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[Leatherface]

...and I came away pretty disappointed overall. The system looked nice. The controllers were perfect..The games just didn't do it at all for me. I felt like they we're Xbox games in hi rez. The sharpness in the image quality was nice and all, but I was expecting to be a little more blown away by what they are offering. I kinda got a weird "it's the same old shit" vibe. Like its this generation with a candy coating, ya know? I can't be the only one who feels this way, can I? =_(


All in all I'm starting to feel like updating the graphics just isn't gonna do it anymore.

 

[Amir0x]

Wait a year or so into next-gen, the initial launch phase of hyperbole will be over for all three of the consoles and we'll be back where we're supposed to.

 

[monchi-kun]

... Like its this generation with a candy coating, ya know? I can't be the only one who feels this way, can I? =_(


All in all I'm starting to feel like updating the graphics just isn't gonna do it anymore.

oh dear GOD...whine whine whine....can't people stop whining?

i'm going to kill a few kittens to placate my rage at the whining.

 

[ronito]

oh dear GOD...whine whine whine....can't people stop whining?

i'm going to kill a few kittens to placate my rage at the whining.

I hate it when people whine about people who whine.

 

[Kangu]

Well at least you didn't end your post with: "I'm starting to see what Nintendo meant when they said we need a Revolution." Unless I failed to read between the lines.

 

[krypt0nian]

wow an irony whirlpool....

 

[monchi-kun]

it's these self-appreciating posts "Am I the only one who feels this way???"....since when did gamers get too good for their games?

the freakin kiosk all of a sudden becomes the end-all-be-all of what the next gen experience is going to be?

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

wow an irony whirlpool....

I expect this all the way up until launch, and then the people who did buy a console will be the true barometers. Kinda odd he's posting this now when it's past midnight in 3 of the 4 time zones in the U.S. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. If I were to make the call, looking at post history, I'd say I don't believe him. That's the beauty of the internet though.

 

[Zep]

it's these self-appreciating posts "Am I the only one who feels this way???"....since when did gamers get too good for their games?

the freakin kiosk all of a sudden becomes the end-all-be-all of what the next gen experience is going to be?

I think you need a

 

[Leatherface]

eh. not really whinning. I was pretty excited for this system actually. I was even surprised at myself that I was so underwhelmed. Maybe I just need to wait for some more impressive games so suck me in or something.

I played COD2 and Kameo btw.. COD2 was ..well, the same thing I have on my PC pretty much, which is not bad I guess. Anyway, I was kinda sorta expecting this. The real shocker was Kameo. This games graphics were hyped to no end. The game itself is supposed to be a killer app (based on the impressions I've read). Well, the graphics I seen definately didn't blow me away. As a matter of fact, they seemed a little overdone or something.. Secondly, the game wasn't really fun. It felt like a generic platformer to me. My friend who was with me actually left to go look at movies instead of watching me play. It just wasn't really interesting.

I think I may actually hold off until some more content comes out. Right now, there seems to be no reason to own this thing... I don't even have an HDTV yet, so even the cool HDness of the games makes no difference....

 

[monchi-kun]

I think you need a

....at least use some next gen pics from NBA 2k6!!!

 

[ThirdEye]

Well at least you didn't end your post with: "I'm starting to see what Nintendo meant when they said we need a Revolution." Unless I failed to read between the lines.

:lol Fear the subliminal campaign...

 

[Syphin]

Yup its that time again. Oh how I missed people making final judements on a console from a couple of minutes of play at a kiosk. And who could forget anecdotal evidence from camping out and stalking people for their reactions.

 

[Amir0x]

I expect this all the way up until launch, and then the people who did buy a console will be the true barometers. Kinda odd he's posting this now when it's past midnight in 3 of the 4 time zones in the U.S. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. If I were to make the call, looking at post history, I'd say I don't believe him. That's the beauty of the internet though.

I don't think anything's going to be the barometer of any launch until at least a year into next-gen. Ya know, after all the mediocrity is washed away and we see what true next-gen experiences are a year or so into 360 and PS3s and Revolutions life.

 

[Wario64]

...and I came away pretty disappointed overall. The system looked nice. The controllers were perfect..The games just didn't do it at all for me. I felt like they we're Xbox games in hi rez. The sharpness in the image quality was nice and all, but I was expecting to be a little more blown away by what they are offering. I kinda got a weird "it's the same old shit" vibe. Like its this generation with a candy coating, ya know? I can't be the only one who feels this way, can I? =_(


All in all I'm starting to feel like updating the graphics just isn't gonna do it anymore.

ugh, the x360 is really this bad? good thing nintendo is bringing out the revolution...it's like they're the only ones bringing real next gen gaming

 

[Leatherface]

...and that's why I think I'm gonna go with the Revolution. It's all about innnovation after all, right guys? lol I'm kidding. I'm not really sold on anything next gen so far in all honesty.

Is Oblivion launching with the 360? If that and Perfect Dark make launch (and PD is somehow absolutely amazing), I'll possibly pick it up..maybe. If not Xbox 360 = 2006 purchase, when the real deal games start to flow in...(hopefully)

 

[Amir0x]

BETWEEN THE LIOOOOOONS!`

 

[Bebpo]

I expect this all the way up until launch, and then the people who did buy a console will be the true barometers.

Actually I don't really put anymore weight in the words of those who actually own a particular system/game vs. those who've just played it elsewhere. While some owners will give more accurate evaluations of the game/system in question, too many people these days tend to praise everything they buy just because they spend 'x' amount of money on it so it has to be good and they force themselves to believe it.

 

[Leatherface]

lol at all the detectives trying to figure me out. Listen guys, I swear I'm not trying to troll. All I've been doing is reading all about Xbox 360. I love a lot of the ideas they're putting into it. I was genuinely looking forward to it. I'm not saying the system sucks etc.. I just think I changed my mind about getting it at launch like I originally planned. I think I may end up waiting until 2006 sometime to pick it up.

I bet Gears of War would have sold me easily enough, but now it's pushed back until next year sometime, right? It's a shame, really. That would have been a killer app to launch with I'm betting.

 

[krypt0nian]

Actually I don't really put anymore weight in the words of those who actually own a particular system/game vs. those who've just played it elsewhere. While some owners will give more accurate evaluations of the game/system in question, too many people these days tend to praise everything they buy just because they spend 'x' amount of money on it so it has to be good and they force themselves to believe it.

The people with buyers remorse cancels out a lot of that IMO.

 

[Amir0x]

The people with buyers remorse cancels out a lot of that IMO.

I picked up a PSP at launch, in large part due to the overwhelming hyperbole surrounding its Japanese launch.

Guess what happened? Disappointment total. GTA:LCS had to JUST NOW save the day.

Xbox 360, PS3, Rev - same thing. Owners will praise the launch, say there's so many great games, such and such is unparalleled. And in less than 12 months, 99% of the games at the launches will be revealed for the mediocre pap they are and people will be proclaiming how they ever thought some of the games looked 'next-gen.'

 

[krypt0nian]

I picked up a PSP at launch, in large part due to the overwhelming hyperbole surrounding its Japanese launch.

Guess what happened? Disappointment total. GTA:LCS had to JUST NOW save the day.

Xbox 360, PS3, Rev - same thing. Owners will praise the launch, say there's so many great games, such and such is unparalleled. And in less than 12 months, 99% of the games at the launches will be revealed for the mediocre pap they are and people will be proclaiming how they ever thought some of the games looked 'next-gen.'

Some will some won't. And its a matter of taste. Ridge Racers, Wipeout Pure and Lumines were the only games I thought merited praise at launch. other thought more, or less. Its not a black/white thing.

And for me, those 3 games hold up just fine.

 

[Drozmight]

So... the 360 has gone nowhere?

 

[Leatherface]

I picked up a PSP at launch, in large part due to the overwhelming hyperbole surrounding its Japanese launch.

Guess what happened? Disappointment total. GTA:LCS had to JUST NOW save the day.

Xbox 360, PS3, Rev - same thing. Owners will praise the launch, say there's so many great games, such and such is unparalleled. And in less than 12 months, 99% of the games at the launches will be revealed for the mediocre pap they are and people will be proclaiming how they ever thought some of the games looked 'next-gen.'

I agree. I just got a DS recently and love it, but its at a time when finally, great games are dropping left and right. I bet I would have been pissed if I got it at launch. I would've probably sold that shit and be regretting it by now. heh.

 

[Amir0x]

Some will some won't. And its a matter of taste. Ridge Racers, Wipeout Pure and Lumines were the only games I thought merited praise at launch. other thought more, or less. Its not a black/white thing.

It's pretty black and white to me. Everything is technically subjective, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. But since this has consistently been the case at every single launch ever since gaming began, there will be no sudden exceptions. There will be one or two games AT BEST that stand the test of time for even a single year on any of the next-gen systems.

 

[krypt0nian]

So... the 360 has gone nowhere?

What could that possibly mean? Did the console leave the store? Go on vacation? :lol

 

[Leatherface]

I dunno. I think the N64 was a launch exception. I was completely blown away by Mario64 and Pilotwings. I think everyone was.

 

[Amir0x]

I dunno. I think the N64 was a launch exception. I was completely blown away by Mario64 and Pilotwings. I think everyone was.

I wasn't blown away by Pilotwings at all. Mario 64, yes.

But hey for N64, guess how many launch games there were in the US!

 

[krypt0nian]

It's pretty black and white to me. Everything is technically subjective, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. But since this has consistently been the case at every single launch ever since gaming began, there will be no sudden exceptions. There will be one or two games AT BEST that stand the test of time for even a single year on any of the next-gen systems.

But see whether they turn out to be average or not doesn't cancel out the fun people had with them, imagined or not. Or course not all games will turn out to be classics, but to shit on entire launches is disrespecting the feelings gamers had initially.

Otherwise, the best game is always to come next and you never live in the moment. I'm never going to argue that launch games on the whole will be AAA but they sure aren't overall crap.

 

[Leatherface]

Mario 64 was all that mattered tho. Didn't matter if that was the only launch title (which it almost was :lol).

 

[tetsuoxb]

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[Rhindle]

Man, it's too bad I lack the skills to recognize all the mediocre pap in the X360 lineup, so I can avoid wasting my money on the 90% of the line-up that looks outstanding to me (due to my lack of mediocre pap detection powers).

Also, that would allow me to avoid the self-delusion of enjoying my gaming experiences on the system for the first year, when I am should be holding my nose at all the mediocrity.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I was blown away by Pilot Wings for some reason...I think it holds a nostalgic factor to me. N64's Super Mario 64 (to me) is probably the best launch title ever.

 

[Amir0x]

Yeah, so ridge racers and lumines were mediocre pap.

I've never been a big fan of RR games, and Lumines had its own problems. It's still a great puzzle game, mind you. But again, what did I say? One or two games AT BEST will stand the test of time.

And last time I checked, you were being most of the hype on this board for the PSP. Lest you be reminded of the official thread you made, and your endless pimping of Lumines despite not even owning it...

I make an official launch thread for EVERY system. DS, PSP, 360 and soon PS3 and Rev. You should know that by now. Similarly, I never suggested I wasn't one to get sucked into the hype. What did I even say? I said I purchased PSP in large part because I did believe the hyperbole from Japanese launch.

Games, launch of not, stand up on their own or they don't... a derth of games after the fact does not affect the quality of a launch lineup.

Sure does. Because launch games are just that - they are games to fit a certain period of time, either for the initial sales bonus or for time constraints. They are distinctly more limited than the games that come after, and they rarely if ever show the true power a system holds, either in gameplay or otherwise.

So yes, to respond to kyrpt0nians statement, I do shit on peoples experiences with launch systems including my own. The experiences almost never hold up. I don't think I hold more than three launch games total with any sort of decent regard. Soul Calibur, Super Mario World... Mario 64. Perhaps Halo, still waffling on that.

 

[Leatherface]

Man, it's too bad I lack the skills to recognize all the mediocre pap in the X360 lineup, so I can avoid wasting my money on the 90% of the line-up that looks outstanding to me (due to my lack of mediocre pap detection powers).

Also, that would allow me to avoid the self-delusion of enjoying my gaming experiences on the system for the first year, when I am should be holding my nose at the mediocrity being displayed before me.

Nice. I give that a B. =P

I'm not trying to personally offend you bastards. I'm just giving my opinion, which believe it or not can in fact be different then yours!! =O

 

[BobTheFork]

What I start to wonder about is crappy games. Of course there are plenty to shitty games this generation. Next-gen games may LOOK better, but is anyone expecting the percentage of shitty made games to go down? Are people going to want to pay higher prices for a system and games if we have to wade through a bunch of sequels and polished turds waiting for a few good games to come out? Will buyers put up with over-hyped crap? I wonder if everyone is going to regret moving to next-gen when there are still some freakin' sweet games still coming out on all current systems.

 

[tetsuoxb]

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[Amir0x]

No you said 99% of launch games are crap.

There will be one or two games AT BEST that stand the test of time for even a single year on any of the next-gen systems.

Maybe I should have been more clear?

And the point I am making is that you do more to try and drive hype on whatever interests you than about any other poster that I am aware of... so coming back a year later and saying I have been bamboozled is basically an admission of god knows what...

God knows what indeed. I drive hype as much as needs be, as part of the community. It's fun to discuss games, and the pros and cons. And indeed, all systems will end up great. It's just a far cry from launch period than the quality of titles down the line. I understand you have more of a connection and thus might not appreciate people slagging off the work you guys do to try to get a game out at launch, but that's the way it crumbles eh. And I didn't say I was bamboozled. I just said it happens everytime, and I expect it. I bought into the hyperbole, as I usually do, and was disappointed. It's not very surprising to me, though, because this has always been the case. It was worse though with PS2. So angry was I with that launch I very nearly sold my system.

And your ideas about launch games are highly debatable, because it seems that you want to define games in terms of scope. Sure a launch title is limited, but the ideas within are not, and thus you judge the games based on the ideas within.....

I judge them by the value I get with my money. There's a billion games with great ideas that fall painfully short of anything close to the 40 or 50 I paid for it, and that doesn't go for just launch. Of course my ideas are debatable, would I ever suggest otherwise? As typically is the case though, I believe most launch titles fall short of everything in terms of setting the bar for any respective generation. Visuals, gameplay, content - you name it. Some lay solid groundwork, and the very rare stand up. But most? Barely average or garbage. As you already figured out, though, these are just my "highly debatable ideas."

Naturally, It doesn't help that next-gen games will cost 60 bucks (except first party Microsoft games, and I presume first party Sony games). Makes the issue a bit more dramatic for me personally.

 

[THE DUCK]

Yes, it's just another game machine. One that happens to have some powerfull hardware. Hard to judge an entire platform by one demo kiosk....very shallow way to make a decision.

For casuals, I can see compelling arguements for waiting to buy. For hardcore gamers, I see no excuse not to buy.

 

[tetsuoxb]

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[Leatherface]

For casuals, I can see compelling arguements for waiting to buy. For hardcore gamers, I see no excuse not to buy.

...unless there are no games that interest me at launch now. I'm shallow because of this? Do I need to look past enjoyment of what I'm playing and accept it's inner beauty? :lol

Listen, hardcore or not it's a $399 machine. I'm not spending that kind of cash on something that isn't immediately satisfiying. There are no killer apps at launch IMO (unless perfect dark does a 180 and turns out amazing). When Gears of War hits, my mind may change, but for now it's looking an aweful lot like a glorified Xbox without many games.


I almost bought into the hype. I'm glad I didn't though because I wouldn't really be happy with it right now.

 

[Amir0x]

I will cover this point in a little further on in the post... but I do want to mention that the fact I work in the industry just gives me a great appreciation of what it takes to make a game... it does not change my opinions on whether something is crap or not...

I didn't say it changes your opinion, just makes you more sensitive to the issues involved. Certainly much more than I am, as I don't work on videogames.

As for you buying into the hyperbole... either buy into it and be happy without or quit buying into it. You one, a common definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

It's a hobby. The reason I buy systems at launch is just a matter of being involved with the units, to discuss them with people and what not. I know that inevitably the systems will have great games, so I accept that what will usually first come out is crap. It's not so much insanity as realizing the investment will eventually pay off. In the mean time, I can come on message boards and bitch about it. Oh ho ho ho!

Then you are comparing apples to oranges. When you first got legos, what did you make? A house. The more you played with legos, the more complex things you made. It is absolutely delusional to expect more from others. You judge early games on a piece of hardware by their potential more than anything else. Of course you can say that Okami/Wanda/Ace Combat Zero looks better than some next gen games, but the people making Okami/Wanda/Ace Combat Zero have had their legos for much longer than the people making games with next gen machines. It isn't about setting the bar for the generation, it is about creating the framework for the generation... That is where you have gone astray.

I'm sorry, I don't allow these concessions. What you're saying is technically right - these people have just started using the legos. And indeed, the groundwork is just being laid. That doesn't change anything. In fact, it absolutely suppliments my opinion. The difference here is in perspective. I believe you're saying you feel that this is expected and thus the games are "good" for the time period and for what they were working with given what they must now learn. I am saying, that doesn't matter. Games, for me, are judged transcendant of present limitations. A great game is a great game, period. If a game has far less features, some less refined gameplay and some lower framerates because it was at launch, then it's a worse game to me for it. I'd choose the one that finally got it mostly right, not the one that had to deal with launch stress.

Don't even get me started on people who whine over next-gen game prices. That is a battle you would never win, so hopefully it won't even be started.

Hey, I understand why prices are going up. I'm not complaining about them. I'm merely saying that because they are going up I have to be even MORE picky about my purchases. As much as I would like to continue my buying habits exactly the same, I still have around the same amount of money to spend.

 

[Kseutron]

I picked up a PSP at launch, in large part due to the overwhelming hyperbole surrounding its Japanese launch.

Guess what happened? Disappointment total. GTA:LCS had to JUST NOW save the day.

Xbox 360, PS3, Rev - same thing. Owners will praise the launch, say there's so many great games, such and such is unparalleled. And in less than 12 months, 99% of the games at the launches will be revealed for the mediocre pap they are and people will be proclaiming how they ever thought some of the games looked 'next-gen.'

great wisdom detected

 

[ourumov]

I picked up a PSP at launch, in large part due to the overwhelming hyperbole surrounding its Japanese launch.

IIRC you were more excited than most of the owners...And nobody put a gun on your head to make you buy one. Same thing here.
PSP launch was awesome: Ridge Racers, Vampire Savior and Lumines made an awesome launch. Now it's different...It's RR6 and...RR6 ?... Did I say RR6 ?

 

[Amir0x]

IIRC you were more excited than most of the owners...And nobody put a gun on your head to make you buy one. Same thing here.

I was, yes. Because I "bought" into the hyperbole. And no doubt I helped create plenty of hype myself. Nobody said anyone put a gun to my head. Now just because I was hyped doesn't mean I was surprised by it. My expectations are always the same. I want the world, but usually get disappointed. It wasn't until a little under a week ago when GTA:LCS came out that I was finally happy with my investment.

So that's the defining factor. If I'm there at launch and hyping shit, I like to see the possibilities. It's a good investment. Doesn't mean the launch titles are anything to write home about, because most of the time they're not.

PSP launch was awesome: Ridge Racers, Vampire Savior and Lumines made an awesome launch. Now it's different...It's RR6 and...RR6 ?... Did I say RR6 ?

Out of PSP launch, Lumines will probably be the only one that really sticks with me. And I'm sure Lumines 2 will promptly erase that from my memory too.

But that's just my personal opinion.

I'm not trying to diss any system, only to establish that I think launches are worthless and filled with pointless hyperbole (some even from myself), and are almost never indicative of the quality of the titles or what the system will offer down the line. I hope that clears things up enough, whether you disagree with me or not.

 

[dorio]

Can we get one "I saw the 360 kiosk and was underwhelmed." thread.

 

[Lyte Edge]

[2000] Man, I just played the Playstation 2 today, and I am feeling very underwhelmed. The games look like PSOne titles in high res! Ridge Racer V looked no better than R4, and Street Fighter EX3 didn't look much better either. It even had slowdown! This generation is going to be very underwhelming. [/2000]

This generation is coming to an end, and the most visuall-impressive titles are out now for the current platforms. How did the 360 stack up to the Xbox games from 2001, like DOA3, Project Gotham Racing, and Halo?

 

[ourumov]

I am currently playing Burnout Revenge and the game is actually pretty impressive. Now IF the game was for the 360 I would be saying that it looks like crap. That's how the game is played. But when some company is hyping you and trying to sell you the next-gen cake...well, you should have that right at least.
Regarding what you claim Lyte...dunno. When I saw RRV I was pretty hyped. There were so many things on screen (the city felt so real) that I was actually impressed. And the same happened to me before with Soul Calibur.
Now the feeling is much less pronounced...even with like 99 Knights, MGS4 or PGR3 to say some games. Even though they are the ones I find most impressive.

 

[Amir0x]

I am currently playing Burnout Revenge and the game is actually pretty impressing. Now IF the game was for the 360 I would be saying that it looks like crap. That's how the game is played. But when some company is hyping you and trying to sell you the next-gen cake...well, you should have that right at least.
Regarding what you claim Lyte...dunno. When I saw RRV I was pretty hyped. There were so many things on screen (the city felt so real) that I was actually impressed. And the same happened to me before with Soul Calibur.
Now the feeling is much less pronounced...even with like 99 Knights, MGS4 or PGR3 to say some games. Even though they are the ones I find most impressing.

I think you're looking for "impressive." Don't wanna take away from your points, just thought I'd point that out for you

 

[ourumov]

Yep, the correct adjective is impressive. Thanks Amir0x ...sometimes (well, actually a lot of times) my bad english makes an appearance.