Seriously. Why aren't they doing FPP?
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Seriously. Why aren't they doing FPP?
All the best hardcore milsims use third person. Older Rainbox Six, SOCOM, this and ARMA all have third person options.
Go play your Call of Duty if you want FPP only!
Daffy Duck
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Woo-Fu
Banned
She has/does. Also has been a caster for world of tanks in the past, don't know if she still does that.
She is weird caster. Calls everything like she sees it and doesn't try force hype that isn't there.
I like her.
ebullientprism
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Pansy is great in CSGO. She cant rescue this dreck though.
Daffy Duck
Member
Maybe I just wasn't getting her earlier based off all the other OMGZ AMAZINGS! casters I have heard on CoD stuff in the past, just really took me back with her brutal honesty. Lol.
How-to shoehorn e-sport on a game not fit for it in the worst mode it has to offer 101
Lol what
I am highly, very, super serious about that!
Woo-Fu
Banned
They're playing three rounds, two more to go.
I think that even in a best case scenario PUBG spectating will never be a particularly pleasant experience, but this is pretty trash so far. There's no information on screen (and when there is it's not presented well) and camera work is incredibly bad making it very hard to follow anything.
ebullientprism
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I think they saw the insane response this had on twitch and thought it would translate into e sports. After all, if people are already watching random shmucks play why wouldnt they watch good players play.
It doesnt work that way.
The current Observer isnt doing a great job of it but even if they were, I dont know how you could make a game that has 100 players active easy to follow. It is literally impossible. It is only watchable once it drops down to 10 players or so.
It is but with FPP you have to stick yourself out more to view around things and can't peek as effectively which makes the game more dangerous for you i.e. more exciting
I mean, it basically is the default as first person was only recently added, but there's no denying that being able to see around corners just cheapens fights as you could see in that final 1v1 just now. (although Break did whiff a ton of shots)
fluffydelusions
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EDIT: nm
it encourages passive and defensive play, you are much more likely to win a fight if you sit behind your cover and just wait dor the other guy to get impatient and leave cover.
Yeah, I don't think it's really cheap so much as it's a bit more boring. I wish they at least had a FPP tournament also so that people could compare.
Woo-Fu
Banned
They're doing duo first person.
Yeah ok I can see that.
it does, but it balances the game weirdly and results in situations that aren't fun to play or watch.
two people standing behind trees on opposite sides of a field and not wanting to move because the opponent would get free shots at them is dumb. it also encourages camping.
Oh awesome! That'll be good to see how it works out as a viewer. Only problem I could see arising is that FPP is a bit janky looking.
loot isn't completely random in that some areas tend to have better stuff but within that area i think all buildings are random and generally the same
i've only heard people refer to building covers wrt enemies, like "there's a guy in the red 2 story at 150" or whatever
ebullientprism
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Just landmarks.
Loot is absolutely random, although some areas (like the millitary base) do tend to contain more/higher quality loot. It is never House or building specific though.
A Serious Man
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Don't jump out of moving vehicles people. That's 101 shit.
Any system is even odds since it's shared by all players, but third person cheapens the game by making the dominant playstyle one of inaction rather than action, camping cover with no repercussions because you can see everything without revealing yourself is inherently cheap even if all players are doing it.
First person creates a scenario where you have to risk something (your presence) in order to gain information, and creates gameplay that's far more interesting to both play and watch as tactics like pushing or flanking or rushing all become viable.
Example: Two players 20m apart fight behind rocks, both players take shots and are reduced in hp.
Third person: Both players use medkit while watching to see if the other player moves, stalemate ensues basically.
First person: You must choose to medkit or peek or rush or retreat or etc, there is no guaranteed safe option. If you use the medkit the other player can choose to rush you which will probably win the fight for them, if you peek their rush you probably win the fight, maybe you use the medkit but rely on hearing footsteps and sharp reflexes? So many opportunities.
It gets even more ridiculous when you consider all the house camping scenarios 3rd person provides while first person gives attackers many more options to attack an entrenched position and reduce stalemates.
Stalemates are not enjoyable to watch or play, third person resolves them exclusively with lucky grenades OR circle positioning.
Third person is so not the way to broadcast this. I hoped people figured out by now that FPP is where this game shines.
Every time I watch a stream that's in third person I shake my damn head at the sheer nonsensical stuff going on that just breaks encounters. This game is no fun when players can just tilt the camera to look over any obstacle or inside any house or building. It also rewards campers with near 360 degree awareness without giving away their position.
Every time I watch a stream that's in third person I shake my damn head at the sheer nonsensical stuff going on that just breaks encounters. This game is no fun when players can just tilt the camera to look over any obstacle or inside any house or building. It also rewards campers with near 360 degree awareness without giving away their position.
ebullientprism
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Cut away from a tense firefight to see some guy healing.
10/10 observing.
10/10 observing.
Yes, everyone can take turns having wallhack. Definitely not cheap.
A Serious Man
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Seriously, who is directing this?
Camping isn't really a problem if you have good camera operators. With 100 people in the game, you can just switch to a different perspective but either they don't have the tools to do that effectively or the operator is pretty bad.
Edit: Yeah, this current standoff is a great example of why third PP is not great. Dude on the roof is completely safe but still has full view on the man out at the trees. Move that to FPP and he has to expose himself to keep a view.
Camping will be worse in FPP in tourney, not better. FPP improves engagements, encourages mobility, but does not incline players to seek out fights. When you're in a tournament with money on the line you're not going to run around looking for action like streamers do to entertain their viewers.
Crimsonclaw111
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ESPORTS READY
Exactly.
Explain how?
Crimsonclaw111
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I love both modes as well. Different flavors.Seems like people either like FPP and then hate TPP, or vice versa.
Am I a weirdo if I like both modes? ¯_(ツ_/¯