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[Amir0x]

Yep, the correct adjective is impressive. Thanks Amir0x ...sometimes (well, actually a lot of times) my bad english makes an appearance.

I understand. It happens.

As to PS2, I was pretty impressed visually by RRV. But when launch came, I think I only even moderately enjoyed SSX

I had, man, what did I buy... SSX, Summoner, Dynasty Warriors? There was something else don't remember.

 

[Merlin]

It is quite a boring console at the moment. Same old shit with better graphics. Reminds me of the PS2 launch line-up which was just as bad.

 

[Lighting Gels]

Microsoft is happy on hearing those PS2 comparisons

No more shitty prelaunch impressions!!!!

 

[Deleted member 1235]

i remember feeling like this after 1 night rental of a ps2 console when they first came out. I still bought it. I can see it happening again.

 

[Lyte Edge]

I am currently playing Burnout Revenge and the game is actually pretty impressive. Now IF the game was for the 360 I would be saying that it looks like crap.

We'll find out next year just how Burnout Revenge will look on the XBox 360 compared to the current gen versions. I'm very interested in seeing how it turns out; same with Dynasty Warriors, although I don't expect as much from Koei with that title.

Regarding what you claim Lyte...dunno. When I saw RRV I was pretty hyped. There were so many things on screen (the city felt so real) that I was actually impressed. And the same happened to me before with Soul Calibur.

Soul Calibur was the first title of this gen to be so impressive, IMO. Nothing before it looked that good, and it was the first time that a 3D fighting game was far better than its arcade counterpart from a visual standpoint.

But Soul Calibur was a Dreamcast game, not a Playstation 2 game. Ridge Racer V's city didn't feel "real" to me at all. It even used some of the same tracks/areas from previous games; the car details were the biggest leap over the PSX versions to me.

I can recall reading plenty of posts on various forums/newsgroups from people saying the PS2 wasn't impressive, they just use it for playing PSOne games, etc. I can see the same thing happening with the next generation, and after the first year or so, it will all be forgotten.

 

[Laurent]

...and I came away pretty disappointed overall. The system looked nice. The controllers were perfect..The games just didn't do it at all for me. I felt like they we're Xbox games in hi rez. The sharpness in the image quality was nice and all, but I was expecting to be a little more blown away by what they are offering. I kinda got a weird "it's the same old shit" vibe. Like its this generation with a candy coating, ya know? I can't be the only one who feels this way, can I? =_(


All in all I'm starting to feel like updating the graphics just isn't gonna do it anymore.

"Withz our competzitzor, itz is the sfame old shit..."

 

[tetsuoxb]

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[rastex]

It is quite a boring console at the moment. Same old shit with better graphics.

Ya, then you know absolutely nothing of the console. It probably introduces more new services and features at launch than any other console before it.

 

[gofreak]

Ya, then you know absolutely nothing of the console. It probably introduces more new services and features at launch than any other console before it.

Actually, I don't think it does. But I think he's talking about games. And I think it's a legitimate concern with regards to 99% of what we've seen of next-gen so far, unfortunately.

And screw it - I do indeed hope to fuck Rev does show us something genuinely new and different.

 

[rastex]

Actually, I don't think it does. But I think he's talking about games. And I think it's a legitimate concern with regards to 99% of what we've seen of next-gen so far, unfortunately.

And screw it - I do indeed hope to fuck Rev does show us something genuinely new and different.

I can go through the marketing bullet-point list with you, but I'd rather not. But frig, there's really no other way to support my argument, so here it is, and I'm probably forgetting some

Achievements - a standardized way to track and demonstrate a player's accomplishments in a game. Allows others to get a gauge as to how in depth a particular gamer has played a certain game. Also shows other players what type of player each other are, do they go for 100% completion, or just finish the game and be done with it?

Global Xbox Live Awareness - Having a persistent online presense as soon as the console opens up. By itself it's not that special, but when you combine it with the other actions the console let's you do, it becomes something that is really cool. This is one my favourite features actually.

Global Custom Soundtracks - no explanation necessary really

Xbox Live Arcade - integrated seamlessly into the console. Go between playing a full-game to an XBLA game in seconds, and play old classics with updated graphics and online multiplayer! Also has a very strong relationship with Indie developers with a great publishing plan with them, that will be a GREAT enabler for more indie game development. Another one of my favourite features.

Individual Gamer Profiles - used for things like controller setups. Why does my brother have to set his joystick to inverted in EVERY single game he plays? Instead of each game having an individual profile, all the games will use the same profile as the base, so the same basic options don't have to be continually reset.

Persistent Dashboard - the fact that you can access the dashboard anytime during your use of the system. This enables you to switch tasks seamlessly and extremely quickly, without having to get up and reboot the console.

Media Streaming - exists on current consoles, but this is built-in and works seamlessly with the console, which allows for some really cool Use Cases. I can be watching TV streamed from my Media Center computer while waiting for my tournament opponent to show up. As soon as he comes online a notification will pop up OVER what I'm watching, and I can instantly switch into that game and set the game up. Another great feature, one that I use extensively with XBMC, and having it integrated with the console makes it so much cooler. I will be keeping XBMC around because it is one of the greatest things ever, you can even play content from INSIDE of a .bin that's compressed inside of a .rar!

Marketplace - ya, people trivialize this with "microtransactions!" but I've seen the game development process first hand, and I totally appreciate the potential the marketplace has to help the industry stay healthy. Why should a lot of the artists or level designers get laid off between full production cycles? If you can keep those same people on, producing professional content that they'll get paid for, then you keep the artists employed which is a GOOD thing, and extend the life of your game, which is a GOOD thing. Whether that revenue comes direction from the transaction itself, or if it comes from a sponsor that will pay to have the content up for free with a logo, doesn't matter.

Xbox Live Gold - a lot of people don't see the benefit to this, but I've seen the changes on the development side, and the money that MS is putting into the service that's going to translate into some kick-ass experiences. They've made it SUPER easy to setup teams, tournaments, leagues, etc, so a lot more games will have those features, and they'll be implemented a lot better, with some standardization which makes things even easier to use.

edit to add another thing:
Global Voice Chat - maybe this should go with Global Xbox Live Awareness, but this definitely deserves particular attention. No matter what I'm doing on the console, I can open up my friends list at any time and start a voice chat with someone, that will continue as I go back to whatever it was that I was doing. I can be playing a game, watching tv a movie or whatever, see my brother come online, start talking to him and just keep talking to him while I watch tv. After a while we decide we want to play some Joust multiplayer, 10 seconds later we're in.

All of these features come packed in Day One the moment you open your box. What other system has introduced so many services on day one?

 

[gofreak]

All of these features come packed in Day One the moment you open your box. What other system has introduced so many services on day one?

Services are one thing, but you talked about features also, and previous systems have introduced as many and more significantly, more important "features" in the past. The things you mentioned are obvious extensions and really just small things (most of them).

But you're clearly missing his and my point - we're talking about games.

 

[ourumov]

I can go through the marketing bullet-point list with you, but I'd rather not. But frig, there's really no other way to support my argument, so here it is, and I'm probably forgetting some

Achievements - a standardized way to track and demonstrate a player's accomplishments in a game. Allows others to get a gauge as to how in depth a particular gamer has played a certain game. Also shows other players what type of player each other are, do they go for 100% completion, or just finish the game and be done with it?

Global Xbox Live Awareness - Having a persistent online presense as soon as the console opens up. By itself it's not that special, but when you combine it with the other actions the console let's you do, it becomes something that is really cool. This is one my favourite features actually.

Global Custom Soundtracks - no explanation necessary really

Xbox Live Arcade - integrated seamlessly into the console. Go between playing a full-game to an XBLA game in seconds, and play old classics with updated graphics and online multiplayer! Also has a very strong relationship with Indie developers with a great publishing plan with them, that will be a GREAT enabler for more indie game development. Another one of my favourite features.

Individual Gamer Profiles - used for things like controller setups. Why does my brother have to set his joystick to inverted in EVERY single game he plays? Instead of each game having an individual profile, all the games will use the same profile as the base, so the same basic options don't have to be continually reset.

Persistent Dashboard - the fact that you can access the dashboard anytime during your use of the system. This enables you to switch tasks seamlessly and extremely quickly, without having to get up and reboot the console.

Media Streaming - exists on current consoles, but this is built-in and works seamlessly with the console, which allows for some really cool Use Cases. I can be watching TV streamed from my Media Center computer while waiting for my tournament opponent to show up. As soon as he comes online a notification will pop up OVER what I'm watching, and I can instantly switch into that game and set the game up. Another great feature, one that I use extensively with XBMC, and having it integrated with the console makes it so much cooler. I will be keeping XBMC around because it is one of the greatest things ever, you can even play content from INSIDE of a .bin that's compressed inside of a .rar!

Marketplace - ya, people trivialize this with "microtransactions!" but I've seen the game development process first hand, and I totally appreciate the potential the marketplace has to help the industry stay healthy. Why should a lot of the artists or level designers get laid off between full production cycles? If you can keep those same people on, producing professional content that they'll get paid for, then you keep the artists employed which is a GOOD thing, and extend the life of your game, which is a GOOD thing. Whether that revenue comes direction from the transaction itself, or if it comes from a sponsor that will pay to have the content up for free with a logo, doesn't matter.

Xbox Live Gold - a lot of people don't see the benefit to this, but I've seen the changes on the development side, and the money that MS is putting into the service that's going to translate into some kick-ass experiences. They've made it SUPER easy to setup teams, tournaments, leagues, etc, so a lot more games will have those features, and they'll be implemented a lot better, with some standardization which makes things even easier to use.

edit to add another thing:
Global Voice Chat - maybe this should go with Global Xbox Live Awareness, but this definitely deserves particular attention. No matter what I'm doing on the console, I can open up my friends list at any time and start a voice chat with someone, that will continue as I go back to whatever it was that I was doing. I can be playing a game, watching tv a movie or whatever, see my brother come online, start talking to him and just keep talking to him while I watch tv. After a while we decide we want to play some Joust multiplayer, 10 seconds later we're in.

All of these features come packed in Day One the moment you open your box. What other system has introduced so many services on day one?

What if I don't have internet ? Does any of the above improve ANYTHING on my gaming experience?

 

[rastex]

Services are one thing, but you talked about features also, and previous systems have introduced as many and more significantly, more important "features" in the past. The things you mentioned are obvious extensions and really just small things (most of them).

But you're clearly missing his and my point - we're talking about games.

Don't trivialize the services, it's a silly thing to do. YOU may not see any value in them, but there's definitely A LOT of value there for some people, meaning there is value Period. All the services that I mentioned will big impact on the overall experience of using the device, including playing the games. There's also a lot of things that MS are doing behind the scenes on the development side of things that are going to have a positive impact on games. I mentioned it briefly with how easy it is to setup tournaments and that type of thing, but there are a lot more and deeper ways that MS is helping devs, and guiding them as well.

If you want to cast the discussion into a very narrow focus that analyzes one aspect of the device, well I think that's pretty useless because these boxes come in a whole and you have to think about them as such.

What if I don't have internet ? Does any of the above improve ANYTHING on my gaming experience?

Uh... can't you just see what features apply for yourself? I'll give you the quick answer that ya, there's definitely more than one thing. The fact that you asked this is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Xrenity]

***

Who cares about Xbox Live :\
Xbox Live is already working on Xbox. I don't care for market places and stuff like it.
Most people (aka mainstream) won't be using it anyway.

 

[Norse]

"its all the same stuff with better graphics"

Can we get over it? Of course its the same ol stuff with better graphics. Thats how the gaming industry has operated for a long time. Why change when you sell billions of dollars of the same ol stuff? And no, having a new remote controller isnt going to do it either.

Listen, I still have fun playing this stuff, and the fact the graphics keep getting better is nothing but good news. King kong was on the local x360 and after watching a kid play for 10 mins I was sold. Game looks awesome....and sounds even better.

As far as GAF members opinions on games......well, lets just say only a very few here hold any weight. When I see repeated threads on how bad such and such game looks even though the screenshots look incredible tells me GAF has moved away from truth and gone the political route instead.

 

[Chi-Town]

It's hard to get any kind of real feel for people's reactions based upon 3 early demos.

The first time I played an Xbox was at an EB and it was running Fuzion Frenzy. People's reactions weren't exactly through the roof.

The next time I stopped at that EB, they had Halo running in the Xbox. People were reacting differently.

 

[gofreak]

Don't trivialize the services, it's a silly thing to do. YOU may not see any value in them, but there's definitely A LOT of value there for some people, meaning there is value Period. All the services that I mentioned will big impact on the overall experience of using the device, including playing the games.

I'd disagree. They are quite peripheral, sans actually playing with other real people around the world.

Can we get over it? Of course its the same ol stuff with better graphics. Thats how the gaming industry has operated for a long time. Why change when you sell billions of dollars of the same ol stuff?

The business case for risk aversion, to a point, is understandable. At least in the short term. But honestly, who cares? Why should we care? Should we not lament the situation?

I agree graphics getting better is a good thing, but the point is I can fully understand why some people may feel "bored" when we're entering into a third generation of 3D machines where the improvement in a lot of games is mostly skin-deep. We had a free ride to "revolution" with 2D->3D, but surely we can't be content with just "better 3D" wrapped around the same old same old from now on.

 

[ourumov]

Don't trivialize the services, it's a silly thing to do. YOU may not see any value in them, but there's definitely A LOT of value there for some people, meaning there is value Period. All the services that I mentioned will big impact on the overall experience of using the device, including playing the games. There's also a lot of things that MS are doing behind the scenes on the development side of things that are going to have a positive impact on games. I mentioned it briefly with how easy it is to setup tournaments and that type of thing, but there are a lot more and deeper ways that MS is helping devs, and guiding them as well.

If you want to cast the discussion into a very narrow focus that analyzes one aspect of the device, well I think that's pretty useless because these boxes come in a whole and you have to think about them as such.



Uh... can't you just see what features apply for yourself? I'll give you the quick answer that ya, there's definitely more than one thing. The fact that you asked this is pretty ridiculous.

Hmm..dunno but all the non-XB Live related stuff it's also non-gaming related stuff...

 

[rastex]

I'd disagree. They are quite peripheral, sans actually playing with other real people around the world.

Alright, if all you're going to do is reply to my posts with short one-answers I'm done with this discussion. At least provide some arguments, geez.

 

[FirstInHell]

A Walmart in Wilton, CT just got their kiosk set up. There were a few 5-7 year old kids (no parents in sight) surrounding the thing even though it was frozen and looked like it crashed on the dashboard.

The controller is the most perfect game controller I have ever touched (even though I did not get a chance to play).

 

[trmas]

I'm glad I won the 360 as there are some games I think are worth renting, but I would not have put the money down for one after playing the demos myself. The console itself looks nice, and the controller is great. Potential looks nice.

Games are meh at best. However, having joined Gamefly I'll be playing them anyways once my 360 arrives. At least I'm not buying them...

 

[ArcadeStickMonk]

That's a mighty nice list, Rastex, but features are secondary to games that can use them.
Honestly, in my case, there's no launch game for the 360 that lights my fire (I'm assuming Oblivion has slipped?)

Like any seasoned and invested gamer, I am interested in the 360 like I am with any new system and the tech it brings. But it's just a nebulous hope that games in general will get better with the new generation; I've no focused anticipation for the 360 itself.

When I game that I need to play comes out (Oblivion), then I'll feel desire for the system itself. And when a game that I need to play supports all the features in your list, then I'll be excited about the features.

 

[Norse]

It's hard to get any kind of real feel for people's reactions based upon 3 early demos.

The first time I played an Xbox was at an EB and it was running Fuzion Frenzy. People's reactions weren't exactly through the roof.

The next time I stopped at that EB, they had Halo running in the Xbox. People were reacting differently.

BRILLIANT!! Listen to chi-town....hits the nail right on the head.

This should have been the first response to this thread as well as the other "I saw an x360 in thee wild!" threads. Then each of them should have been locked.

 

[Chiggs]

ugh, the x360 is really this bad? good thing nintendo is bringing out the revolution...it's like they're the only ones bringing real next gen gaming

:lol :lol :lol

Well played, sir.

 

[Xrenity]

Alright, if all you're going to do is reply to my posts with short one-answers I'm done with this discussion. At least provide some arguments, geez.

Well, there's really not much to say about your posts :x

 

[Zaphod]

BRILLIANT!! Listen to chi-town....hits the nail right on the head.

This should have been the first response to this thread as well as the other "I saw an x360 in thee wild!" threads. Then each of them should have been locked.

So we can't talk about the 360 demos until the games are of an acceptable quality?

 

[Norse]

So we can't talk about the 360 demos until the games are of an acceptable quality?

After chi-towns response, there is no need for the rest of this thread.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

anyone from Toronto actually see any kiosks in stores?

 

[ToyMachine228]

I played both Call of Duty 2 and King Kong on 360 last night, and liked them both. As many people have said, the Xbox 360 isn't going to change the way we play games. It is however, taking everything putting it on a larger more impressive scale, with more detail. By doing this, a lot of new doors and opportunities open up for new experiences within the style of games we already have. And that's definitely fine by me.

 

[Sathsquatch]

What if I don't have internet ? Does any of the above improve ANYTHING on my gaming experience?

You don't have the internet? How are you posting then? Who buys a game console that costs hundreds of dollars but doesn't have the internet?

 

[rastex]

That's a mighty nice list, Rastex, but features are secondary to games that can use them.
Honestly, in my case, there's no launch game for the 360 that lights my fire (I'm assuming Oblivion has slipped?)

Like any seasoned and invested gamer, I am interested in the 360 like I am with any new system and the tech it brings. But it's just a nebulous hope that games in general will get better with the new generation; I've no focused anticipation for the 360 itself.

When I game that I need to play comes out (Oblivion), then I'll feel desire for the system itself. And when a game that I need to play supports all the features in your list, then I'll be excited about the features.

You see them as secondary, I seem that as part and parcel to the experience of the device as a whole. I'm also talking about the potential for greatness and the initial headstart these features will bring. You have to think about the entire experience.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

can we have one official thread where the people who wouldn't buy a 360 talk about their kiosk experiences? i'm not particularly impressed with the launch games so far, but for these guys it seems to be like some rite of passage right now.

 

[Panajev2001a]

This is all quite stupid.

Comparing the very best of today with rushed launch games.

Normally, I'd be a tad more demanding from launch games, although not by too much. Still, you do have to recognize that although MS delivered great tools to developers and tried to play it smart by giving them hardware early on, well that kinda backfired on them.

The performance difference between the G5 based early XDK's and the current XeCPU based ones is quite big and in some cases it goes way up while in other goes way down, the new processor needs different tricks and attentions for maximum performance to be extracted.

Xenos too has brought some major pains to developers: I do not think many of them thought of their rendering engine as tile-aware from day 1 (for HDR, 720p and even 2xAA rendering will be split in tiles on Xenos as not everything is going to fit inside VRAM).

Another problem with launch-titles is that we have a great jumo in performance, but not much time (unless the developer did a lot of well planned design work even before getting any dev-kit and trying to have a clear focus on what he/she wanted to bring to the table and got a good amount of time to think it through... see MGS 4started earlier than we all expected) to think through how to use it assuming you can extract it well enough.

If someone gives you Jak 3's source code and assets and a ready Project setting and all and asks you to deliver the next big thing by the next-day's after-noon you will likely just edit some textures if you can and re-compile it with a different executable name trying to skip all the screens saying Jak & Daxter III .

Surely lots of developers focus on QUICK ways to wow the audience and so the try to give a good "next-generation" look while still transitioning from their last-generation tools and art assets to their next-generation ones. What I am trying to say is that yes developers try to push graphics for Xbox 360's launch games (while the core of the game still is deeply rooted in the older-generation), but that there can be several reasons why they are not even too effective at it as they lack the time to really even push the graphics envelope.

Graphics have progressed a lot and thus it is more difficult, yet still possible, to make users notice a jump forward: it is starting to be a more time-consuming process... requiring more and better trained staff to come up with the right technology and after that to make good use of that technology.

PLAYSTATION 3 IMHO, "normalizing the time-lines of the two consoles", is receiving dev kits with performance closer to the final hardware earlier than what MS was able to provide (at least there is already a CELL based CPU in there) still it will likely be a bit tougher on some coders so that will probably limit several launch games, but we have already gone through such a situation when PlayStation 2 launched. We have all witnessed how much games have improoved on that console since launch. I am just saying, I think, that we will see (for a variety of reasons, some shared and some unique to each machine) a big change between first-generation games and second/third-generation games on ALL three platforms.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

You don't have the internet? How are you posting then? Who buys a game console that costs hundreds of dollars but doesn't have the internet?

That's not the point. Not everyone has the internet.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

That's not the point. Not everyone has the internet.

im pretty sure anyone who is putting down $399 on game system has the internet.


Also if you are aware enough to have preordered one at launch chances are you have internet.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Live Arcade, including true indie games, plus new Live stuff like Achievements and Global Awareness really does change the experience for some console gamers.

How many, I have no idea. But I'm certainly more excited by features like that, and even the Revolution controller, than the graphics of any of the next three systems.

I bought PS2 at launch (intending to keep it) and eBayed it used, by christmas. That's how disgusted I was with the launch. Nothing new, some prettier graphics, and mostly lousy games.

I bought another one a year later.

System launches are overhyped.

 

[Leatherface]

The games so far just aren't impressing me enough to buy the system yet. I'm sorry if this hurts some of you. I'm hurt too though. A few days ago I was dead set on buying the 360 and a couple launch games. Now all I have are my emotions... =_(


If it makes you feel any better we can breakdance fight each other! =O

 

[bitwise]

ugh.. stfu already

dumbest poster ever

 

[Helznicht]

New games & better graphics = more money. Always has been, always will.


PC Gamers laugh at us console hippys whining over how there is only like one launch game you like and not buying the hardware to play it cause its not justified, even though you know there are several more games that interest you coming out in a few months. The fact is PC gamers drop more money at one time for just ONE game usually. Cause in the PC world, its the games that drive generations, not the hardware (shorter cycles too).

I also know many here bitching will be buying the PS3 versions of these same 360 games with same tired last gen gameplay in a few months. Thats great, your money, you spend it how you see best.

Just please one request. QUIT TRYING TO TELL OTHERS HOW TO SPEND THIERS!

thxs

 

[Particle Physicist]

Uh... can't you just see what features apply for yourself? I'll give you the quick answer that ya, there's definitely more than one thing. The fact that you asked this is pretty ridiculous.

i have a broadband connection and there are only two things i care about. live arcade seems cool.. and im really really hoping that MS starts hosting games on their servers this gen.. i wont pay for live if they dont..

im pretty sure anyone who is putting down $399 on game system has the internet.

not everyone has broadband. also, not everyone has an hdtv (its still the minority you know)

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I'm hurt too though. A few days ago I was dead set on buying the 360 and a couple launch games. Now all I have are my emotions

Like I said eariler today, dude in his last 4 pages of posts, you can count on one hand how many times he's posted in Xbox related threads.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

The fact is PC gamers drop more money at one time for just ONE game usually.

Thats because a good PC game can last you months if not years

 

[Helznicht]

Thats because a good PC game can last you months if not years

Agreed, games just like Oblivion.

 

[Leatherface]

ugh.. stfu already

You know what? blow me... Seriously. Some of you need to fucking relax. I wasn't attacking you, I was expressing my opinion about my experience with the 360. I'm not cracking on your momma. I don't even have a hidden agenda, yet with out fail, there are always the typical shit heads that will come in and flame like I personally offended them.

I made this thread to see what some of you guys thought about the 360 after finally getting some hands on with the thing. I came away a bit underwhelmed for now. Stop trying to dissect this into a fanboy combat thread. I like Microsoft. I like my Xbox and I most likely will be getting the 360, just not at launch. I'm simply a little disappointed after probably hyping myself up too much.

 

[Helznicht]

made this thread to see what some of you guys thought about the 360 after finally getting some hands on with the thing.

Played it Yesterday for the first time hooked up right in full HD (my Walmart had it jacked up in 480 stretch for several days). Played a few minutes of Kameo and want to go back and finish the demo at lunch tomorrow I enjoyed it so much.

I watched some one else play COD2, but I didnt as I have played the demo on my HTPC, but did see some additional & better effects, and running much smoother than my X800 ran it, so all good there....

 

[Red Blaster]

I dunno about you guys, but I was quite impressed with the PS2 launch title graphics. 60 fps in games like Dynasty Warriors 2, Tekken Tag, and SSX were groovy.

 

[mj1108]

If this thread started out with "OMG 360 IZ TEH GREATESTZ, I'M BLOWN AWAI!!!!", then this thread would have turned out to be a complete 180 of what this one did. And the reason for this is just as he pointed out: some people take it as though he insulted your mothers. Relax. Launch periods tend to have a lot of crap as it is. Give developers time to get accustomed to the hardware and learn it and in a year we'll start seeing some really amazing stuff.

 

[koam]

What are you bitching about? Next gen doesn't start until next year, we all know that don't we?


Edit:
I played the Xbox 360 at E3 and I was dissappointed, none of the games blew me away, they looked like good PC games. However, I also realize these are first gen games that are mostly rush jobs in order to meet the launch window. Next year, we will start to see second generation xbox 360 games and the PS3 will come out with ports of these 2nd gen games, then people will be wowed.

 

[bitwise]

You know what? blow me... Seriously. Some of you need to fucking relax. I wasn't attacking you, I was expressing my opinion about my experience with the 360. I'm not cracking on your momma. I don't even have a hidden agenda, yet with out fail, there are always the typical shit heads that will come in and flame like I personally offended them.

I made this thread to see what some of you guys thought about the 360 after finally getting some hands on with the thing. I came away a bit underwhelmed for now. Stop trying to dissect this into a fanboy combat thread. I like Microsoft. I like my Xbox and I most likely will be getting the 360, just not at launch. I'm simply a little disappointed after probably hyping myself up too much.

wank wank wank

 

[Dr_Cogent]

I hate it when people whine about people who whine.

What about people who whine about people who whine about people who whine?

:lol