he probably didn't have his gun out when they tried tazing him.
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Police Kill Woman, Charge Man They Were Trying To Shoot With Murder
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ShadowkillXNA
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They tried other options first - they were unsuccessful. The guy reached for the gun he was reported to have.
I am no fan of the police but this womans death is entirely on the suspect and his actions.
Freakinchair
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Don't worry everyone - the gun was in his hand. Also there was crack dust all over him and a little bag of MJ.
back then shooting 9 times would have taken 3 minutes
and you'd still probably miss 4 of those shots
So why fire it where innocent people can potentially be harm? Still seems like I a brash decision.
I agree with both of these posters. What people need to realize is that THESE SITUATIONS ARE NOT THE SAME. We're way too accepting of police's use of deadly force in this country.
Eric Garner should be responsible for his own death because he should have known not complying with an officer results in a choke hold. This guy is responsible because he should know that reaching for your waistband results in being shot at by police and then being charged with the murder of whoever he hits. (and I could go on and on, and will if people need me to).
How about police are smarter about they irreversibly escalate situations?
An earlier article but there are more details:
http://m.clickorlando.com/news/man-...olice-shooting-at-downtown-nightclub/27732002
http://m.clickorlando.com/news/man-...olice-shooting-at-downtown-nightclub/27732002
According to the report he was shot before taking any kind of gun out.
even if he never touched his gun, reaching into his waistband would be enough because 'his gun is in his waistband' was part of the 9/11 call.
PrimaNocta
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Dudes in a bar waving a gun around? Yeah fuck this guy & charge his ass.
Zoe
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You're not close when you shoot from a taser.
And they landed 7 of the 9 shots. That's actually better than many of these cases.
Because it's not a hollywood movie.Cømet;128341604 said:
You aim for the easiest target, which is the torso. The part that is easiest to hit and moves around the least.
Nobody aims for the head except maybe a sniper who has a perch and a good shot.
Freaky Fred
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seems fair to me
keep trying to push that anti-cop narrative though, these threads are always a fun read
What report says that?
ShadowkillXNA
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Suspects, particularly in the us usually do stand perfectly still while the police open fire on them after being tased and while resisting arrest.
Usually.
Yeah I get that. But I don't get why you'd even take the chance to taze someone like that than.
Stop with this noise. No one is pushing an anticop agenda by calling into question how police work is actually done.
OrangeYouGlad
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Because he wasn't a direct threat at that time.
I know people will dismiss this, but the elapsed time is something to consider as the main factor for why the situation escalated the way it did. If the guy reached for his gun right after they tried to taze him, then what else could they do? I agree, if it was a significant amount of time for this kind of situation (1-2 minutes) then, yeah, quickly go for another non-lethal attempt. Otherwise, there isn't a stop clock to let you know how much time you have to consider options.
It was tucked when the police confronted him. Multiple 911 calls describe him with the gun out, which is what prompted those calls.
Shit like this is why I lean strongly towards abolishing prisons. Jesus fucking Christ this is disgusting.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Something about your life probably makes you think police will never affect your life or the lives of people you know adversely, which is great. Many of the rest of us aren't so lucky
They put the lives of others at risk opening fire in that scenario.
Ol No Bones
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The dude defied the cops and reached for a gun. I really have no problem with this. Mr. Roach got that woman killed because he did not comply with the officer and reached for a gun. The officer did nothing wrong and Mr. Roach should be held accountable.
Velcro Fly
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I think having the chance to take 10 years and getting life is a raw deal. But knowingly giving your car to people who are going to go commit a felony? Uh what were you really expecting to happen?
SlackAdjuster
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This has nothing to do with a minority so I'm not sure why you even brought it up.
Missed these before...
No those are not the only charges he is facing. Why would you think they were?
He was charged because they discussed with him what they were going to use his car for.
No those are not the only charges he is facing. Why would you think they were?
He was charged because they discussed with him what they were going to use his car for.
Nemesis121
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He going to jail for a long time, unless some law firm wants help him for free, he will get stuck with a public defender who won't even try, cops needs to put someone behind bars for this...
Hero_of_the_Day
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They didn't believe he was reaching for a gun at that point.
Cømet;128341604 said:
I'm with you on the gun laws part. But, rubber bullets don't always work. If you are in a life and death situation, you don't want to rely on rubber fucking bullets.
Shooting someone in the knee is ridiculous (you don't aim for the head either). You aim for their center to increase your chances of actually hitting your target. Landing your shots with a pistol is a billion times harder than what you see in the movies.
You know how Jules thinks it's a miracle he doesn't get blown away at point blank range in Pulp Fiction? Him not getting blown away is actually more realistic than other movies.
There is always a chance for someone to get hit in a shootout. Bullets pass through walls no problem.
Hypothetically, if the choice is you either shoot and possibly hit a bystander versus not shooting and the criminal definitely hurting someone, then the choice is clear.
This is.... absolute insanity. I don't have the words...
SlackAdjuster
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If there's a guy in a bar with a firearm who's already been thrown out once specifically for having that weapon, and attempts to come back in, I'd say peoples lives were already at risk. It's unfortunate, but these things happen.
They told him what they were going to do, and they couldn't have done it unless he gave them his car.
Chie Satonaka
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I won't dismiss it. It's a good point and one I didn't consider.
If there was nothing else that the officers could do, there was nothing else they could do. However, my point still stands that police work in this country is really, really flawed. To be honest, I'm surprised they tried to taze him to begin with. Officers of the law need to be held to a higher standard, but I guess I don't have enough information here to say that's the case in this particular instance.
This story just sucks all the way around. I'm really conflicted on how to feel with this one.
ShadowkillXNA
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Nope. The suspect put the lives of others in danger by getting police called for brandishing a weapon drunkenly and then reaching for it after being asked to comply and being tased.
He created this situation with his actions. No one else.
According to the article, he claimed to have been drunk and thought they were joking. Not much information there though. Considering how quick the trial was, I would hope they had more concrete evidence.
It's hard to judge without some video evidence. How far away was the subject? Seems like even if the police officer was justified, dude should be far away from active duty. Police officers should need to meet minimum accuracy to be active duty same as continuing education for Doctors, Dentists, and Pharmacists.
Freaky Fred
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the sarcastic #notallcops is doing just that
IrishNinja
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sure wish we had more gifs of bugs bunny destroying a large & populous up in here, really brings some nuanced points to the table
well, mostly because of this article
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/orlando-police-drops-murder-charge-in-bar-shooting/27835916
which states that "Kody Roach now faces a second-degree murder charge for the death of Maria Godinez and resisting arrest with violence." and that the first-degree and robbery charges were removed. i interpreted that to mean that currently those were the charges against him. [obviously more can follow]
9 total shots, 7 hit the suspect. With a handgun in a stressful situation that's not too bad really.
The Faceless Master
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i would believe that if i saw the video from their body cameras.
John Dunbar
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that's fucking bullshit anyway, especially since he was drunk as fuck when he loaned them the car. that's a case for henry fonda and some jury nullification if there ever was one.
this is someone who should have watched the 'dont talk to the police' youtube lecture.
The Faceless Master
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no, it's murder because the perp made the cops kill the innocent bystander.
Freaky Fred
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not if that person was killed as the result of someone's criminal actions.
just like if the cops were in a high speed chase and they struck and killed someone while pursuing you, you would be responsible for that person's death.
I'm going to post some articles about the woman who got killed just because I felt this thread is so concerned about the police and the man, that the 22 year old woman killed got no sympathy.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...tillo-vixen-shooting-20140820,0,6933988.story
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...led-orlando-police-shootout-article-1.1910243
The woman was killed INSIDE the bar, where they were held inside for protection.
I can't describe how bad I feel for her family if I were to hear my daughter went to the city to party and killed by a bullet flying from outside.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...tillo-vixen-shooting-20140820,0,6933988.story
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...led-orlando-police-shootout-article-1.1910243
The woman was killed INSIDE the bar, where they were held inside for protection.
I can't describe how bad I feel for her family if I were to hear my daughter went to the city to party and killed by a bullet flying from outside.
It doesn't even imply those are the only charges.
In total, he is charged with second degree felony murder, carrying a concealed firearm, armed trespassing in an occupied structure and resisting arrest without violence.
Delta Assault
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Roach had an unloaded handgun when he was fired upon.
I don't think the cops did anything wrong.
I don't think the cops did anything wrong.
It's not. A few are just on an anti-cop slant lately and thought this applied.
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