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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags

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Kosmo

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Dude Abides said:
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He's invoking his constitutional AND statutory authority. This is essentially the argument, made sub silentio here, that the WPR is unconstitutional if it infringes on his CiC constitutional authority. As a conservative, you should love this.
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Please link me to that part of the Constitution, because in 2007 he said this: "“The President does not have any power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
 
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eznark

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Listening to this Huntsman announcement. You guys think this guy is a serious contender? lol

Milquetoast is being incredibly kind.
 
Dude Abides

Dude Abides

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Kosmo said:
Please link me to that part of the Constitution, because in 2007 he said this: "“The President does not have any power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
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Art. 2 said:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States
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As for the quote, I'd guess he'd say that the "military attack" was authorized, and now he has sole authority to determine how the hostilities proceed. If that's unsatisfactory to you, congratulations on discovering that politicians sometimes act inconsistently with prior statements!
 
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Clevinger

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Dude Abides said:
politicians sometimes act inconsistently with prior statements!
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whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?



eznark said:
Listening to this Huntsman announcement. You guys think this guy is a serious contender? lol

Milquetoast is being incredibly kind.
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Not this election, but I think he's trying to get second to do the Next In Line thing in 2016. Though I wonder if he'll even manage that, because he just looks like a younger Romney. Why vote for him when you have Romney, and you know Romney?
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Plinko said:
Nice.

The only issue I see here is that most people include toiletries/household cleaning in their food/grocery budget. That would include stuff like diapers, wipes, shampoo, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc, and some of that stuff is pretty expensive.
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We bought most of that stuff last time. We switch off between purchasing that stuff. Even diapers we were able to get 2 boxes worth for free the last time we went because of a pricing error on the store's computers. Anytime that happens, they give you the product free. :)

But this demonstrates, unequivocally that if someone wishes, they can live on much, much, much cheaper than $1000. As eznark said, there is a lot of junk and snacks that the Mrs. and my son eat that I don't touch. if we cut that stuff out, we would save another 100 bucks a month probably. The store I went to is right off of a bus stop, or a mile off the interstate. It is 5 minutes from urban, downtown Omaha. I know, it isn't San Fran or New York, but still.
 
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eznark

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Clevinger said:
Not this election, but I think he's trying to get second to do the Next In Line thing in 2016. Though I wonder if he'll even manage that, because he just looks like a younger Romney. Why vote for him when you have Romney, and you know Romney?
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People that like Huntsman must have never heard him speak. The guy is Mr. Polite. Awful.
 
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Jackson50

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Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
There are currently around 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. Obama is expected to announce a reduction of 10,000 troops by the end of the year? Is that correct? A whopping 10% reduction. Is this supposed to be a big deal? It's meaningless really.
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Lamentably, yes. An immediate withdrawal of 5,000 troops, and another withdrawal of 5,000 troops by the end of 2011. The remaining 20,000 troops added by Obama in 2009 will be withdrawn by the end of 2012 or early 2013. Then, of course, we have the 70,000 troops that preceded his 2009 "surge."

RustyNails said:
Well unfortunately, the Obama Admin/State Dept did not claim Gaddafi soldiers were using Viagra and raping people. The claim originated from the rebel soldiers who said the captured Gaddafi soldiers confessed about what's going on. The ICC is currently investigating the claims. As for rape, it's been reported for sure:

Unlike the Iraq baby incubator story, US' official position on viagra claims is that it lacks evidence.
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That should be our official stance. The assertions are unsubstantiated.
 
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gcubed

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Jackson50 said:
Lamentably, yes. An immediate withdrawal of 5,000 troops, and another withdrawal of 5,000 troops by the end of 2011. The remaining 20,000 troops added by Obama in 2009 will be withdrawn by the end of 2012 or early 2013. Then, of course, we have the 70,000 troops that preceded his 2009 "surge."

That should be our official stance. The assertions are unsubstantiated.
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The surge should go away by the end of 2011, then the rest should roll out by 2014. That would be something I care about hearing. This is just another "we are drawing down and leaving (except the 50,000 that will be there for the next 10 years, but shhh!)"
 
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Invisible_Insane

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gcubed said:
The surge should go away by the end of 2011, then the rest should roll out by 2014. That would be something I care about hearing. This is just another "we are drawing down and leaving (except the 50,000 that will be there for the next 10 years, but shhh!)"
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10K hardly seems worth a primetime announcement.
 
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gcubed

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Invisible_Insane said:
10K hardly seems worth a primetime announcement.
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Agreed, its very yawn worthy (overall, i mean, great for the 10k initially and all 30k that get to come home closer to their families, there are still too many over there)
 
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scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
Invisible_Insane said:
Has he staked out an anti-war position, or is he one of those McCain-Graham "NEVER SURRENDUR" automatons?
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Santorum hasn't touched Afghanistan with a 10-foot poll. He does, however, love waxing on about the Iran-Venezuela axis of evil, and he called Obama a 'paper tiger' WRT Iran's nuclear program.
 
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Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
gcubed said:
JFC comprehension. He cited his use of it (and all other acts) which does not mean he is using that for Libya. You missed entire conversations about NATO resolutions, that others can clarify and have multiple times in this thread in response to you
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I'm pretty sure he did not miss it, he just ignored it.


Kosmo, did you used to post here under a different name? You are starting to sound familiar.
 
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Jackson50

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Invisible_Insane said:
10K hardly seems worth a primetime announcement.
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Of course. Thus, I suspect he will also be delineating his strategy. He will likely announce that we are attempting (praying, really) to facilitate reconciliation by negotiating with the Taliban; this will probably shock many people.
 
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Chichikov

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scorcho said:
Sadly, it will be. I eagerly await Santorum's response to this.
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Maybe the GOP's reflex to oppose anything Obama does will finally yield something positive for this country.
I don't care if we get out of this god forsaken place out of spite, just get the fuck out of there.
 
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Invisible_Insane

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Jackson50 said:
Of course. Thus, I suspect he will also be delineating his strategy. He will likely announce that we are attempting (praying, really) to facilitate reconciliation by negotiating with the Taliban; this will probably shock many people.
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THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.

(Maybe the ISI can take the Taliban's spot on the list.)
 
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Kosmo

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gcubed said:
Agreed, its very yawn worthy (overall, i mean, great for the 10k initially and all 30k that get to come home closer to their families, there are still too many over there)
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I'm sure he'll set a timeline, like 10K by the end of 2011, 30K by the end of 2012 and complete withdrawal by the end of 2014. Personally, I would be like "Peace Karzai, we're fucking out."
 
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Loudninja

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Palin Bus Tour Takes Extended Pit Stop
Less than a month after she appeared poised to shake up the Republican presidential campaign, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has once again receded from the 2012 limelight.
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Though Palin and her staff never announced a timeline for the remaining legs of her trip, aides had drafted preliminary itineraries that would have taken her through the Midwest and Southeast at some point this month. But those travel blueprints are now in limbo, RCP has learned, as Palin and her family have reverted to the friendly confines of summertime Alaska, where the skies are currently alight for over 19 hours a day and the Bristol Bay salmon fishing season is nearing its peak.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...bus_tour_takes_extended_pit_stop__110313.html

Very shocking.
 
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scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
Kosmo said:
The only thing more ridiculous than the idea of Palin running in 2012 is the media's fascination with her.
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odd, isn't it? if i didn't know any better it'd seem that the media is more interested in tawdry theater and entertainment than substantive policy discussions.

that written, the collective love affair with Huntsman's candidacy shows an almost passionate desire among political reporters for a mainstream Republican candidate to present themselves to the public. it's downright refreshing.
 
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Clevinger

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Kosmo said:
I'm sure he'll set a timeline, like 10K by the end of 2011, 30K by the end of 2012 and complete withdrawal by the end of 2014. Personally, I would be like "Peace Karzai, we're fucking out."
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Me, too. Apparently Petraeus is saying even 10k for this year is too aggressive.
 
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Bulbo Urethral Baggins

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Kosmo said:
I'm sure he'll set a timeline, like 10K by the end of 2011, 30K by the end of 2012 and complete withdrawal by the end of 2014. Personally, I would be like "Peace Karzai, we're fucking out."
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I doubt he'll set a date for a complete withdrawal. I'll be pretty surprised if he does. He may drop hints at it though. He has to say something substantive. Even if 30,000 leave by the end of 2012, we'll still have twice as many troops in Afghanistan as when Obama took office. Where's the good news in that?
 
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Clevinger

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Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I doubt he'll set a date for a complete withdrawal. I'll be pretty surprised if he does. He may drop hints at it though.
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I don't think it'd be surprising at all. Biden's already said it. Why can't Obama?
 
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speculawyer

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So Al Gore complimented Romney and dissed Obama. Perhaps he feels that his endorsement is toxic and using it in that manner. Who knows?

Al Gore: Obama has failed to lead on climate

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Former US vice president and environmental activist Al Gore has accused President Barack Obama of failing to lead on climate change, warning that the very survival of civilization was at stake.
In an impassioned essay in Rolling Stone magazine, Gore sympathized with the challenges facing his fellow Democrat and lambasted big business, political donors, the media and Congress for their role on climate change.
Gore credited the administration with moving the United States "slightly" forward on the issue but said Obama "has thus far failed to use the bully pulpit to make the case for bold action on climate change."
"President Obama has never presented to the American people the magnitude of the climate crisis," wrote Gore, who narrowly lost the 2000 presidential election and won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his advocacy on climate change.
"Here is the core of it: we are destroying the climate balance that is essential to the survival of our civilization. This is not a distant or abstract threat; it is happening now," Gore wrote.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110622/sc_afp/uspoliticsclimatewarming_20110622141712
 
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PantherLotus

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worldrunover

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eznark said:
He's just mad that with the country facing real problems we don't have time to fret about his obsession.
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And yet for some reason we're forced to fret about the GOP's obsession with something that has nothing to do with the real problems facing our nation.

The debt.
 
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eznark

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worldrunover said:
And yet for some reason we're forced to fret about the GOP's obsession with something that has nothing to do with the real problems facing our nation.

The debt.
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Who is forcing you?
 
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PhoenixDark

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With the economy still struggling to regain some traction, and with unemployment still hovering over nine percent, a Bloomberg-commissioned poll released Wednesday shows that a plurality of Americans say they're worse off now than they were when George. W. Bush was president.

In the poll, 44% of respondents said they are personally worse off now, while 34% said things were worse when Bush occupied the White House.

Further, citing rising gas prices and a expressing doubts about the ability for the economy to turn around in the near future, 66% said the country was on the wrong track.

Those findings pile on top of a spate of recent surveys that have a painted a gloomy picture of Americans' attitudes about the nation's economic health, and shown widespread pessimism about President Obama's ability to do anything about it. According to the latest TPM Poll Average, just 40% of Americans approve of Obama's job performance when it comes to the economy, compared to 55.8% who disapprove -- and things have been getting markedly worse in the past few months.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...worse-off-under-obama-than-bush.php?ref=fpblg

Yea, Romney is the next president
 
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speculawyer

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worldrunover said:
And yet for some reason we're forced to fret about the GOP's obsession with something that has nothing to do with the real problems facing our nation.

The debt.
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It is really easy to get the GOP to stop fretting about the debt & deficit . . . just elect them. They will instantly forget about it once they are in power.
 
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TacticalFox88

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speculawyer said:
It is really easy to get the GOP to stop fretting about the debt & deficit . . . just elect them. They will instantly forget about it once they are in power.
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But then there's that whole focusing more on social issues and not giving a fuck about anything worthwhile. Rather brilliant of them.
 
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besada

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lo escondido said:
Not a big fan of Matt's but damn at this article. , scary.
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Thanks for posting. I've been waiting for that to come out.

Link for people not on mobile device:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622

I said lunch, not launch! But don't laugh. Don't do it. And don't look her in the eyes; don't let her smile at you. Michele Bachmann, when she turns her head toward the cameras and brandishes her pearls and her ageless, unblemished neckline and her perfect suburban orthodontics in an attempt to reassure the unbeliever of her non-threateningness, is one of the scariest sights in the entire American cultural tableau. She's trying to look like June Cleaver, but she actually looks like the T2 skeleton posing for a passport photo. You will want to laugh, but don't, because the secret of Bachmann's success is that every time you laugh at her, she gets stronger.
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Snickering readers in New York or Los Angeles might be tempted by all of this to conclude that Bachmann is uniquely crazy. But in fact, such tales by Bachmann work precisely because there are a great many people in America just like Bachmann, people who believe that God tells them what condiments to put on their hamburgers, who can't tell the difference between Soviet Communism and a Stafford loan, but can certainly tell the difference between being mocked and being taken seriously. When you laugh at Michele Bachmann for going on MSNBC and blurting out that the moon is made of red communist cheese, these people don't learn that she is wrong. What they learn is that you're a dick, that they hate you more than ever, and that they're even more determined now to support anyone who promises not to laugh at their own visions and fantasies.
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