michael000
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Leave it to analysts to be paid the big bucks to state the obvious.
PlayStation Portable Likely to Be Big Hit
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mashoutposse
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jarrod said:
Now, it's you who missed the point
You're trying to draw a parallel between the PSP and DC, but the big difference is that Sony, the market leader, had a bigger and better system right aroud the corner (unveiled March 1999), with concrete details to boot mere days after the US Dreamcast launch.
Let's see if Nintendo has it in them to unveil a PSP-beating GBA2 at E3 2005.
Sony's console didn't release until 18 months after Dreamcast though, hell DC details started trickling out in early 1998, also a good 1.5 years before any PS2 details... you'll have to wait until mid 2006 before seeing if your reaching comparison holds.mashoutposse said:Now, it's you who missed the point
You're trying to draw a parallel between the PSP and DC, but the big difference is that Sony, the market leader, had a bigger and better system right aroud the corner (unveiled March 1999), with concrete details to boot mere days after the US Dreamcast launch.
Let's see if Nintendo has it in them to unveil a PSP-beating GBA2 at E3 2005.
My comparison was strictly on 3D visual performance, which evolutionary by nature. PSP isn't mystic technology or anything, mobile solutions will surpass it in a matter of months.
Nipping at the heels as usual. Go chase somthing else.ypo said:
mashoutposse
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jarrod said:Sony's console didn't release until 18 months after Dreamcast though... you'll have to wait until mid 2006 before seeing if your reaching comparison holds.
Of course, it was unveiled just over 90 days from the DC JPN launch, and the specs mentioned looked to blow it away. Again, we'll have to wait and see if Nintendo's willing to do something similar.
Of course, it isn't "mystic," but it is way ahead of the curve. Just curious, though -- what mobile devices do you anticipate doing what PSP does better (or even comparably)?
Probably not, as Nintendo usually starts leaking details a year or so before a platform launch. They're not about to cannibalize DS either, they're not Sega.mashoutposse said:
MBX is an exciting solution, essentially a Dreamcast on a chip from what I understand. Sony's not so much ahead of the curve as they are lacking in direct competition. They're just the only ones making a high end loss taking handheld game platform at the moment.mashoutposse said:
MBX will progess, besides it's targeted at mobile solutions. I'm guessing if ARM/ATi were given a $300-ish per unit budget to produce a handheld game platform right now, we'd get very comparable results to PSP.Izzy said:
In other words, there's no concrete curve to be ahead of.Izzy said:
Using the same logic, GBA was strikingly ahead of the curve at it's release. As was the original Game Boy.
soundwave05
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What would qualify as a "PSP killer"?
GameCube level graphics (ATi GPU)
640x480 4.5 inch LCD screen
Touchscreen built-in
SD Card support (much cheaper)
MP3/MP4 capability out of box
Dual-analog control
Analog triggers w/digital click
Flip-out design/swivel screen (ala the Sidekick)
GBA/DS backwards comp?
GCN disc compatible (mmm... RE4!)
By 2006 would that be feasible?
GameCube level graphics (ATi GPU)
640x480 4.5 inch LCD screen
Touchscreen built-in
SD Card support (much cheaper)
MP3/MP4 capability out of box
Dual-analog control
Analog triggers w/digital click
Flip-out design/swivel screen (ala the Sidekick)
GBA/DS backwards comp?
GCN disc compatible (mmm... RE4!)
By 2006 would that be feasible?
strikeselect
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Nintendo DS is so not the DC.
You people have your analogy wrong. If anything, the DS is the PS2 and the PSP is XBox. See, the market leader (Nintendo is more dominant in handhelds than Sony is in consoles) has already launched and it will have built up a sizeable lead by the time the competitor's hardware even hits the NA market. Meanwhile the market leader's previous hardware also continues to sell well and it's new hardware benefits from backward compatibility with its predecessor. The powerful new comer (who has a strong product in a related sector) then launches with a technically superior machine to challenge it.
Things *may* turn out differently in this case but if you're making any analogy to the current console generation, that should be it.
BTW, I'm NOT saying that anyone in THIS thread said that. There have been so many PSP/DS squabbles, every thread is the same to me.
Nintendo DS is so not the DC.
You people have your analogy wrong. If anything, the DS is the PS2 and the PSP is XBox. See, the market leader (Nintendo is more dominant in handhelds than Sony is in consoles) has already launched and it will have built up a sizeable lead by the time the competitor's hardware even hits the NA market. Meanwhile the market leader's previous hardware also continues to sell well and it's new hardware benefits from backward compatibility with its predecessor. The powerful new comer (who has a strong product in a related sector) then launches with a technically superior machine to challenge it.
Things *may* turn out differently in this case but if you're making any analogy to the current console generation, that should be it.
BTW, I'm NOT saying that anyone in THIS thread said that. There have been so many PSP/DS squabbles, every thread is the same to me.
soundwave05
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Yeah, these analogies just don't work :lol
To make a direct analogy with the DC/PS2 situation, the Saturn would have had to have been the no.1 32-bit/64-bit system (like the GBA SP is to Nintendo), and the PS2 would have be launching a few months after the Dreamcast with Sony as the challenger with a more powerful piece of hardware.
To make a direct analogy with the DC/PS2 situation, the Saturn would have had to have been the no.1 32-bit/64-bit system (like the GBA SP is to Nintendo), and the PS2 would have be launching a few months after the Dreamcast with Sony as the challenger with a more powerful piece of hardware.
CrimsonSkies
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For $150 the media functions alone are worth it. The game prices are a crock of crap though. I'd only buy it for games if GameFly was renting them, which they probably will.
soundwave05
Member
It's actually true, Sony could sell the PSP w/o any game functionality whatsoever and it'd still be worth $200 just as a portable video/music/photo viewer/player, and no one would really bat an eye lash at that price tag for such a product with a LCD screen like that.
ImNotLikeThem
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sorry to dig back into the "psp is revolutionary omgwtf" again, but lets play a little game called "matching".
Match one from A to an answer from B:
__A__
1. PSP
2. NDS
__B__
1. evolution: A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form.
2. revolution: Marked by or resulting in radical change
Match one from A to an answer from B:
__A__
1. PSP
2. NDS
__B__
1. evolution: A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form.
2. revolution: Marked by or resulting in radical change
mashoutposse
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ImNotLikeThem said:
You could say they are both evolutionary in that they simply build upon the existing foundation of handheld gaming.
You could also say that they are revolutionary, since both are currently one-of-a-kind products. There's nothing like a PSP or DS out there -- you can't get their respective experiences on any other handheld device.
Is anyone's enjoyment of these products really determined by the above? If it's good, it's good. Innovation gets too much play.
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ImNotLikeThem said:
1. 2. --> evolution
.Shogmaster
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Izzy said:
PSP is ahead of the current fab process if you ask me. 3 hour battery life doing Ridge Racer should tell you that. Not to mention that for Sony, PSP is a 5+ year commitment (as in selling the hardware at the current price, they will be in the red for years to come). You won't be seeing PSP 2 for five or more years even if GBA2 18 months from now ends up being much more capable than PSP.
If you call that being ahead of the curve then you go right ahead.
I call it being on the bleeding edge, and a big gamble.
Shogmaster
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kaching said:
No, they are just called Pocket PCs. :lol
But then again, those PPCs have 600Mhz CPUs and VGA screens.
I suppose we just have been spoiled all these years by the notion of 16+hr battery life by owefully underpowered GBAs, and the reality of 3D portable gaming is closer to 3 hr battery life.
But my whole point is that by not being so aggressive on the performance requirements and the screen size/color depth, Sony could easily have brought us a portable that does good 3D at reasonable (6+ hours playing 3D intensive games) battery life with the current fab process, instead great 3D at poor battery life.
And I don't know about you but I rather like having a new handheld at relatively low (less than $130) every 2 or so years, as long as there are noticeable improvements in those 2 years (GBA to GBA SP don't cut it), much more than a huge jump every 5 to 6 years. That's too boring. Good for Sony, but boring for us.
Date of Lies
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what was the point of this whole topic exactly? Why not just cut the crap and make "DS vs PSP Thread No.40325"?
And Palm OS PDAs. And cellphones. And digital cameras. And portable DVD players. And laptops...etc.Shogmaster said:
You seem to be fairly knowledgable of the entire portable device landscape, yet you never seem to acknowledge that there's always been a matrix of power vs. battery life where we've always had clusters of devices in the high power/short battery life quadrant juxtaposed against the devices clustered in the low power/long battery life quadrant, with more clustering between them around the center of the matrix.
It's not a particular vision I share, so speak for yourself. For one thing, this idea that portable should = low cost is yet another strawman constructed largely from the GB approach to portable electronics. That's fine for you but it's not the only approach and its not the one that everyone favors.