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[gcubed]

http://twitter.com/#!/WKOW/status/101017219554746368

wow. Well at least its something to break the barackopolypse (or whatever it is) news cycle.

 

[besada]

On my Google trends chart, Perry's pinned to the top, and the only other person that even compares is Palin. Romney's down with the rest of the pack these days, just slightly above Cain and Bachmann.

Totally non-scientific.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

On my Google trends chart, Perry's pinned to the top, and the only other person that even compares is Palin. Romney's down with the rest of the pack these days, just slightly above Cain and Bachmann.

Totally non-scientific.

How long has that been the case?

 

[Suikoguy]

On my Google trends chart, Perry's pinned to the top, and the only other person that even compares is Palin. Romney's down with the rest of the pack these days, just slightly above Cain and Bachmann.

Totally non-scientific.

Mittens has intentionally stayed quiet, a strategy I don't think will work well for him.

He could take the opportunity to stand up as a moderate republican who will do what it takes to get things done. But, I think his campaign fears the backlash.

 

[reilo]

Dow 11,239.77 +429.92 +3.98%

lol fucking really?

 

[besada]

How long has that been the case?

Started August 4th. The prayer meeting got him exactly the attention he was looking for.

Mittens has intentionally stayed quiet, a strategy I don't think will work well for him.

Should have stayed quiet a little longer:http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/romney-irked-by-white-houses-prepared-attacks.php?ref=fpc

"It is disgraceful that President Obama's campaign has launched his re-election with the stated goal to 'kill' his opponent with an onslaught of negative and personal attacks," Romney said in a statement.

No one likes a whiner.

 

[Byakuya769]

MetaPoliGAF: Is this thread moving considerably more quickly than the last one, or is that just a figment of my imagination?

Yea. I think it's cause I'm back to being a regular. Aiming for that top ten list!

 

[besada]

Yea. I think it's cause I'm back to being a regular. Aiming for that top ten list!

I think we're all beginning to wake up from our long post 2010 hibernation (or 2008 hibernation, in my case) and preen our fur for the coming elections.

 

[Byakuya769]

I think we're all beginning to wake up from our long post 2010 hibernation (or 2008 hibernation, in my case) and preen our fur for the coming elections.

Ha, I cannot wait for the craziness that is presidential election season poligaf.

 

[scorcho]

Dow 11,239.77 +429.92 +3.98%

lol fucking really?

look at that, the Obama Recovery!

the capriciousness of traders and the impact they have on our economy is pathetic.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Yea. I think it's cause I'm back to being a regular. Aiming for that top ten list!

Territory don't mean shit if you don't have product. (That's not supposed to be a jab, I just enjoy quoting Stringer Bell.)

 

[Byakuya769]

Territory don't mean shit if you don't have product.

My reaction to that: "Why's he being so mean to me... ooooooooh, I get it. Stringer Bell up in here."

Nice.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

The Tea-party cognitive dissonance never ceases to amaze me though.
-They hold the debt limit hostage until the last minute.
-S&P issues downgrade citing the political gridlock problem
-Tea party: S&P downgrade is Obama's fault because he didn't agree to massive cuts!

WTF?

Wrong again as usual. Hmmmm......what did S&P cite as the "KEY to long-term fiscal sustainability”?
Containment of entitlement programs.
Which party has been most reluctant to address and curb entitlement spending? Hint: It ain't the tea party.

 

[reilo]

I broached this subject last week, so I am glad to see at least something be done about it:

If you're not sure why today's announcement from the Obama Administration about the first-ever fuel economy standards for heavy-duty trucks and buses is important, read this.

Okay, now that we're all on the same page, let's take a look at the new standards. These aren't specific MPG targets like passenger vehicles have. Instead, different vehicle categories have different improvement targets. The headline numbers from the EPA are that the new standards will save $50 billion in fuel costs and around 530 million barrels of oil over the life of new trucks built between 2014 and 2018.

To put that in perspective, the U.S. uses around 19 million barrels of oil a day, so we'll be saving just under a month's worth of the entire country's appetite for oil from heavy-duty trucks built during these four years.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/09/first-ever-heavy-duty-truck-efficiency-standards-announced-will/

 

[Matt]

Wrong again as usual. Hmmmm......what did S&P cite as the "KEY to long-term fiscal sustainability”?
Containment of entitlement programs.
Which party has been most reluctant to address and curb entitlement spending? Hint: It ain't the tea party.

BS. Obama offered entitlement cuts during the negotiations, the Republicans turned him down.

 

[Celsior]

New York = New Vegas?

Cuomo says NY considering commercial casinos

Local news station

I don't mind actually, as a NY resident.

I wonder if this is to try to kill the Indian Casino in belmont raceway by bringing in taxed casinos.
A Casino right there would be a fucking money maker for who ever gets it.

 

[mckmas8808]

It is in many states and cities. The state you live in, for example.

Oh yeah. I remember hearing about those ads on the radio. Why is it illegal in the state that always says they hate regulation and too much gov't control?

 

[scorcho]

Wrong again as usual. Hmmmm......what did S&P cite as the "KEY to long-term fiscal sustainability”?
Containment of entitlement programs.
Which party has been most reluctant to address and curb entitlement spending? Hint: It ain't the tea party.

Obama put entitlement cuts on the table if the GOP went along with tax code reform and an increase on the marginal rate for top earners. guess which side backed out? hint: it's obvious.

 

[empty vessel]

Oh yeah. I remember hearing about those ads on the radio. Why is it illegal in the state that always says they hate regulation and too much gov't control?

Up is down. Black is white*, Night is day. Welcome to Texas.

Spoiler

* Except when it comes to people.

 

[A Human Becoming]

PoliGAF can be hard to jump into. I finally have after months of lurker but am not making an effort to keep up. I can only take so much politics.

 

[Clevinger]

Besada, what do you think Perry's chances are in the primary and in the general?

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Obama put entitlement cuts on the table if the GOP went along with tax code reform and an increase on the marginal rate for top earners. guess which side backed out? hint: it's obvious.

Which party said this?
"As long as the entitlement programs are part of a cut program, I can't support it"

 

[gcubed]

Which party said this?
"As long as the entitlement programs are part of a cut program, I can't support it"

Which party actively rejected it? A delicagenius like yourself should get this

 

[GhaleonEB]

Which party said this?
"As long as the entitlement programs are part of a cut program, I can't support it"

A party didn't say that. A person did.

Both Pelosi and Reid said entitlement reform was on the table so long as benefits were not cut. There is ample room to improve the effeciency of the programs without cutting the benefits. Of couse, the GOP objective is to cut the benefits, and also to protect the wealthy from any tax increases. So, they walked.

It was Boehner and Cantor who literally walked out on negotiations. Obama put a $4t deal in front of them, which cut many Democratic priorities, in exchange for modest revenues from the wealthy. They. Walked.

 

[speculawyer]

Wrong again as usual. Hmmmm......what did S&P cite as the "KEY to long-term fiscal sustainability”?
Containment of entitlement programs.
Which party has been most reluctant to address and curb entitlement spending? Hint: It ain't the tea party.

Overview
· We have lowered our long-term sovereign credit rating on the United
States of America to 'AA+' from 'AAA' and affirmed the 'A-1+' short-term
rating.
· We have also removed both the short- and long-term ratings from
CreditWatch negative.
· The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan
that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of
what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's
medium-term debt dynamics.
· More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness,
stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political
institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic
challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a
negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.
· Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the
gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us
pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be
able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal
consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any
time soon.
· The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. We could lower the
long-term rating to 'AA' within the next two years if we see that less
reduction in spending than agreed to, higher interest rates, or new
fiscal pressures during the period result in a higher general government
debt trajectory than we currently assume in our base case.

Try CTRL-F 'entitlement'. Oh look nothing in the overview. I guess it wasn't important.

Have to look further. Here it is.

The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as
America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective,
and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt
ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in
the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our
view, the differences between political parties have proven to be
extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting
agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program
that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and
Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on
discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on
more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have
dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions
only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements,
the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key
to long-term fiscal sustainability.

So in a long paragraph focusing on the brinksmanship, using debt ceiling as a bargaining chip, lack of new revenues, you think the main thrust of it is is the final sentence starting with "In addition,".

And the thing is . . . Obama had put changes of those entitlement programs on the bargaining table. Someone else decided that keeping oil subsidies and corporate jet tax incentives was more important to keep.

http://www.standardandpoors.com/ser...lobwhere=1243942957443&blobheadervalue3=UTF-8

 

[Incognito]

Besada, what do you think Perry's chances are in the primary and in the general?

i'm not beseda but as a ward living under Perry's reign for the last 11 years, i would say he has an excellent shot at winning the nomination. also excellent is the possibility of him getting annihilated in the general.

 

[Vestal]

i'm not beseda but as a ward living under Perry's reign for the last 11 years, i would say he has an excellent shot at winning the nomination. also excellent is the possibility of him getting annihilated in the general.

I'll say it again.. The only Republican Candidate with a real chance at winning the Presidential Election is Mitt Romney.. However his chances of winning the nomination while still keeping his centrist persona are basically nill.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I broached this subject last week, so I am glad to see at least something be done about it:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/09/first-ever-heavy-duty-truck-efficiency-standards-announced-will/

Aye, I maintain this is Obama's greatest policy achievement, should they be implemented. No other single viable policy solution is out there that will be more effective at reducing the price of oil on our economy.

look at that, the Obama Recovery!

the capriciousness of traders and the impact they have on our economy is pathetic.

I like how traders sold heavily upon the Fed Open Market Committee statement, and then turned around and bought everything under the sun.

The way the FOMC specified the minimum time frame for the current target rate was unusual and appranantly meant to provide that elusive "confidence". Me, I think it signalled they think the economy will be in the shitter for at least the next two years. Buy, buy, buy!

 

[PhoenixDark]

i'm not beseda but as a ward living under Perry's reign for the last 11 years, i would say he has an excellent shot at winning the nomination. also excellent is the possibility of him getting annihilated in the general.

I just don't get this. You seem out of touch sir

 

[Aaron Strife]

Link:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/09/cnn-poll-time-to-clean-house-in-congress/

Obama "gave them enough rope" and they hung themselves. Of course, the American people will forget this 6 months from now so scoring a political victory when there is no near-term election is pointless.

The Tea-party cognitive dissonance never ceases to amaze me though.
-They hold the debt limit hostage until the last minute.
-S&P issues downgrade citing the political gridlock problem
-Tea party: S&P downgrade is Obama's fault because he didn't agree to massive cuts!

WTF?

Even if people are unable to articulate their dislike of Congressional Republicans in 6 months, the attitude will still be there. It happened in 2006, and in 2010. And it's not like they're going to play it safe for another year, this kind of shit has been happening since 2009, Americans are only just now noticing it since it had some tangible, clearly obvious effect (the credit downgrade).

And of course, Obama and Pelosi and everybody is going to bring up this shit again in 2012, a whole laundry list of tea party antics from January 2011 to October 2012. Couple that with the idea that electing a President Romney, Perry, etc. who would support the tea party would make it even worse, and they've got an easy campaign message going into election day.

I think this is an opportunity not just to win the House back, but to expand the Senate majority and re-elect Obama decisively. Basically, a complete do-over of 2010.

 

[Vestal]

I just don't get this. You seem out of touch sir

If he makes it out of the Primaries, get ready to see this name every day until Election day.

Cameron Todd Willingham

 

[mckmas8808]

I broached this subject last week, so I am glad to see at least something be done about it:


http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/09/first-ever-heavy-duty-truck-efficiency-standards-announced-will/

Not sure why they chose that headline.....A month's worth my not sound like alot when compared to the entire American economy, but then again heavy duty trucks don't use as much oil as the entire economy.

So why make that weak comparison?

 

[gcubed]

I just don't get this. You seem out of touch sir

Its funny coming from king concern troll

 

[Incognito]

pd, texas doesn't even like rick perry. he's just managed to consolidate power while the democratic party flails around out here trying to win a statewide office for the first time since the 90s. his shit won't fly outside the south.

 

[Patrick Klepek]

Even if people are unable to articulate their dislike of Congressional Republicans in 6 months, the attitude will still be there. It happened in 2006, and in 2010. And it's not like they're going to play it safe for another year, this kind of shit has been happening since 2009, Americans are only just now noticing it since it had some tangible, clearly obvious effect (the credit downgrade).

And of course, Obama and Pelosi and everybody is going to bring up this shit again in 2012, a whole laundry list of tea party antics from January 2011 to October 2012. Couple that with the idea that electing a President Romney, Perry, etc. who would support the tea party would make it even worse, and they've got an easy campaign message going into election day.

I think this is an opportunity not just to win the House back, but to expand the Senate majority and re-elect Obama decisively. Basically, a complete do-over of 2010.

 

[reilo]

but then again heavy duty trucks don't use as much oil as the entire economy.

what?

 

[Incognito]

i think winning back the house is almost assured at this point for the dems.

 

[gcubed]

Even if people are unable to articulate their dislike of Congressional Republicans in 6 months, the attitude will still be there. It happened in 2006, and in 2010. And it's not like they're going to play it safe for another year, this kind of shit has been happening since 2009, Americans are only just now noticing it since it had some tangible, clearly obvious effect (the credit downgrade).

And of course, Obama and Pelosi and everybody is going to bring up this shit again in 2012, a whole laundry list of tea party antics from January 2011 to October 2012. Couple that with the idea that electing a President Romney, Perry, etc. who would support the tea party would make it even worse, and they've got an easy campaign message going into election day.

I think this is an opportunity not just to win the House back, but to expand the Senate majority and re-elect Obama decisively. Basically, a complete do-over of 2010.

Well, now you are a little into the crazy positive territory. Listed in order of possibility.

Obama win
I hook up with the hot chick sitting next to me on the trolley right now
Dems retake the house
We cure cancer
Dems gain seats in the senate

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

NASA= Socialism

To Infini-Tea And Beyond: 'Tea Party In Space' Aims To Stop NASA's 'Socialism'
Jillian Rayfield | August 9, 2011, 4:50PM


An offshoot of the South Florida Tea Party called "Tea Party In Space" is looking to break apart the government's socialist takeover of the final frontier.

Andrew L. Gasser launched Tea Party In Space in June as a way to "bring fiscal responsibility" into the space program, he told TPM Tuesday. He called the group, which was formed in conjunction with the South Florida Tea Party, the first "issue-specific" tea party in the country.

Gasser explained that the group aims to bring the free markets into the space program, because right now, he say, there is only the government -- which amounts to socialism. "It is socialism when you have the government coming down and saying, 'this is what we want to build, and this is how we want you to build it,'" he said.

But Gasser stopped short of saying the government should be out of the space entirely. "There has to be limited government," he said. "There has to be a partnership."

"Some people inside NASA get it and some people don't," he later added.

The TPIS, which describes itself as non-partisan, boasts the motto "Get Your Tea In Zero G" on its site, and encourages supporters to attend their Congressional representatives' town halls. In a press release announcing the launch of the group's platform, Gasser said:

The TEA Party's core values are just what America's space endeavors need right now in this volatile economy. NASA is being forced to fund programs that are behind schedule and ridiculously over budget. It's time to ask: 'how much is enough?' Both NASA, and the American taxpayer deserve a better plan and that's what our platform provides.

Gasser told TPM that members of the Tea Party Caucus were the most interested in what he had to say about NASA, though he has heard from both Democrats and Republicans. Some, he said, would even be appearing in a press conference with him next month to promote parts of the group's platform, including Commercial Crew Development, a program administered by NASA that helps private sector companies develop the technology to send private crew-operated spacecraft into low-Earth orbit. Gasser would not specify which Congressmen could appear.

...

 

[Celsior]

i think winning back the house is almost assured at this point for the dems.

The Congress is going to be very anti-incumbent this year, since the Repubs have the house it is going to affect them more.

 

[Suikoguy]

...

I had no idea the government was stopping the private sector from going into space!
Wow, what a huge secret!

 

[teiresias]

Did anyone listen to the interview on Fresh Aire today with the guy from The New Yorker who profiled Bachmann. I got in the car in the middle of it, but damn that woman is scarier as I increase the ever more ridiculous things I hear about her!

And as someone who works at NASA, that whole NASA = Socialism nonsense is so freaking laughable.

 

[FLEABttn]

I had no idea the government was stopping the private sector from going into space!
Wow, what a huge secret!

I like how the government specifying what it wants it's spaceship to do and what specs it needs to meet is somehow socialism.

 

[scorcho]

i think winning back the house is almost assured at this point for the dems.

doesn't it seem likely that Dems could trade control of the House and the Senate?

 

[HamPster PamPster]

...

I don't care if it doesn't make sense, I want to be part of this movement

I'm founding the Tea-yrannosaurus Rex Party right here and now. Get the socialism out of dinosaur research!

 

[Jackson50]

The fragile rebel leadership in Benghazi have resorted to a typical tactic for beleaguered governments. They are reshuffling their "cabinet." I was always doubtful they could capably administer Libya. And their performance has done little to allay my fears.

I'll probably get hated on though in thinking that either way today's results in the Wisconsin recall aren't something I'd really want to key in on and extrapolate to future nationwide elections.

No. Well, not by me, at least. People often mistakenly extrapolate a national narrative from special elections. There is scant evidence that special elections portend national elections; while referendums are rare in the U.S., I doubt they diverge from other special elections on this aspect. Not that special elections are not affected by national politics. But it is difficult to decipher a national trend from a few elections.

 

[Incognito]

doesn't it seem likely that Dems could trade control of the House and the Senate?

yeah, seems so.

 

[speculawyer]

I like how the Fed is completely out of bullets such that they are now resorting to trying to use Jedi mind tricks.

Fed: "We'll keep the rates low until 2013."

Observers: Really? What if that is a bad idea . . . I mean you can change your mind at any time and raise them, right?

Fed: Shhhh. The rates are low and will stay low for two years. Now go forth with economic activity! Huzzah!

 

[mckmas8808]

what?

The comparison that the Autoblog made from the gallons of oil savings that will come from the heavy duty trucks to the entire US economy was stupid.

Why make that particular comparison? It seems as if they are trying to make the change seem small or something.

 

[reilo]

The comparison that the Autoblog made from the gallons of oil savings that will come from the heavy duty trucks to the entire US economy was stupid.

Why make that particular comparison? It seems as if they are trying to make the change seem small or something.

Huh, no they weren't.