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harSon said:Man, why do stereotypes always have to be true? We elect a black president and the country's credit score goes down the shitter...
This was the plan on the Tea Party and it worked well.
harSon said:Man, why do stereotypes always have to be true? We elect a black president and the country's credit score goes down the shitter...
I don't get why the Republicans would pick up seats when it's 100% their own antics that have fucked things up so thoroughly at this point.PhoenixDark said:Losing the senate is a possibility, and losing the WH seems a given. While dems won't lose a billion seats like in 2010, losing all control over government will be an even bigger loss than the midterms.
There is literally nothing that can be done to improve the economy between now and next October, due to the House. Seems like we'll get another case of things picking up during the holidays/early year then drying up in the summer, high gas prices, poor jobs reports, etc.
speculawyer said:You really need to stop with these ridiculous pronouncements. A ton of unknown unpredicted things will happen between now & then. Sex scandals, unknown economic shifts, scientific advances, wars, etc. No one knows what things will be like then.
Hardly.Freshmaker said:I don't get why the Republicans would pick up seats when it's 100% their own antics that have fucked things up so thoroughly at this point.
Chichikov said:Hardly.
The dems hold the white house and the senate, they really can't escape blame.
Losing the senate is a possibility, and losing the WH seems a given.
Well, he can attempt to pin the economy on the GOP. They are the ones that prevented the Bush tax rates from expiring. They are the ones that held the debt ceiling hostage. They are the ones that seriously slashed government spending thus depriving the economy of money which pretty much every economist said would make things worse.PhoenixDark said:True, but the only constant is the economy will be shitty. And that's typically what determines elections. Sure we could have a terrorist attack, or Obama could be caught with a white woman or something. Or Perry wins the nomination and is outed as a gay man afterall. But I don't think it's ridiculous to say Obama's chances aren't looking good at all right now.
And being shitty at politics and failing to capitalize on the greatest majority in a generation shouldn't?Freshmaker said:Derp should not be rewarded. That's all the GOP's offering.
Even if we demanded more they'd still be, at the end of the day, whores for corporations and lobbyists.lChichikov said:And being shitty at politics and failing to capitalize on the greatest majority in a generation shouldn't?
But anyway, this is not about who is worse in my mind, rest assured, there's no risk of me voting Republican on 2012, but that does not mean that the Democrats do not share the blame.
And on a practical level, if you keep demanding so little from your elected officials and you'll keep getting that level of results.
You're wrong.TacticalFox88 said:Even if we demanded more they'd still be, at the end of the day, whores for corporations and lobbyists.l
Well of course. That is where all the money is. You simply can't get into a major office without being a whore for some corporations or others. That is a problem with our system that the Supreme court has enshrined. The only way around these days is a personally wealthy candidate that self-funds their campaign . . . Perot, Bloomberg, etc.TacticalFox88 said:Even if we demanded more they'd still be, at the end of the day, whores for corporations and lobbyists.l
Depends on the nature of our demands. Demands here and between our friends will never yield results.TacticalFox88 said:Even if we demanded more they'd still be, at the end of the day, whores for corporations and lobbyists.l
Ham sandwich/yogurt moon 2012Dude Abides said:The way things are going Obama could lose to a ham sandwich.
I find your continued assault on Jewish people disturbing.eznark said:Ham sandwich/yogurt moon 2012
Dartastic said:Interesting opinion piece on CNN that I don't disagree with whatsoever. http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/06/stepp.millennials.open/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
SoulPlaya said:Of course, he's the incumbent, and the only guy who has a chance against him imo is Perry because of his jobs record in Texas.
Agreed. Not to mention the terrible logic.Dude Abides said:It's not very good, though. Of course staffers are more congenial and chummy in private than their bosses are in public. Anecdotes about facebook and a slightly different poll result for millenials than boomers on the issue of abortion access don't really establish that we should put the kids in charge.
They are. The only difference is the one is made by old men in elected office, the other is made by a younger generation that have no chance to be in such a situation. In the end though, the goal of the discussion is the same. What would you say to a young political intern who says that "A public option would help to reduce health costs"? Would it be the same thing you'd say to an elected official who said exactly the same thing? Tone of debate means nothing. What matters is that Gen-Y are more open to understanding the other side and giving legitimacy to it without weakening their own side. This is on both sides. This is how compromise happens, and more than anything, we need honest, positive compromise; not cynical political hostage-taking.aswedc said:Agreed. Not to mention the terrible logic.
The tone of a meaningless debate on Facebook that will be forgotten within hours. The tone of debate resulting in policy affecting 300 million people. Yes, these things are completely comparable.
No. One is a potentially meaningful conversation, one is not. I don't understand your argument.doomed1 said:They are. The only difference is the one is made by old men in elected office, the other is made by a younger generation that have no chance to be in such a situation. In the end though, the goal of the discussion is the same. What would you say to a young political intern who says that "A public option would help to reduce health costs"? Would it be the same thing you'd say to an elected official who said exactly the same thing?
I don't see any evidence of this, not in that collection of anecdotes in that article, not here on GAF, and not in real life.doomed1 said:What matters is that Gen-Y are more open to understanding the other side and giving legitimacy to it without weakening their own side. This is on both sides. This is how compromise happens, and more than anything, we need honest, positive compromise; not cynical political hostage-taking.
Matthew Gallant said:I find those who think a politician who proposes secession has some legitimate shot at running the country he/she wants to secede from to be very imaginative people. It is such an easy thing to bury someone with.
Mortrialus said:As much as I absolutely fucking hate the man, Perry has a legitimate chance and those blowing him off are drastically underestimating him.
C'mon. It is a tough sell. Do you really think the country is ready for yet another right-wing evangelical Republican Governor from Texas? Really? I know we have a short attention span but I don't think people have that short of an attention span. Perry will have a lock on 35% of the vote. But it will be tough sell after the true-believers.Mortrialus said:The thing is with Perry is that he has the 2nd best shot at winning against Obama after Romney. The guy is pretty charismatic, and 2010 elections clearly demonstrate that voters are more than happy enough to forget the Bush years.. The poor economy is going to drastically hurt Obama's voter support. As bullshit as the "Texas Miracle" is, the GOP is going to push it like it's Payload in Team Fortress 2. Hell you can already see Fox News pushing it like there is no tomorrow.
As much as I absolutely fucking hate the man, Perry has a legitimate chance and those blowing him off are drastically underestimating him.
TheStevo said:I'll be honest here, I never go to Texas nor do I know of anything going on in Texas... but can someone (who's well adversed in Texan affairs) give out their opinions on Gov. Perry?
TheStevo said:I'll be honest here, I never go to Texas nor do I know of anything going on in Texas... but can someone (who's well adversed in Texan affairs) give out their opinions on Gov. Perry?
Look what freedom you get without all those socialist trees!jamesinclair said:When he became governor, the state looked like this
11 years later, he has governed the state into looking like this
This is what the lax regulation of a republican governship does.
Free gas fracking for all + unregulated housing development
= Wheres the water at?
TheStevo said:I'll be honest here, I never go to Texas nor do I know of anything going on in Texas... but can someone (who's well adversed in Texan affairs) give out their opinions on Gov. Perry?
C'mon, that is a ridiculous argument. Despite Rick Perry's superstitions, a governor does not have anything to do with rainfall. Nor does housing development or fracking.jamesinclair said:When he became governor, the state looked like this
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publica...0_0120/images/lrg_willow_water_oak_forest.jpg
11 years later, he has governed the state into looking like this
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1...ryNEWS07ArtNo108050355RefARMaxW640Border0.jpg
This is what the lax regulation of a republican governship does.
Free gas fracking for all + unregulated housing development
= Wheres the water at?
Gonaria said:why do we even need a committee doing that? The 'non-partisan' committee certainly be less partisan than elected officials, but they will still be partisan. I honestly don't see why we can't make up some mathematical formula and use that as our redistricting method.
As for our current system, it is just so totally fucked up. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to give redistricting power to the people who benefit it from it? Talk about a conflict of interest
Mortrialus said:Rick Perry is everything I feel is wrong with the world. His contempt for science is palpable. He is one of the most willfully ignorant people I have ever seen elected to office in America. He is the moral equivalent of parents who refuse to give their children medical treatment, instead choosing to pray the sickness away and kill their kids as a result. The man is a complete monster.
speculawyer said:C'mon, that is a ridiculous argument. Despite Rick Perry's superstitions, a governor does not have anything to do with rainfall. Nor does housing development or fracking.
speculawyer said:C'mon, that is a ridiculous argument. Despite Rick Perry's superstitions, a governor does not have anything to do with rainfall. Nor does housing development or fracking.
Mortrialus presents a MUCH better case.
speculawyer said:C'mon, that is a ridiculous argument. Despite Rick Perry's superstitions, a governor does not have anything to do with rainfall. Nor does housing development or fracking.
Mortrialus presents a MUCH better case.
Mortrialus said:Texas is the single biggest polluter in the United States and while I don't think those to photos are a before and after of the same specific area, I can guarantee you that much of the state has undergone that transformation because of Perry giving private industries free reign to do what they please.
Fracking in Texas uses billions of gallons of water per year. Throw in a record drought and it can make a bad situation a whole lot worse. Without regulation the fracking industry has been using freshwater aquifers because "brackish" water is less effective.speculawyer said:C'mon, that is a ridiculous argument. Despite Rick Perry's superstitions, a governor does not have anything to do with rainfall. Nor does housing development or fracking.
Mortrialus presents a MUCH better case.
They may currently impute Bush and the GOP, but that will change next November. For better or worse, the president is held responsible for the state of the economy. It is an invariable aspect of presidential elections.Measley said:Obama isn't losing the 2012 election. Most people blame the economy on the GOP and Bush. Also the debt crisis didn't do the GOP any favors. The majority of people blame them for that as well.
I concur; I have been stating as much for a while. Now, after thoroughly examining his record, he will prove more polarizing than Romney. Still, unlike Bachmann and others, I do not think it is substantial enough to significantly diminish his prospects.Mortrialus said:The thing is with Perry is that he has the 2nd best shot at winning against Obama after Romney. The guy is pretty charismatic, and 2010 elections clearly demonstrate that voters are more than happy enough to forget the Bush years.. The poor economy is going to drastically hurt Obama's voter support. As bullshit as the "Texas Miracle" is, the GOP is going to push it like it's Payload in Team Fortress 2. Hell you can already see Fox News pushing it like there is no tomorrow.
As much as I absolutely fucking hate the man, Perry has a legitimate chance and those blowing him off are drastically underestimating him.
Speaking of Rick Perry. I love AronRa.
But all of that has little to do with the photos you put up.jamesinclair said:Of course he didnt cause the drought.
But hes mismanaged the states water supplies so that theyre screwed.
Where are the reservoirs?
Why has he allowed millions of homes to be built wherever they want to, and let them tap into the aquifer...and dont nothing to refill the aquifer?
(Must be the whole republican "God surely put enough water for everyone!" logic)
Why is he allowing fracking, which uses enormous amounts of water?
Mortrialus said:My big issue of Gov. Perry is the fact that the man is the embodiment of everything I feel is wrong with this world. In 1992, a man named Cameron Todd Willingham was convicted of arson and killing his two daughters. He was sentenced to death. In 2004 Cameron Todd Willingham and his attorney sent his case to scientific prodigy and world renowned expert on fire science, Dr. Gerald Hurst to review the evidence of his case. Dr. Hurst upon reviewing the evidence came to the conclusion that the original investigation team was operating on poor understanding of the differing patterns of arson and natural fire. There have been huge advances in our understanding of how fire works through homes in the years after the man's trial. The conclusions the original investigators drew from the evidence was based on faulty assumptions and ignorant guesses.
Gov. Perry was given the scientific evidence stating how not only is Todd Willingham most likely innocent, there was nothing to suggest the fire was arson. Rick Perry had two options, either post-pone his imminent execution and allow the Texas Board of Appeals and Pardons to review his case, or allow his execution to proceed as normal. Perry chose the latter, dismissing Dr. Hurst's findings as "Bunk science." Willingham was executed by lethal injection on February 17, 2004.
However, the case doesn't just end there. The case has been receiving an increasing amount of attention after the man was killed. The Texas Forensic Science Commission was scheduled to review the evidence meeting on October 2, 2009. However, Rick Perry eplaced the chair of the commission and two other members. Rick Perry intentionally went out of his way to stall the investigation days before they were about to acquit Todd Willingham.
Since Dr. Hurst had originally reviewed the evidence, many of the nation's top fire investigators have reviewed the case and all of them have agreed with Dr. Hurst's original conclusion.
Rick Perry is everything I feel is wrong with the world. His contempt for science is palpable. He is one of the most willfully ignorant people I have ever seen elected to office in America. He is the moral equivalent of parents who refuse to give their children medical treatment, instead choosing to pray the sickness away and kill their kids as a result. The man is a complete monster.
And I haven't even touched upon the Texas State Board of Education debacle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
PSB Documentary of the case:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/death-by-fire/
ToxicAdam said:
One of those posts to bookmark and use as reference material. What's really incredible is how the GOP is in any way considered the party with fiscal discipline.Oblivion said:
Oblivion said:
Spread this PBS piece around. What a fuckhead. To think that this idiot is basking in all the attention he's getting for a presidential run is even more sickening.Mortrialus said: