Do you really think the guy would have just stopped, said sorry and turned himself in?
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Police shoot and kill unarmed man in New York
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Do you really think the guy would have just stopped, said sorry and turned himself in?
I think it's incredibly more likely that the guy would have eventually turned and ran if he had been successful in preventing the cops from arresting him. In that situation, a person's most likely train of thought is to fight enough to get away, not "MUST KILLS COPS AT ALL COSTS!"
Unless there are a shit-ton of stories involving assailants beating cops to death with their own radios or taking a cop's own gun and shooting them with it that I'm just missing here...
If there was actually a struggle and the man is violent & beating on an officer I don't really see why it's a bad thing that the officer defended himself. It's possible they tried using a taser and missed, but when there is a serious threat I don't see what's wrong with using a gun. That's what they're supposed to do, right?
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If there was actually a struggle and the man is violent & beating on an officer I don't really see why it's a bad thing that the officer defended himself. It's possible they tried using a taser and missed, but when there is a serious threat I don't see what's wrong with using a gun. That's what they're supposed to do, right?
In most developed western countries no. America seems to be a very special snowflake in this regard.
If there was actually a struggle and the man is violent & beating on an officer I don't really see why it's a bad thing that the officer defended himself. It's possible they tried using a taser and missed, but when there is a serious threat I don't see what's wrong with using a gun. That's what they're supposed to do, right?
The problem is that the American police force should have more tools at their disposal to apprehend people -- even violent people -- other than their guns. But more and more frequently cops are showing complete and total incompetency in employing any other tactics other than kill shots, especially when it comes to black people.
If a man is jumping on you and beating your head with a radio, I believe you are free to assume lethal intent.Neither of the cops sustained potentially lethal injuries, according to the doctors who examined them. So how can you be so quick to gauge that his intent was to kill them?
If a man is jumping on you and beating your head with a radio, I believe you are free to assume lethal intent.
So, as was pointed out by someone earlier in thread, should we arm our nation's bouncers and teachers with firearms?
I mean, they're facing the threat of violence and death every day on the job, too. Rather than wasting their time training them on methods to deescalate, we should just allow them to pull out guns and nip that shit in the bud.
So, as was pointed out by someone earlier in thread, should we arm our nation's bouncers and teachers with firearms?
I mean, they're facing the threat of violence and death every day on the job, too. Rather than wasting their time training them on methods to deescalate, we should just allow them to pull out guns and nip that shit in the bud.
Whatever you do, don't ask this question seriously to the NRA.
Extra Sauce
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I always wonder why there are so many people dieing after beeing shot by police.
Isn't police trained to fire nonlethal shots? Like shooting at the legs or something.
That is a movie thing.
That's just silly. We're talking about people's whose job involves dealing with criminals. I don't think you understand that you are speaking from a point of privilege when you not pick how somebody defends their life. Do you not understand that training isn't something that just magically makes you able to pick the most perfect outcome ever in a split second with your well being, or even your life, on the line. Trying to drum up this situation as police brutality just hurts the case for real police brutality.So, as was pointed out by someone earlier in thread, should we arm our nation's bouncers and teachers with firearms?
I mean, they're facing the threat of violence and death every day on the job, too. Rather than wasting their time training them on methods to deescalate, we should just allow them to pull out guns and nip that shit in the bud.
That's just silly. We're talking about people's whose job involves dealing with criminals. I don't think you understand that you are speaking from a point of privilege when you not pick how somebody defends their life. Do you not understand that training isn't something that just magically makes you able to pick the most perfect outcome ever in a split second with your well being, or even your life, on the line. Trying to drum up this situation as police brutality just hurts the case for real police brutality.
It's not speaking from a point of priviledge to acknowledge that American cops aren't the only people who wake up every day and go to a job where they can be attacked and violently injured, but they're the only people we've empowered with the ability to use guns as a first line of defense, and that there are frequent complications and great injustices that arise because of this.
Kid Kamikaze10
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I don't like the idea of a mentally ill person's life being forfeit, even if they are a threat. Police have too much at their disposal for that level of apathy.
Guns more often then not, don't de-escalate.
Guns more often then not, don't de-escalate.
So wer're going to get a story everytime a Police shoots someone arent we?
Hopefully. Now. Today. Police have been shooting people for years, but only now are they getting the major publicity and public scrutiny.
It's either this or we go back to ignoring this and letting it all disappear in the paperwork.
But him being successful in preventing the cops from arresting him would mean dead or beaten unconscious cops. Cops are supposed to let themselves be knocked out or killed instead of defending themselves?I think it's incredibly more likely that the guy would have eventually turned and ran if he had been successful in preventing the cops from arresting him. In that situation, a person's most likely train of thought is to fight enough to get away, not "MUST KILLS COPS AT ALL COSTS!"
Unless there are a shit-ton of stories involving assailants beating cops to death with their own radios or taking a cop's own gun and shooting them with it that I'm just missing here...
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But him being successful in preventing the cops from arresting him would mean dead or beaten unconscious cops. Cops are supposed to let themselves be knocked out or killed instead of defending themselves?
False dichotomy. Those are not the only choices available to them. Don't pretend that they are.
You can keep trying to argue that cops and teachers face the same trials and tribulations, but that doesn't make it true.It's not speaking from a point of priviledge to acknowledge that American cops aren't the only people who wake up every day and go to a job where they can be attacked and violently injured, but they're the only people we've empowered with the ability to use guns as a first line of defense, and that there are frequent complications and great injustices that arise because of this.
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