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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags

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Jackson50 said:
They may currently impute Bush and the GOP, but that will change next November. For better or worse, the president is held responsible for the state of the economy. It is an invariable aspect of presidential elections.
This is different.
Obama is different.

No other president, against his odds, has managed to maintain the approval rating he has kept. Any other incumbent president running with his approval rating would win. Obama remains popular even in the worst of times.


I wouldn't just call it a day because history has shown the economy is blamed on the president. Because history shows a lot of patterns, but there's always exceptions to those patterns.

Like Clinton. A roaring economy at its peak. Everyone should have instantly thought Clinton did it and bring Gore in with a landslide. But they didn't. They didn't vote based on the strength of the economy.
 

Vestal

Junior Member
balladofwindfishes said:
This is different.
Obama is different.

No other president, against his odds, has managed to maintain the approval rating he has kept. Any other incumbent president running with his approval rating would win. Obama remains popular even in the worst of times.


I wouldn't just call it a day because history has shown the economy is blamed on the president. Because history shows a lot of patterns, but there's always exceptions to those patterns.

Like Clinton. A roaring economy at its peak. Everyone should have instantly thought Clinton did it and bring Gore in with a landslide. But they didn't. They didn't vote based on the strength of the economy.

Lets place an asterisk next to your last sentence....


Gore won the popular vote, and well we all know the story of Florida.....
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Meadows said:
I feel so sorry for you Americans. Your electoral system is broken in that it only allows for two parties, and the only conceivable "third" party or ideology of any sort atm is the Tea Party, so you've got Centre-Right, Right, or Far-Right to choose from, and there's no way that the Dems or Reps would ever pass anything to change it because it's in their interests.

Two party politics don't work.
So you're saying for almost the entire history of the United States, our electoral system has been broken? Because that's about how long we've had a two party system and I wouldn't come close to considering it a failure for that entire time. There is plenty to fix about our electoral system, but the simple fact that we've got two parties isn't why it's broken.
 
RustyNails said:
Spread this PBS piece around. What a fuckhead. To think that this idiot is basking in all the attention he's getting for a presidential run is even more sickening.

There is a new documentary that was released not too long ago called Incendiary: The Willingham Debate. I haven't seen it, even though I'd like to. The clip of Perry in this trailer makes me sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ341zGrjEs
 

KtSlime

Member
Chichikov said:
You're wrong.
They're corporate whores (mostly) because they need their money to get elected.
But you know what they need more than money?
Votes.

Politicians will always run away from positions that has become detrimental to their reelection prospects.

See Democrats and the Iraq war or Republicans and TARP.

Not that I disagree with your assessment, but aren't those getting elected having their cake and eating it too?

What am I to do as a voter? Send whoever I plan on voting for a letter that says "If you accept x amount of funds from x, I will not vote for you"? If I vote for a politician that is accepting great deals of money to run their campaign, then I am simply encouraging this behavior to continue, but if I don't then I am throwing away my vote.

Voters are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
 
Mortrialus said:
There is a new documentary that was released not too long ago called Incendiary: The Willingham Debate. I haven't seen it, even though I'd like to. The clip of Perry in this trailer makes me sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ341zGrjEs
I'll definitely check it out, but I feel powerless that the media doesn't quite seem to be bothered with it. Hopefully, after he announces his bid he is asked the question in debates/interviews.
 

eznark

Banned
Mortrialus said:
Only if the Todd Willingham case comes up and causes his campaign to implode upon itself.

I personally don't believe this would do much damage to his campaign. Anti death penalty people generally already vote democrat and will believe Willingham was innocent while pro death penalty will trust the state.

That said, the guy will draw passion from the religious right and abject hatred from the left which equals pure entertainment for me!
 
Mortrialus said:
Only if the Todd Willingham case comes up and causes his campaign to implode upon itself.

I can already see a desperate Obama fumbling through an attempt to attack Perry on that during an October debate.
 

eznark

Banned
Clevinger said:
Who do you want to vote for, seriously?

I'll vote for Gary Johnson if he is on the primary ballot. When he doesn't get half a percent and Romney lies his way to the GOP nomination I will (like always) vote for Freidrich von Hayek.
 
eznark said:
This page makes me hope Rick Perry wins the GOP nomination.
So your hatred of other people and a desire to annoy them is what drives your politics. How patriotic of you.

eznark said:
I personally don't believe this would do much damage to his campaign. Anti death penalty people generally already vote democrat and will believe Willingham was innocent while pro death penalty will trust the state.
Oh the irony.
 

eznark

Banned
speculawyer said:
So your hatred of other people and a desire to annoy them is what drives your politics. How patriotic of you.

You are all here for my entertainment.

Honestly from where I sit there isn't enough difference between one idiot or the other and I am convinced Obama will be re-elected convincingly unless some other people enter the field.


Oh the irony.

Exactly.

By the way that Willingham Frontline documentary is on Netflix instant watch.

And yet a "desperate" Perry will run entirely on "I'm not Obama, I promise!" and not provide any sort of substance.
It almost worked for Kerry
 
PhoenixDark said:
I can already see a desperate Obama fumbling through an attempt to attack Perry on that during an October debate.
And yet a "desperate" Perry will run entirely on "I'm not Obama, I promise!" and not provide any sort of substance.

This election is going to basically be "I'm not Obama!" as the key talking point, with little to no actual content provided by the GOP.
 

Ether_Snake

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PhoenixDark said:
I can already see a desperate Obama fumbling through an attempt to attack Perry on that during an October debate.

Obama isn't dumb.
 

eznark

Banned
PhoenixDark said:
Some gloating from the left on Wisconsin
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...utm_campaign=Feed:+dailykos/index+(Daily+Kos)

Don't dems have to win all the recalls in order to take the senate? The polls I've seen are close, and will be determined by turn out, energy, and shenanigans. I really think there are going to be some pissed off liberals shouting about voter fraud come Tuesday night

The losing side always screams about voter fraud. When the Dems take back the senate Wisconsin talk radio is going to be awesome!
 

Averon

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PhoenixDark said:
Some gloating from the left on Wisconsin
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...utm_campaign=Feed:+dailykos/index+(Daily+Kos)

Don't dems have to win all the recalls in order to take the senate? The polls I've seen are close, and will be determined by turn out, energy, and shenanigans. I really think there are going to be some pissed off liberals shouting about voter fraud come Tuesday night

They just have to win three seats to take the senate.

edit: Even eznark think the Dems will take the senate? Wow!
 

eznark

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It's been like two months since I predicted they'd win. I think after the primary turnout you'd be nuts to think otherwise.

The redrawn districts render these election mostly moot, though.
 

Diablos

Member
Measley said:
Obama isn't losing the 2012 election.
The GOP pushed back the clock on the economy to 2008. People might be upset with them now, but in a year, many will take it out on the President. It's going to be an uphill battle for him.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
balladofwindfishes said:
And yet a "desperate" Perry will run entirely on "I'm not Obama, I promise!" and not provide any sort of substance.

This election is going to basically be "I'm not Obama!" as the key talking point, with little to no actual content provided by the GOP.
Sounds a lot like 2008. All he'd need to do is throw in hope and change and it could almost be a repeat.
 

Chiggs

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I think Geithner should join the Tea Party when he's thrown out on his ass in the near future.

"Obama made me spend like a madman! I didn't want to do it, but he wouldn't listen to reason. The only thing that mattered was his insane socialist plan to bring America to its knees! I was a hostage."
 

Jackson50

Member
balladofwindfishes said:
This is different.
Obama is different.

No other president, against his odds, has managed to maintain the approval rating he has kept. Any other incumbent president running with his approval rating would win. Obama remains popular even in the worst of times.


I wouldn't just call it a day because history has shown the economy is blamed on the president. Because history shows a lot of patterns, but there's always exceptions to those patterns.

Like Clinton. A roaring economy at its peak. Everyone should have instantly thought Clinton did it and bring Gore in with a landslide. But they didn't. They didn't vote based on the strength of the economy.
First, this is not different. Obama may be slightly exceeding expectations for his approval rating. But as the populace continually assigns more blame to Obama for the state of the economy, his performance is gradually returning to expectations. And by election day, for better or worse, he will be held responsible for the state of the economy.

Second, did I state that? I did not call it a day. I merely noted the public assigns responsibility to the president for the state of the economy. Moreover, as I have previously noted, there are other variables that influence voter behavior. Therefore, it would be premature to call it a day.

Third, that was not an exception. Gore actually won the popular vote. He benefited from a robust economy. Notwithstanding, Gore was unable to fully capitalize on the state of the economy. While the state of the economy explains much of the variance in presidential elections, other factors influence voter behavior. That exposes the error in your reasoning. Other factors partially negated his economic advantage. Your conclusion is erroneous.
 
SRG01 said:
Excuse me, but are you a lawyer and a college professor/lecturer at a law school?

He has said the exact same thing before and got the exact same kind of response. Don't feed his lame plays for attention.
 

besada

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eznark said:
You are all here for my entertainment.

Honestly from where I sit there isn't enough difference between one idiot or the other and I am convinced Obama will be re-elected convincingly unless some other people enter the field.

Isn't it weird that a Libertarian and a pinko commie like myself appear to be two of the few people in this thread that aren't worried about Obama's re-election?

Do you really vote for a dead Austro-Hungarian?
 

besada

Banned
SRG01 said:
Excuse me, but are you a lawyer and a college professor/lecturer at a law school?

I think he's a molecular biologist. Or something to do with molecules. I'm just a poor country IT burnout, though, so this air is probably too rarified for me.
 
planar1280 said:
link?

edit: nevermind. did he mention the reason S&P downgraded?
“This decision by S&P is the latest consequence of the out-of-control spending that has taken place in Washington for decades. The spending binge has resulted in job-destroying economic uncertainty and now threatens to send destructive ripple effects across our credit markets."
 
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
“This decision by S&P is the latest consequence of the out-of-control spending that has taken place in Washington for decades. The spending binge has resulted in job-destroying economic uncertainty and now threatens to send destructive ripple effects across our credit markets."

does not compute, what about the surplus in the mid to late 90s before bush
 

Jackson50

Member
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
“This decision by S&P is the latest consequence of the out-of-control spending that has taken place in Washington for decades. The spending binge has resulted in job-destroying economic uncertainty and now threatens to send destructive ripple effects across our credit markets."
:lol Okay, Mr. Speaker.
 

FLEABttn

Banned
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
“This decision by S&P is the latest consequence of the out-of-control spending that has taken place in Washington for decades. The spending binge has resulted in job-destroying economic uncertainty and now threatens to send destructive ripple effects across our credit markets."

He must have read a different version of the report than I did.
 
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
“This decision by S&P is the latest consequence of the out-of-control spending that has taken place in Washington for decades. The spending binge has resulted in job-destroying economic uncertainty and now threatens to send destructive ripple effects across our credit markets."
Afghan war, Bush tax cuts, No child Left behind, Iraq war, Medicare Part D, . . . fucking hypocritical assholes.
 

SolKane

Member
Not sure if this was posted earlier or if it was buried by all the debt ceiling discussion, but I just had to pass along this piece on Bachmann (so many gems):

Bachmann's concerns may have been best articulated in an interview she gave to the American Family Association's OneNewsNow in 2008. As Republicans in Washington revolted over the rising costs of gas, the then-freshman congresswoman outlined the stakes:

"This is their agenda—I know it's hard to believe, it's hard to fathom, but this is 'Mission Accomplished' for them," she said of congressional Democrats. "They want Americans to take transit and move to the inner cities. They want Americans to move to the urban core, live in tenements, [and] take light rail to their government jobs. That's their vision for America."

Oh the horror of urban America where we all live in tenements!

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/michele-bachmann-light-bulbs-agenda-21?page=1
 
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I don't see anywhere in that quote where he said that his party wasn't to blame also.
And you won't see it coming when his party gains control and starts spending like crazy again either. Sucker.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I don't see anywhere in that quote where he said that his party wasn't to blame also.
Point out where he admits what policies are actually responsible for deficit, and who enacted them.
 
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