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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags
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NullPointer
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So the prophecy is true then?Zzoram said:
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
So I just went to the grocery store and saw a car with a stick that reads 'Obama Bin Lyin'.
RustyNails
Member
"Tea Party in Space?"LovingSteam said:
Why do I suddenly have a picture in my head of angry old people with pitchforks wearing spacesuit on the moon?
state-of-the-art
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It's not just NASA, the military is also a hot bed of socialism. Stupid government telling contractors how to meet their specifications. Let the free market decide I say.
mckmas8808
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reilo said:
So what do you think they were trying to say here?
state-of-the-art
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reilo said:
I know. Stupid LOAC and Geneva conventions.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
reilo said:
Okay so what about this?
To me that's a comparison that makes it seem as if it's not really that much.
Clevinger said:
I think he could take the primary, and of all the candidates running, I think he has the best chance of beating Obama. I still think Obama wins.
No one likes Romney. He's soft and girly, he lacks the ability to pretend he believes in things, and he's a Mormon. No one wants to vote for a guy who curses like a six year old. That is not a guy you want to have a beer with, because he'd tell you how he didn't drink, and that your body is a temple.
I think Bachmann's got a better chance than Romney. The GOP fucked itself. The only person who can win the primary is going to scare the shit out of the people in the general election. Of the scary people, Perry's the only one who can convincingly portray himself as reasonable, largely because he believes in nothing but money and power.
He beat Kay Bailey like a drum, even though the GOP had promised her the spot and even though she was a vastly better candidate. He held off multiple Republican challengers last time and barely broke a sweat trouncing Bill White. And he outspent them all, combined.
Unlike Shrub, he's a real Texan. Born in Abilene, educated at A&M, where he was in the Corps, a bad student, an Air Force officer who actually flew overseas, a cotton farmer, and the longest sitting Governor of the state. The people who treat him as non-threatening don't know what they're talking about. Perry is a poisonous, hideous man, but incapable of seizing the reins of power he ain't.
Regarding his religion, he's a kind of Methodist you don't see much anymore. Everyone freaks out about the Baptists, but the Texan Methodists of yore made the Baptists look like drink swilling, whoring, reprobates. I know, because I grew up in one of those households, and wasn't allowed to use real cards and didn't have dice for our Monopoly set, lest we fall into sin. He comes from mean, hard-hearted farm people, and while he looks good in a suit, down under all that is a nasty little farm boy, which I also know a little about. I don't know if he believes the things he says.
My general opinion is that he doesn't believe in anything. I think, like Atwater and Rove, the only thing he believes in is winning and shoving the faces of all the rich kids who laughed at them in the dirt.
Like most of the GOP, given the slightest chance, he'll overreach and fuck himself up. His history is littered with ideas he wrecked in just this manner, and yet he always seems to walk away unscathed. Some folks down here think he's stumbled into most of his success, but if so, he's a damned lucky human being. I think he likes it when people don't take him seriously. If you've read James M. Cain's KILLER INSIDE ME, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
That was probably more than you were asking for
Edit: I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think the Cameron Todd Willingham story is going to get much traction in the general. In a reasonable world it would, but this is not a reasonable world.
mckmas8808
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GhaleonEB said:
I know it's a lot. I guess the way I read the headline and the extra sentence in the story, it read like some one saying "It's only one month's worth of oil and we're talking about 4 years worth of new trucks. That ain't crap".
Maybe I interpreted what they were trying to say incorrectly.
Vestal
Junior Member
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/09/dylan-ratigan-mad-as-hell-his-epic-network-moment/
*STANDING OVATION*
Wow that was good.
*STANDING OVATION*
Wow that was good.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Reid Picks Murray, Kerry, Baucus For Super Committee
Brian Beutler | August 9, 2011, 6:15PM
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has announced that Sens. John Kerry (D-MA), Patty Murray (D-WA), and Max Baucus (D-MT) will serve a new deficit Super Committee. Murray will be the Democrats' top member.
"I have great faith in Senator Murray as the co-chair of the committee," Reid said in a statement. "Her years of experience on the Senate Budget and Appropriations committees have given her a depth of knowledge on budget issues, and demonstrated her ability to work across party lines. Senators Baucus and Kerry are two of the Senate's most respected and experienced legislators. Their legislative accomplishments are matched only by their records of forging strong bonds with their Republican colleagues."
Entitlement defenders were hoping for a more progressive bunch than this. But the key on the Democratic side of the new committee isn't so much whether members will agree in principle to some entitlement cuts -- most say they will -- it's whether they'll require as a concession that Republicans agree to increase tax revenues.
And through that prism, there's some reason for optimism.
Murray is a senior member of the Budget Committee, a proponent of balancing spending cuts and tax increases in a deficit deal, and, importantly, chairwoman off the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. That has Republicans crying foul already, and here's why: A hidden reason for the GOP's ongoing deficit push has been to force Democrats to cut entitlement benefits on a bipartisan basis, to neutralize the GOP's vote to phase out Medicare earlier this year. As the person in charge of electing Democrats to the Senate in 2012, Murray will have a powerful incentive to steer clear of policies that blur the sharp contrast between the parties on that issue.
Baucus is chair of the Finance Committee, and thus highly territorial about tax and entitlement issues. He's also famous for having spent months seeking bipartisan consensus on universal health care legislation in 2009, only to have Republicans walk away. And as budget negotiations led by Vice President Joe Biden broke down earlier this year, Baucus, a member of that discussion group, agreed in principle to Medicare cuts, but only if they were commensurate with new tax revenues. Republicans will never agree to that. As a member of President Obama's fiscal committee, he voted against a proposal authored by chairs Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson on the grounds that it wasn't sufficiently balanced.
Kerry's the surprise here. He's a senior member of both the Senate and of the Finance Committee. On Meet the Press Sunday, he advocated for cuts and reforms to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security but acknowledged the need for "some revenue."
So the good news is the Democrats on the committee have all demanded balance in the past, and will have an incentive to stick to that demand. The bad news is balance has no agreed-upon definition, and if Republicans put up a trivial amount of new revenue, Democrats might be tempted to call it a win and cave.
We'll have more of a sense of how likely that is when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announces his selections in the next few days. He, Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) have until August 16 to name their picks.
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Having John Kerry on the Super Duper team makes me kinda nervous. Regardless the Bush tax cuts need to end.
Brian Beutler | August 9, 2011, 6:15PM
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has announced that Sens. John Kerry (D-MA), Patty Murray (D-WA), and Max Baucus (D-MT) will serve a new deficit Super Committee. Murray will be the Democrats' top member.
"I have great faith in Senator Murray as the co-chair of the committee," Reid said in a statement. "Her years of experience on the Senate Budget and Appropriations committees have given her a depth of knowledge on budget issues, and demonstrated her ability to work across party lines. Senators Baucus and Kerry are two of the Senate's most respected and experienced legislators. Their legislative accomplishments are matched only by their records of forging strong bonds with their Republican colleagues."
Entitlement defenders were hoping for a more progressive bunch than this. But the key on the Democratic side of the new committee isn't so much whether members will agree in principle to some entitlement cuts -- most say they will -- it's whether they'll require as a concession that Republicans agree to increase tax revenues.
And through that prism, there's some reason for optimism.
Murray is a senior member of the Budget Committee, a proponent of balancing spending cuts and tax increases in a deficit deal, and, importantly, chairwoman off the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. That has Republicans crying foul already, and here's why: A hidden reason for the GOP's ongoing deficit push has been to force Democrats to cut entitlement benefits on a bipartisan basis, to neutralize the GOP's vote to phase out Medicare earlier this year. As the person in charge of electing Democrats to the Senate in 2012, Murray will have a powerful incentive to steer clear of policies that blur the sharp contrast between the parties on that issue.
Baucus is chair of the Finance Committee, and thus highly territorial about tax and entitlement issues. He's also famous for having spent months seeking bipartisan consensus on universal health care legislation in 2009, only to have Republicans walk away. And as budget negotiations led by Vice President Joe Biden broke down earlier this year, Baucus, a member of that discussion group, agreed in principle to Medicare cuts, but only if they were commensurate with new tax revenues. Republicans will never agree to that. As a member of President Obama's fiscal committee, he voted against a proposal authored by chairs Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson on the grounds that it wasn't sufficiently balanced.
Kerry's the surprise here. He's a senior member of both the Senate and of the Finance Committee. On Meet the Press Sunday, he advocated for cuts and reforms to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security but acknowledged the need for "some revenue."
So the good news is the Democrats on the committee have all demanded balance in the past, and will have an incentive to stick to that demand. The bad news is balance has no agreed-upon definition, and if Republicans put up a trivial amount of new revenue, Democrats might be tempted to call it a win and cave.
We'll have more of a sense of how likely that is when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announces his selections in the next few days. He, Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) have until August 16 to name their picks.
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Having John Kerry on the Super Duper team makes me kinda nervous. Regardless the Bush tax cuts need to end.
Vestal
Junior Member
mckmas8808 said:Reid Picks Murray, Kerry, Baucus For Super Committee
Brian Beutler | August 9, 2011, 6:15PM
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has announced that Sens. John Kerry (D-MA), Patty Murray (D-WA), and Max Baucus (D-MT) will serve a new deficit Super Committee. Murray will be the Democrats' top member.
"I have great faith in Senator Murray as the co-chair of the committee," Reid said in a statement. "Her years of experience on the Senate Budget and Appropriations committees have given her a depth of knowledge on budget issues, and demonstrated her ability to work across party lines. Senators Baucus and Kerry are two of the Senate's most respected and experienced legislators. Their legislative accomplishments are matched only by their records of forging strong bonds with their Republican colleagues."
Entitlement defenders were hoping for a more progressive bunch than this. But the key on the Democratic side of the new committee isn't so much whether members will agree in principle to some entitlement cuts -- most say they will -- it's whether they'll require as a concession that Republicans agree to increase tax revenues.
And through that prism, there's some reason for optimism.
Murray is a senior member of the Budget Committee, a proponent of balancing spending cuts and tax increases in a deficit deal, and, importantly, chairwoman off the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. That has Republicans crying foul already, and here's why: A hidden reason for the GOP's ongoing deficit push has been to force Democrats to cut entitlement benefits on a bipartisan basis, to neutralize the GOP's vote to phase out Medicare earlier this year. As the person in charge of electing Democrats to the Senate in 2012, Murray will have a powerful incentive to steer clear of policies that blur the sharp contrast between the parties on that issue.
Baucus is chair of the Finance Committee, and thus highly territorial about tax and entitlement issues. He's also famous for having spent months seeking bipartisan consensus on universal health care legislation in 2009, only to have Republicans walk away. And as budget negotiations led by Vice President Joe Biden broke down earlier this year, Baucus, a member of that discussion group, agreed in principle to Medicare cuts, but only if they were commensurate with new tax revenues. Republicans will never agree to that. As a member of President Obama's fiscal committee, he voted against a proposal authored by chairs Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson on the grounds that it wasn't sufficiently balanced.
Kerry's the surprise here. He's a senior member of both the Senate and of the Finance Committee. On Meet the Press Sunday, he advocated for cuts and reforms to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security but acknowledged the need for "some revenue."
So the good news is the Democrats on the committee have all demanded balance in the past, and will have an incentive to stick to that demand. The bad news is balance has no agreed-upon definition, and if Republicans put up a trivial amount of new revenue, Democrats might be tempted to call it a win and cave.
We'll have more of a sense of how likely that is when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announces his selections in the next few days. He, Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) have until August 16 to name their picks.
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Having John Kerry on the Super Duper team makes me kinda nervous. Regardless the Bush tax cuts need to end.
BAUCUS?!?!?! FUCKING SERIOUSLY!?!?!
FUUUUUCK
I really wish people who never seen Network would stop trying to reference it.Vestal said:
Calling someone a Howard Beale is not a compliment.
But anyway, I agree with most of what he said, I think, not too much meat in it.
EDIT: FUCK YOU HARRY REID, FUCK YOU WITH A TIRE IRON.
MrGame&Watch
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QFTreilo said:
Seriously did they not learn anything at all from the health care debacle?
I can see why countries turn to dictatorship. Democracies can be so fucking weak.
Escape Goat
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Congress needs an enema.
Vanillalite
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On a side note with Oil around the $82 a barrel mark... what are GAS prices in everyone's neck of the woods? They are around $3.36 for regular here still.
PS: What time do the Wisconsin polls close?
PS: What time do the Wisconsin polls close?
mckmas8808
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MrGame&Watch said:
PhoenixDark
Banned
I have faith in Murray. Kerry has advocated Medicare and SS cuts, but I can't help but think he won't agree to benefit cuts in either; cuts can be made as long as they don't hurt benefits imo.
Baucus lol. Every group needs a Ringo I guess
Baucus lol. Every group needs a Ringo I guess
reilo said:
There's usually a week or two delay between oil prices dropping and pump prices following since these are contracts for future deliveries. So a while later, these cheaper contracts are redeemed, refined, and hit the pump.
PhoenixDark said:
As someone rooting for the trigger, I'm disappointed at the reasonable choices by Sen. Reid.
More so that I expect Baucus to agree to something that all but the most ardent TP'er will accept, so that probably means they make a deal now.
TacticalFox88
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/08/09/292080/rnc-chair-blames-obama-for-gop-unpopularity/
...I ...I don't know what to say. Wow
...I ...I don't know what to say. Wow
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
DasRaven said:
I wouldn't expect a major drop or any drop at all, to be honest. Apparently the latest reports are that oil supplies in America showed a surprise drop. My guess is oil goes up at least $3 tomorrow and gas prices will be up 20 cents by Thursday.
SnakeswithLasers
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Why do (normal, everyday) people care about stock prices? The markets had been doing wonderfully for a year, but that had no reflection back out on "main street"--so why do we still watch it as a barometer for general economic strength? Shouldn't growth and unemployment numbers be the real gauge?
mckmas8808
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Plinko said:
Price gouging!
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