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[state-of-the-art]

Considering we surpassed the housing crash of the great depression, ideas like this are starting to seem reasonable. But the current unemployment numbers are not nearly as bad as the great depression unemployment.


I'm still skeptical on a lot of the stimulus ideas though . . . with our globalized economy, so much of the stimulus projects just end-up using tax-dollars to stimulate foreign economies since we buy raw materials, tools, equipment, etc. from foreign vendors on so many of these projects. If they are going to spend money then they need to figure out how to spend it in ways where all the money stays here.

I think it would be good considering that the construction industry was one of the hardest hit by the recession. Those people would be especially vital to updating our ancient power grid, as well as updating all manner of dilapidated public roads, bridges, etc.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Current ratings are worse that I thought:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/keith-olbermann-boost-ratings-current-97367

Keith Olbermann is has a Howard Stern type following? LOL People upgrading their cable package for Current TV? Double-LOL

23,000 people. That's a whole 460 people per state tuning in during primetime.

Who hurt you, Kosmo? Were you an unfortunate altar boy or something? Your single-minded focus on chickenshit issues speaks to some grave wound in your past. Don't worry, though: we're here for you. We'll get you through this, buddy.

 

[eznark]

Who hurt you, Kosmo? Were you an unfortunate altar boy or something? Your single-minded focus on chickenshit issues speaks to some grave wound in your past. Don't worry, though: we're here for you. We'll get you through this, buddy.

What an odd response

 

[Clevinger]

Who hurt you, Kosmo? Were you an unfortunate altar boy or something? Your single-minded focus on chickenshit issues speaks to some grave wound in your past. Don't worry, though: we're here for you. We'll get you through this, buddy.

I don't know. It'd be pretty hilarious to me if Sean Hannity got fired from Fox and ended up on some bumblefuck cable channel no one watches.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

What an odd response

He see.s to be having a pretty rough go of it today. Just thought I'd try to offer some comfort.

 

[eznark]

He see.s to be having a pretty rough go of it today. Just thought I'd try to offer some comfort.

I think your response would have been perfect to the dumb Drudge regurgitation, but the Current viewership was useful and interesting.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Who hurt you, Kosmo? Were you an unfortunate altar boy or something? Your single-minded focus on chickenshit issues speaks to some grave wound in your past. Don't worry, though: we're here for you. We'll get you through this, buddy.

I for one endorse as much Olbermann bashing as humanly possible. He's a piece of shit diva and is on a soon-to-be-failing television channel.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

I don't know. It'd be pretty hilarious to me if Sean Hannity got fired from Fox and ended up on some bumblefuck cable channel no one watches.

I challenge you to think of a violation of ethics short of homicide egregious enough to get Hannity fired.

Eznark: I take your point, but it seems as though lately Kosmo has fallen into a hit and run posting pattern, and a lot of the content of those posts has been either massively distorted or wholly irrelevant, and I thought it was worth calling further attention to.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

I for one endorse as much Olbermann bashing as humanly possible. He's a piece of shit diva and is on a soon-to-be-failing television channel.

I can see why people feel that way about him, but I appreciate him for representing liberals out loud and with more vigor than any (save one now-disgraced) elected representative would.

 

[speculawyer]

Obama needs to end the Afghan war. It is toast. No one gives a shit, it is expensive, and it is endless. Usama is dead and paying Pakistan for their help is not popular. End it.

http://people-press.org/2011/06/21/record-number-favors-removing-u-s-troops-from-afghanistan/

Seriously now . . . Huntsman is entering the campaign with a major plank of ending that war.

With Usama dead, he can cleanly get out. Just say "I surged the war in Afghanistan because that was the war in response to 9/11. Usama is now dead and Al-Qeada has been effectively eliminated from Afghanistan. Our work is done there."


If the Taliban take over . . . so be it. We spent 10 years there. That is enough. It is not like we didn't make a real effort.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Sorry to rehash page 1 or 2, but I just shopped today for groceries and got:

Frozen peas
Deli ham
4 meat pizza
Tortilla chips
3 green peppers
2 pounds of red onions
1 pound of vidalia onions
Tomatoes on the vine
2 boxes of fruit snacks
2 boxes of penne rigate
Cinnamon toast crunch
A bag of celery
2 boxes of corn muffin mix
Chocolate pudding snak paks
A pound of butter
Multigrain crisp snacks
A bag of string cheese
A gallon of milk
Parmesan cheese
Fruit cocktail dried fruits
2 cans of corn
Can of tuna
Can of ravioli
Peaches in light syrup
Creamed corn
3 cans of green beans
Fruit juice
Grapefruit juice
2 cans of evaporated milk
Box of cereal bars
2 bottles of some v8 juice cocktail knockoff
2 cans diced tomatoes
Canola oil
Black beans
2 cans chicken broth
5 pound bag of sugar
Pure vanilla extract
4 pounds of chicken breasts
2 pounds 90/10 ground sirloin
Cat litter
Bag of oranges


86.58 after tax.

This is a lot of our staples and pantry fill-ins, too. Normally we would buy more produce, but we have a lot left over from last time we went shopping.

To those that said they couldn't imagine someone feeding a family of 3 off of 350 a month should realize I could buy 4 times this stuff to hit 350 and have way more food than we could ever eat in a month.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Afghanistan is a lost cause. Whether we 30,000 troops there or 0 troops there it makes no difference.

 

[speculawyer]

Afghanistan is a lost cause. Whether we 30,000 troops there or 0 troops there it makes no difference.

Oh I know that if we put 100,000 troops there and gave it 30 years, we could really change the place. That ain't gonna happen though. So let's stop the charade.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Oh I know that if we put 100,000 troops there and gave it 30 years, we could really change the place. That ain't gonna happen though. So let's stop the charade.

Even with 100k for 30 years, we would step away for 5 and it would be a shithole again.

 

[eznark]

Sorry to rehash page 1 or 2, but I just shopped today for groceries and got:

Frozen peas
Deli ham
4 meat pizza
Tortilla chips
3 green peppers
2 pounds of red onions
1 pound of vidalia onions
Tomatoes on the vine
2 boxes of fruit snacks
2 boxes of penne rigate
Cinnamon toast crunch
A bag of celery
2 boxes of corn muffin mix
Chocolate pudding snak paks
A pound of butter
Multigrain crisp snacks
A bag of string cheese
A gallon of milk
Parmesan cheese
Fruit cocktail dried fruits
2 cans of corn
Can of tuna
Can of ravioli
Peaches in light syrup
Creamed corn
3 cans of green beans
Fruit juice
Grapefruit juice
2 cans of evaporated milk
Box of cereal bars
2 bottles of some v8 juice cocktail knockoff
2 cans diced tomatoes
Canola oil
Black beans
2 cans chicken broth
5 pound bag of sugar
Pure vanilla extract
4 pounds of chicken breasts
2 pounds 90/10 ground sirloin
Cat litter
Bag of oranges

Nice knowing you, you just died of diabetes.

 

[Chichikov]

Oh I know that if we put 100,000 troops there and gave it 30 years, we could really change the place. That ain't gonna happen though. So let's stop the charade.

You can't bomb a country into modernity.
Soldiers can only help secure your political and civilian goals you have.
The thing is, we never had any in Afghanistan.

But either way, the last thing that shithole needs is more people with guns.

 

[thefit]

Sorry to rehash page 1 or 2, but I just shopped today for groceries and got:

Frozen peas
Deli ham
4 meat pizza
Tortilla chips
3 green peppers
2 pounds of red onions
1 pound of vidalia onions
Tomatoes on the vine
2 boxes of fruit snacks
2 boxes of penne rigate
Cinnamon toast crunch
A bag of celery
2 boxes of corn muffin mix
Chocolate pudding snak paks
A pound of butter
Multigrain crisp snacks
A bag of string cheese
A gallon of milk
Parmesan cheese
Fruit cocktail dried fruits
2 cans of corn
Can of tuna
Can of ravioli
Peaches in light syrup
Creamed corn
3 cans of green beans
Fruit juice
Grapefruit juice
2 cans of evaporated milk
Box of cereal bars
2 bottles of some v8 juice cocktail knockoff
2 cans diced tomatoes
Canola oil
Black beans
2 cans chicken broth
5 pound bag of sugar
Pure vanilla extract
4 pounds of chicken breasts
2 pounds 90/10 ground sirloin
Cat litter
Bag of oranges


86.58 after tax.

This is a lot of our staples and pantry fill-ins, too. Normally we would buy more produce, but we have a lot left over from last time we went shopping.

To those that said they couldn't imagine someone feeding a family of 3 off of 350 a month should realize I could buy 4 times this stuff to hit 350 and have way more food than we could ever eat in a month.

Have you done the coupon thing at places like Ralphs? My wife blew my mind once when she pulled out here coupon pouch and turn $100.00 of groceries down to like $20.00 I was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUk!

 

[eznark]

Have you done the coupon thing at places like Ralphs? My wife blew my mind once when she pulled out here coupon pouch and turn $100.00 of groceries down to like $20.00 I was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUk!

My wife has a coupon binder. It's nuts.

 

[speculawyer]

Have you done the coupon thing at places like Ralphs? My wife blew my mind once when she pulled out here coupon pouch and turn $100.00 of groceries down to like $20.00 I was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUk!

She's a keeper.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Have you done the coupon thing at places like Ralphs? My wife blew my mind once when she pulled out here coupon pouch and turn $100.00 of groceries down to like $20.00 I was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUk!

My wife is a coupon master. Usually saves somewhere between 40% and 60% off the marked prices. She regularly comes home with random large packages of food that we normally don't eat because of their cost. I ask why she got it, and she's like, it was only $1 between the sale and two coupons. Why not? I'm like, 0_o

My wife has a coupon binder. It's nuts.

Mine, too. Organized into categories. I'm not that organized with...anything.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Nice knowing you, you just died of diabetes.

Love it. Post of the week for me.



And my wife and I just signed up for our local paper again. Just being conscious of deals we saved a lot of money we might have otherwise wasted. Now we will get coupons and see if we can knock this monthly bill down to 300 for groceries.

 

[thefit]

She came home today with a pack of roast beef ready for sandwiches and beer, she's like "It was on sale for $1.00+" and I know its all for me because she and the kids don't eat red meat

 

[RustyNails]

But either way, the last thing that shithole needs is more people with guns.

I'm afraid it's a wee bit late for that (read: arming of Mujahideen)

 

[Kosmo]

Who hurt you, Kosmo? Were you an unfortunate altar boy or something? Your single-minded focus on chickenshit issues speaks to some grave wound in your past. Don't worry, though: we're here for you. We'll get you through this, buddy.

Yes, let's continue to debate the same 100 issues in PoliGAF on which nobody ever changes their view instead.

Or we could talk about how the Obama Admin/State Department totally failed on their "Viagra as a weapon" meme in Libya to try and garner support for that bullshit war. They should have called GHWB and gotten Hill and Knowlton on board if they wanted to do some real "Incubator Baby" type hype to ratchet up support.

 

[Amir0x]

Couponers are definitely scary. My sister does that shit. Spends like 10~15 hours a week collecting coupons and organizing them. But then when she turns $400 worth of groceries into $49.50, I'm all @_O

She's constantly dropping by to give me excess groceries she doesn't need. I got a shit load of Luigi's Ices last week due to this

 

[eznark]

Couponers are definitely scary. My sister does that shit. Spends like 10~15 hours a week collecting coupons and organizing them. But then when she turns $400 worth of groceries into $49.50, I'm all @_O

She's constantly dropping by to give me excess groceries she doesn't need. I got a shit load of Luigi's Ices last week due to this

My wife and her family trade them, they each know what the other person shops for so they are constantly trading them around. She doesn't spend more than an hour a week or so on it (she also isn't saving 75% though, so maybe I should make her put more of an effort in.)

 

[TacticalFox88]

Couponers are ridiculous. My mom has an entire library (literally) of binders with nothing but coupons. And she organizes the shit daily! She once only paid 3.75 for like $500 worth of groceries.


I want to do it....but it's the organization that turns me off. I don't have the patience.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Couponers are ridiculous. My mom has an entire library (literally) of binders with nothing but coupons. And she organizes the shit daily! She once only paid 3.75 for like $500 worth of groceries.


I want to do it....but it's the organization that turns me off. I don't have the patience.

That's my problem. My wife doesn't have the patience to spend hours every week either. But if we see coupons for stuff we actually buy or use, we are definitely clipping that stuff!

 

[jamesinclair]

Lol, remnant is trying to argue that oil has absolutely no impact in propping up economies, and Toxic is trying to spread his "unions kill all economic growth" myth.

I think a week in Berlin, Tokyo and Dubai will put their crazy beliefs to rest.

 

[Jackson50]

Surprised it was this easy. Is this the "you kill Bin Laden" treatment going on?

It is not terribly surprising. He received (near, at least) unanimous support when he was nominated for Director of the CIA. He is the consummate beltway insider. It is more the conventional wisdom treatment. He is not going to significantly diverge from the status quo, and Senators appreciate that.

I accidentally the whole population?

One day. Hopefully, soon.

 

[RustyNails]

I have made it my life's mission to marry a couponer. Really, $100 worth of groceries for around half the price? Madness.

Or we could talk about how the Obama Admin/State Department totally failed on their "Viagra as a weapon" meme in Libya to try and garner support for that bullshit war. They should have called GHWB and gotten Hill and Knowlton on board if they wanted to do some real "Incubator Baby" type hype to ratchet up support.

Well unfortunately, the Obama Admin/State Dept did not claim Gaddafi soldiers were using Viagra and raping people. The claim originated from the rebel soldiers who said the captured Gaddafi soldiers confessed about what's going on. The ICC is currently investigating the claims. As for rape, it's been reported for sure:

As researchers fight among themselves, unconfirmed accounts of sexual violence continue to circulate. Rebel officials said they had discovered condoms and packets of Viagra in tanks and other vehicles captured from Colonel Qaddafi’s soldiers. Many people say they have seen cellphone videos of rapes, though such videos have been hard to locate — because, Colonel Qaddafi’s opponents assert, cellphone users quickly deleted them to protect the women.

CNN, however, did recently broadcast a cellphone video that it said depicted a woman being sexually assaulted by two men using a broomstick, though it was unclear who the rapists were or when the attack occurred.

The victims have also been hard to find. Apart from Eman al-Obeidy, who burst into a hotel full of journalists to say she had been raped by Qaddafi militiamen, few women have spoken out.

“They’re not going to say it publicly,” Mr. Bassiouni said. “They’re not going to destroy their family reputation.” In its report from Libya, Mr. Bassiouni’s team noted that there were also allegations of rapes committed by rebel fighters.

Unlike the Iraq baby incubator story, US' official position on viagra claims is that it lacks evidence.

 

[gcubed]

I love how Kosmo's answer to posting something so stupid and wrong is to disappear for two days and never speak of it again (the white house Libya shit)

 

[scorcho]

I love how Kosmo's answer to posting something so stupid and wrong is to disappear for two days and never speak of it again (the white house Libya shit)

He's just upset that y'all aren't as intellectually curious as him. Stop hatin'

 

[eznark]

I love how Kosmo's answer to posting something so stupid and wrong is to disappear for two days and never speak of it again (the white house Libya shit)

If you weren't brainwashed you would know how right he was

 

[gcubed]

If you weren't brainwashed you would know how right he was

I'm only brainwashed post arrival at work after I've been indoctrinated by sitting on public transportation through Philadelphia

 

[Kosmo]

I love how Kosmo's answer to posting something so stupid and wrong is to disappear for two days and never speak of it again (the white house Libya shit)

Please link me to the post you are looking for a response to. Are you talking about the memo Barack issued claiming 107-40 was part of the justification for going into Libya since he knows he is now in violation of the War Powers Resolution?

 

[gcubed]

Please link me to the post you are looking for a response to. Are you talking about the memo Barack issued claiming 107-40 was part of the justification for going into Libya since he knows he is now in violation of the War Powers Resolution?

Yes, that post, since the memo said nothing like that

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Afghanistan is a lost cause. Whether we 30,000 troops there or 0 troops there it makes no difference.

There are currently around 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. Obama is expected to announce a reduction of 10,000 troops by the end of the year? Is that correct? A whopping 10% reduction. Is this supposed to be a big deal? It's meaningless really.

 

[Plinko]

Sorry to rehash page 1 or 2, but I just shopped today for groceries and got:

Frozen peas
Deli ham
4 meat pizza
Tortilla chips
3 green peppers
2 pounds of red onions
1 pound of vidalia onions
Tomatoes on the vine
2 boxes of fruit snacks
2 boxes of penne rigate
Cinnamon toast crunch
A bag of celery
2 boxes of corn muffin mix
Chocolate pudding snak paks
A pound of butter
Multigrain crisp snacks
A bag of string cheese
A gallon of milk
Parmesan cheese
Fruit cocktail dried fruits
2 cans of corn
Can of tuna
Can of ravioli
Peaches in light syrup
Creamed corn
3 cans of green beans
Fruit juice
Grapefruit juice
2 cans of evaporated milk
Box of cereal bars
2 bottles of some v8 juice cocktail knockoff
2 cans diced tomatoes
Canola oil
Black beans
2 cans chicken broth
5 pound bag of sugar
Pure vanilla extract
4 pounds of chicken breasts
2 pounds 90/10 ground sirloin
Cat litter
Bag of oranges


86.58 after tax.

This is a lot of our staples and pantry fill-ins, too. Normally we would buy more produce, but we have a lot left over from last time we went shopping.

To those that said they couldn't imagine someone feeding a family of 3 off of 350 a month should realize I could buy 4 times this stuff to hit 350 and have way more food than we could ever eat in a month.

Nice.

The only issue I see here is that most people include toiletries/household cleaning in their food/grocery budget. That would include stuff like diapers, wipes, shampoo, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc, and some of that stuff is pretty expensive.

 

[gcubed]

There are currently around 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. Obama is expected to announce a reduction of 10,000 troops by the end of the year? Is that correct? A whopping 10% reduction. Is this supposed to be a big deal? It's meaningless really.

All by 2014 I think, but I agree he should get the surge out by end of year (30k)

 

[Kosmo]

Yes, that post, since the memo said nothing like that

The memo says exactly that in the last paragraph. If he's not using 107-40, he's using the War Powers Resolution, but he doesn't say that because he knows he would be in violation of it at this point.

 

[Manmademan]

Nice.

The only issue I see here is that most people include toiletries/household cleaning in their food/grocery budget. That would include stuff like diapers, wipes, shampoo, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc, and some of that stuff is pretty expensive.

Diapers can be expensive, but it's unlikely you'll need those year in-year out on a consistent basis. Children don't stay infants forever.

Toilet paper can get pricy, but buy generic/buy in bulk and its not that bad, and the less women you have in the house the less you use. (i.e. a family of 2 parents and 2 girls is going to use probably double that of 2 parents and 2 boys.)

Toothpaste is cheap.

Shampoo isn't expensive unless you're going overboard with designer crap.

There's a lot of "junk food" in that list (snack packs, granola bars, fruit snacks, crisp snacks, peaches in syrup, the 4 meat pizza) so one could argue he could cut out a bunch of that without feeling any pain.

 

[gcubed]

The memo says exactly that in the last paragraph. If he's not using 107-40, he's using the War Powers Resolution, but he doesn't say that because he knows he would be in violation of it at this point.

No it did not. That was used in regards to the Afghanistan conflict, not Libya.

 

[Kosmo]

No it did not. That was used in regards to the Afghanistan conflict, not Libya.

Last paragraph:

I have directed the participation of U.S. Armed Forces in all of these operations pursuant to my constitutional and statutory authority as Commander in Chief (including the authority to carry out Public Law 107 40 and other statutes) and as Chief Executive, as well as my statutory and constitutional authority, to conduct the foreign relations of the United States. Officials of my Administration and I communicate regularly with the leadership and other Members of Congress with regard to these deployments, and we will continue to do so.

The initial involvement fell under NATO, and that's fine (I'm not getting into the justification here), but there is simply no authority to stay there under the War Powers Resolution, which is why it's not brought up under the Libya section. So if the WPR is not being used, there must be justification and the only other thing pointed out is 107-40.

 

[eznark]

Nice.

The only issue I see here is that most people include toiletries/household cleaning in their food/grocery budget. That would include stuff like diapers, wipes, shampoo, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc, and some of that stuff is pretty expensive.

Disposables = super, super cheap
wipes = baby-soft wash cloths (super cheap)
shampoo = $.99 White Rain coconut scent is the best shampoo there is!
toothpaste = I have no idea how expensive toothpaste is, but I assume there is cheap stuff
toilet paper = see above

None of that stuff has to be expensive. Yes, it takes more thought to stretch your buck but I think the point being made was that is was possible, not that it was easy, to survive on little income.

 

[gcubed]

Last paragraph:



The initial involvement fell under NATO, and that's fine (I'm not getting into the justification here), but there is simply no authority to stay there under the War Powers Resolution, which is why it's not brought up under the Libya section. So if the WPR is not being used, there must be justification and the only other thing pointed out is 107-40.

JFC comprehension. He cited his use of it (and all other acts) which does not mean he is using that for Libya. You missed entire conversations about NATO resolutions, that others can clarify and have multiple times in this thread in response to you

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Last paragraph:



The initial involvement fell under NATO, and that's fine (I'm not getting into the justification here), but there is simply no authority to stay there under the War Powers Resolution, which is why it's not brought up under the Libya section. So if the WPR is not being used, there must be justification and the only other thing pointed out is 107-40.

Parentheticals, how do they work.

None of that stuff has to be expensive. Yes, it takes more thought to stretch your buck but I think the point being made was that is was possible, not that it was easy, to survive on little income.

And it's harder still in some urban communities. I feel like you guys are glossing over that point pretty determinedly.

 

[Dude Abides]

Last paragraph:



The initial involvement fell under NATO, and that's fine (I'm not getting into the justification here), but there is simply no authority to stay there under the War Powers Resolution, which is why it's not brought up under the Libya section. So if the WPR is not being used, there must be justification and the only other thing pointed out is 107-40.

No.

I have directed the participation of U.S. Armed Forces in all of these operations pursuant to my constitutional and statutory authority as Commander in Chief (including the authority to carry out Public Law 107 40 and other statutes) and as Chief Executive, as well as my statutory and constitutional authority, to conduct the foreign relations of the United States. Officials of my Administration and I communicate regularly with the leadership and other Members of Congress with regard to these deployments, and we will continue to do so.

He's invoking his constitutional AND statutory authority. This is essentially the argument, made sub silentio here, that the WPR is unconstitutional if it infringes on his CiC constitutional authority. As a conservative, you should love this.

 

[eznark]

And it's harder still in some urban communities. I feel like you guys are glossing over that point pretty determinedly.

Well, I only have experience in urban communities in Boston and Milwuakee. In Boston, I feel like it would be incredibly difficult since the city hates big box stores, which limits access to cheap goods for the people who need them most. In Milwaukee, there are Aldi's and Wal-Marts in the worst areas of the city.

And again, yes it's hard, but the claim was that it's impossible, which it isn't.

There is probably some irony in my asking this while discussing the plight of the poor...but who gives a fuck if Newt Gingrich has a $1m Tiffany's line? Why not attack the guy for being a piece of shit instead of for being wealthy?

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Well, I only have experience in urban communities in Boston and Milwuakee. In Boston, I feel like it would be incredibly difficult since the city hates big box stores, which limits access to cheap goods for the people who need them most. In Milwaukee, there are Aldi's and Wal-Marts in the worst areas of the city.

And again, yes it's hard, but the claim was that it's impossible, which it isn't.

There is probably some irony in my asking this while discussing the plight of the poor...but who gives a fuck if Newt Gingrich has a $1m Tiffany's line? Why not attack the guy for being a piece of shit instead of for being wealthy?

I didn't claim it's impossible, but it's definitely much more expensive.

As for Gingrich, I agree with you completely. It's like giving someone shit for having a credit card--completely irrelevant nonsense.