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This was the plan on the Tea Party and it worked well.
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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags
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This was the plan on the Tea Party and it worked well.
Freshmaker
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I don't get why the Republicans would pick up seats when it's 100% their own antics that have fucked things up so thoroughly at this point.PhoenixDark said:
PhoenixDark
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speculawyer said:
True, but the only constant is the economy will be shitty. And that's typically what determines elections. Sure we could have a terrorist attack, or Obama could be caught with a white woman or something. Or Perry wins the nomination and is outed as a gay man afterall. But I don't think it's ridiculous to say Obama's chances aren't looking good at all right now.
Hardly.Freshmaker said:
The dems hold the white house and the senate, they really can't escape blame.
You can say that their sin is more one of incompetence, and to a degree (but only to a degree) I'll agree.
But that does not mean that they don't share the blame.
But anyway, the electorate tend to blame (or give credit) the president in this country.
Freshmaker
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Chichikov said:
Derp should not be rewarded. That's all the GOP's offering.
speculawyer
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Well, he can attempt to pin the economy on the GOP. They are the ones that prevented the Bush tax rates from expiring. They are the ones that held the debt ceiling hostage. They are the ones that seriously slashed government spending thus depriving the economy of money which pretty much every economist said would make things worse.PhoenixDark said:
Not an easy sell but do able.
And even if the economy sucks there will be good & bad in it. The price of oil and the unemployment rate tend to move in the opposite direction of each other. Unless we hit an oil crunch and we are really fucked. And that is another reason why Obama should open up ANWR to reduce his exposure on that issue. We are going to drill there eventually so why not just get it over with.
And being shitty at politics and failing to capitalize on the greatest majority in a generation shouldn't?Freshmaker said:
But anyway, this is not about who is worse in my mind, rest assured, there's no risk of me voting Republican on 2012, but that does not mean that the Democrats do not share the blame.
And on a practical level, if you keep demanding so little from your elected officials and you'll keep getting that level of results.
Aaron Strife
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Senate I've give better odds to GOP than Democrats but I can envision a scenario where we only lose North Dakota and Nebraska but pick up a number of seats elsewhere.
Tester (Montana) has a huge personal appeal which will probably save him (his approval ratings are high 50s), and McCaskill (Missourah) is a genuine toss-up but PPP has consistently shown her with a small edge. Beyond that is Virginia which I think we'll keep given Kaine's popularity/fundraising and Obama's focus on the state, which by all counts it looks like he'll win.
Berkeley's running in Nevada about as well as any Democrat in that state would, Massachusetts is gettable (how depressing) if Elizabeth Warren runs. Dems still need a strong contender in Maine and Arizona (Giffords pending), and could make races with them in Indiana and Texas - but I'm not putting much faith in those two.
I actually do think Obama could get re-elected in 2012, with a small Democratic majority in the House and 55-45 in the Senate. If nothing else, addition by subtraction - any Senate composition that doesn't include Joe Lieberman or Ben Nelson is bound to be an improvement.
Tester (Montana) has a huge personal appeal which will probably save him (his approval ratings are high 50s), and McCaskill (Missourah) is a genuine toss-up but PPP has consistently shown her with a small edge. Beyond that is Virginia which I think we'll keep given Kaine's popularity/fundraising and Obama's focus on the state, which by all counts it looks like he'll win.
Berkeley's running in Nevada about as well as any Democrat in that state would, Massachusetts is gettable (how depressing) if Elizabeth Warren runs. Dems still need a strong contender in Maine and Arizona (Giffords pending), and could make races with them in Indiana and Texas - but I'm not putting much faith in those two.
I actually do think Obama could get re-elected in 2012, with a small Democratic majority in the House and 55-45 in the Senate. If nothing else, addition by subtraction - any Senate composition that doesn't include Joe Lieberman or Ben Nelson is bound to be an improvement.
TacticalFox88
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Even if we demanded more they'd still be, at the end of the day, whores for corporations and lobbyists.lChichikov said:
You're wrong.TacticalFox88 said:
They're corporate whores (mostly) because they need their money to get elected.
But you know what they need more than money?
Votes.
Politicians will always run away from positions that has become detrimental to their reelection prospects.
See Democrats and the Iraq war or Republicans and TARP.
speculawyer
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Well of course. That is where all the money is. You simply can't get into a major office without being a whore for some corporations or others. That is a problem with our system that the Supreme court has enshrined. The only way around these days is a personally wealthy candidate that self-funds their campaign . . . Perot, Bloomberg, etc.TacticalFox88 said:
You only have a choice between which type of corporate whore. I'll take the silicon valley corporate whore over the oil&gas industry whore.
Byakuya769
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Depends on the nature of our demands. Demands here and between our friends will never yield results.TacticalFox88 said:
Interesting opinion piece on CNN that I don't disagree with whatsoever. http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/06/stepp.millennials.open/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Dude Abides
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Dartastic said:
It's not very good, though. Of course staffers are more congenial and chummy in private than their bosses are in public. Anecdotes about facebook and a slightly different poll result for millenials than boomers on the issue of abortion access don't really establish that we should put the kids in charge.
jamesinclair
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SoulPlaya said:
Except the jobs record is as solid as Obamas ability to resist compromise.
It's a lie, it's a joke.
And the Perry Record Drought of 2011-2012 will kill the Texas economy.
Texas is going to be begging for federal aid.
Arrowgigantic
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I find those who think a politician who proposes secession has some legitimate shot at running the country he/she wants to secede from to be very imaginative people. It is such an easy thing to bury someone with.
They are. The only difference is the one is made by old men in elected office, the other is made by a younger generation that have no chance to be in such a situation. In the end though, the goal of the discussion is the same. What would you say to a young political intern who says that "A public option would help to reduce health costs"? Would it be the same thing you'd say to an elected official who said exactly the same thing? Tone of debate means nothing. What matters is that Gen-Y are more open to understanding the other side and giving legitimacy to it without weakening their own side. This is on both sides. This is how compromise happens, and more than anything, we need honest, positive compromise; not cynical political hostage-taking.aswedc said:
I'm surprised there's no thread on this: Seal Team Six killed in Afghanistan?
Edit: Well sorta. Article says none killed were part of the group that killed Bin Laden, but instead part of the same unit.
Edit: Well sorta. Article says none killed were part of the group that killed Bin Laden, but instead part of the same unit.
Mortrialus
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The thing is with Perry is that he has the 2nd best shot at winning against Obama after Romney. The guy is pretty charismatic, and 2010 elections clearly demonstrate that voters are more than happy enough to forget the Bush years.. The poor economy is going to drastically hurt Obama's voter support. As bullshit as the "Texas Miracle" is, the GOP is going to push it like it's Payload in Team Fortress 2. Hell you can already see Fox News pushing it like there is no tomorrow.
As much as I absolutely fucking hate the man, Perry has a legitimate chance and those blowing him off are drastically underestimating him.
Speaking of Rick Perry. I love AronRa.
As much as I absolutely fucking hate the man, Perry has a legitimate chance and those blowing him off are drastically underestimating him.
Speaking of Rick Perry. I love AronRa.
speculawyer
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C'mon. It is a tough sell. Do you really think the country is ready for yet another right-wing evangelical Republican Governor from Texas? Really? I know we have a short attention span but I don't think people have that short of an attention span. Perry will have a lock on 35% of the vote. But it will be tough sell after the true-believers.Mortrialus said:
And whole 'Texas miracle' thing can unravel fast. Their unemployment rate is only a little below average and they've been creating lots of low-wage no-health-insurance jobs. And much of the expansion is based on high oil prices and shale natural gas . . . not something you can reproduce elsewhere.
It is like the Texas school miracle where it turned out that they were just dropping the failing students out of the records. (Then again, Bush did use that . . . but I don't think it got debunked until later.)
jamesinclair
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TheStevo said:
When he became governor, the state looked like this
11 years later, he has governed the state into looking like this
This is what the lax regulation of a republican governship does.
Free gas fracking for all + unregulated housing development
= Wheres the water at?
empty vessel
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TheStevo said:
He's a cretinous monster with more hubris and less intelligence than GW Bush.
Look what freedom you get without all those socialist trees!jamesinclair said:When he became governor, the state looked like this
11 years later, he has governed the state into looking like this
This is what the lax regulation of a republican governship does.
Free gas fracking for all + unregulated housing development
= Wheres the water at?
Mortrialus
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TheStevo said:
My big issue of Gov. Perry is the fact that the man is the embodiment of everything I feel is wrong with this world. In 1992, a man named Cameron Todd Willingham was convicted of arson and killing his two daughters. He was sentenced to death. In 2004 Cameron Todd Willingham and his attorney sent his case to scientific prodigy and world renowned expert on fire science, Dr. Gerald Hurst to review the evidence of his case. Dr. Hurst upon reviewing the evidence came to the conclusion that the original investigation team was operating on poor understanding of the differing patterns of arson and natural fire. There have been huge advances in our understanding of how fire works through homes in the years after the man's trial. The conclusions the original investigators drew from the evidence was based on faulty assumptions and ignorant guesses.
Gov. Perry was given the scientific evidence stating how not only is Todd Willingham most likely innocent, there was nothing to suggest the fire was arson. Rick Perry had two options, either post-pone his imminent execution and allow the Texas Board of Appeals and Pardons to review his case, or allow his execution to proceed as normal. Perry chose the latter, dismissing Dr. Hurst's findings as "Bunk science." Willingham was executed by lethal injection on February 17, 2004.
However, the case doesn't just end there. The case has been receiving an increasing amount of attention after the man was killed. The Texas Forensic Science Commission was scheduled to review the evidence meeting on October 2, 2009. However, Rick Perry eplaced the chair of the commission and two other members. Rick Perry intentionally went out of his way to stall the investigation days before they were about to acquit Todd Willingham.
Since Dr. Hurst had originally reviewed the evidence, many of the nation's top fire investigators have reviewed the case and all of them have agreed with Dr. Hurst's original conclusion.
Rick Perry is everything I feel is wrong with the world. His contempt for science is palpable. He is one of the most willfully ignorant people I have ever seen elected to office in America. He is the moral equivalent of parents who refuse to give their children medical treatment, instead choosing to pray the sickness away and kill their kids as a result. The man is a complete monster.
And I haven't even touched upon the Texas State Board of Education debacle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
PSB Documentary of the case:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/death-by-fire/
speculawyer
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C'mon, that is a ridiculous argument. Despite Rick Perry's superstitions, a governor does not have anything to do with rainfall. Nor does housing development or fracking.jamesinclair said:
Mortrialus presents a MUCH better case.
Sirpopopop
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Gonaria said:
You could do it your way. His suggestion was just one of several possibilities.
empty vessel
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Mortrialus said:
Cosigned.
empty vessel
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speculawyer said:
Yeah, we don't need Perry to give free rein to business. Texas has a whole Congress for that!
Mortrialus
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speculawyer said:
Texas is the single biggest polluter in the United States and while I don't think those to photos are a before and after of the same specific area, I can guarantee you that much of the state has undergone that transformation because of Perry giving private industries free reign to do what they please.
jamesinclair
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speculawyer said:
Of course he didnt cause the drought.
But hes mismanaged the states water supplies so that theyre screwed.
Where are the reservoirs?
Why has he allowed millions of homes to be built wherever they want to, and let them tap into the aquifer...and dont nothing to refill the aquifer?
(Must be the whole republican "God surely put enough water for everyone!" logic)
Why is he allowing fracking, which uses enormous amounts of water?
Where are the desalination plants?
Mortrialus said:
Disclaimer, those photos arent of the same place or intended to be, just illustrative.
Fracking in Texas uses billions of gallons of water per year. Throw in a record drought and it can make a bad situation a whole lot worse. Without regulation the fracking industry has been using freshwater aquifers because "brackish" water is less effective.speculawyer said:
Also around 75% of water used in fracking is unrecoverable. Ten billion gallons were lost in 2010.
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2011/jun/30/fracking-gives-texas-another-oil-boom-huge-water-c/
They may currently impute Bush and the GOP, but that will change next November. For better or worse, the president is held responsible for the state of the economy. It is an invariable aspect of presidential elections.Measley said:
I concur; I have been stating as much for a while. Now, after thoroughly examining his record, he will prove more polarizing than Romney. Still, unlike Bachmann and others, I do not think it is substantial enough to significantly diminish his prospects.Mortrialus said:
speculawyer
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But all of that has little to do with the photos you put up.jamesinclair said:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-nei...ratic-rep-what-about-the-51-who-pay-no-taxes/
So Cavuto's asking for these people to pay MORE taxes?
So Cavuto's asking for these people to pay MORE taxes?
my god jamesinclair. You are spectacularly unhinged.
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Mortrialus said:
He should be arrested for conspiracy to kill an innocent man.
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ToxicAdam said:
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RustyNails
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Spread this PBS piece around. What a fuckhead. To think that this idiot is basking in all the attention he's getting for a presidential run is even more sickening.Mortrialus said:
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