and maintain a PC, so a click on Amazon and a Series X was on my doorstep and hooked the TV within 2 days. Gamepass sub has been good to me; played a shitload of stuff I missed out on, plus I think I spent a grand total of $8 since (Red Dead Redemption).as a dedicated PC gamer, I'd say there are about 2500 reasons to get an Xbox Series X.
I got a Series X and I can't even think about upgrading my PC now.. it's the worst time ever to be a PC gamer.