Mortrialus
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besada said:
Wasn't Ryan actually voted the most disliked member of congress not too long ago?
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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags
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Wasn't Ryan actually voted the most disliked member of congress not too long ago?
Mortrialus
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besada said:
Speaking of ideology, I to this day do not understand the mental gymnastics Christian rightwingers do to rationalize the absolutely opposing natures of Christianity and Ayn Rand's Objectivism.
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No mental gymnastics necessary: just a fundamental misunderstanding of both on their parts.Mortrialus said:
It seems like right wing christiains focus on the isolated details and stories of the bible that were products of their times rather than the less context-sensitive overall messages. They have lost sight of helping the poor and loving their neighbor because they're too focussed on short 1-sentence passages and verses. These same lessons pervade all the abrahamic religions, and every one of them has their fair share of nuts :/Mortrialus said:
Speaking of Molly Ivins and Governor Goodhair:
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/08/13/3834794/molly-cant-say-that-about-rick.html
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/08/13/3834794/molly-cant-say-that-about-rick.html
Mortrialus
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ToxicAdam said:
That didn't address what I stated at all. The contents of the Bible are diametrically opposed to what is preached by Ayn Rand.
Byakuya769
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Mortrialus said:
What TA said does provide really good context as to how Ayn Rand's philosophical musings are so appealing to many evangelicals, though.
GaimeGuy said:
It's abortion and gay marriage. Those are the calling cards....Moral Majority & all that. Talk to any Culture Warrior and those 2 issues are quick to come up.
But let's not forget how the Civil Rights Act cemented many (most?) Christian conservatives support for the GOP either.
Mortrialus said:
The contents of the Bible are often diametrically opposed to itself.
It can empower people to travel 1000 miles to help people in Haiti, yet scream slurs at their gay neighbor next door. It's all up to the individual (and more importantly, the group of individuals that make up a congregation) to determine what they want to believe 'the Word' tells them.
You're making a pretty vague point. Now, if you wanted to be more direct and say 'Glen Beck is a hypocritical asshole because he celebrates and promotes the ideas of Ayn Rand while being a practicing Christian in his private life." Then that's where I can agree with you.
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ToxicAdam said:
That is very true. I'm just wondering what kind of mental gymnastics Republicans like Paul Ryan do to rationalize that these two ideologies are fundamentally opposed.
I'm an atheist here. The Bible is often jokingly referred to as the "Big book of multiple choice" because it often has wildly different positions on a variety of issues within the book itself.
Despite the fact that I don't find the Bible divine, morally enlightened, or even good literature, I also have the same feelings about Ayn Rand's works. And yet the central teachings of Jesus as told in the Bible are diametrically opposed to Ayn Rand's work. One cannot practice both.
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empty vessel said:
Most of us don't want that responsibility though.
RustyNails
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I think it's too narrow. I thought we were approaching this within the spectrum of political parties. Like I said earlier, the interface for this website should be flawless. Unfortunately, I'm nowhere good at it. But my brother is a web designer, so if anyone needs help with php or flash skillz, let me know so I can pass it on to him.A Human Becoming said:
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RustyNails said:
Awesome and yes agreed. Send your email to Puddles and he will add you to the list.
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Meus Renaissance
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ToxicAdam said:
No one noticed the pointed finger being placed on the guy's chest? That's an act of aggression that I do not take too kindly. He should have slapped it out of his chest. The fuck is that about
mckmas8808
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Snaku said:
Actually journalists have been killing Perry already.
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Meus Renaissance said:
Perry didn't place his finger on the student's chest did he? I can't see the video from work.
Fake Edit: Okay looks like he did. WHOA! I can see this making the news sometime this week if it gets watched alot on the internet.
beseda was Perry always like this? Or is the national spotlight too big for him and he's doing and saying things slightly out of character?
Invisible_Insane
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After listening to some Obama and Perry, it's clear that if I aspire to national office, I need to learn to pronounce the word "doesn't" with two 'd's.
speculawyer
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Yeah, ignoring his political views . . . the guy really comes across as an arrogant asshole. The Fed chief is treasonous? Trying piss all over the other GOP candidates by announcing on the day of their debate. Poking that kid. The feud with the Bushies over I don't even know what.unomas said:
He seems to be a turbo douchebag. Of course that will score him many points with the red-meat base but probably would not be very helpful in a general election.
Jonathan Alter says Chris Christie is now focus testing for a possible presidential run.
I'm not sure the Republican race has room for another aggressive asshole.
I'm not sure the Republican race has room for another aggressive asshole.
Yeah, me too. I figured he'd just do his swagger thing, not go full-flown Yosemite Sam.gcubed said:
It really scares me how much I find myself siding with Ron Paul again. Really I think he and I agree on a majority of things, but when I disagree with his stance it's because I find his stance just so dumb.
"We need to end wars and foreign aid!" -YAY!
"We need to cut spending including large defense cuts." - YAY!
"Corporations are not people." - YAY!
"Businesses need less regulation." ----Uh...well I guess in certain cases I could agree with that
"The way to fix the healthcare crisis is more free market involvement." --WAT
"We need to end wars and foreign aid!" -YAY!
"We need to cut spending including large defense cuts." - YAY!
"Corporations are not people." - YAY!
"Businesses need less regulation." ----Uh...well I guess in certain cases I could agree with that
"The way to fix the healthcare crisis is more free market involvement." --WAT
Dan said:
yet another entry from someone whos state hates him. Maybe Rick Scott can run too
ronito said:
i can agree wtih 95% of Ron Pauls stances, but the 5% i disagree with outweigh the 95% 10 times over... that and i think its a worthless vote since he has absolutely no help in the senate or house, so he will be a 4 year lame duck president who can't do anything because both sides don't agree with him
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ronito said:
I'm in your boat too. Even though I disagree with him on some key issues, he seems like a genuine guy who stands by his principles, not a phony whose agenda revolves around being elected.
ronito said:
I understand where you're coming from, I don't agree with everything that Ron Paul says, but I do agree that these wars need to end, and no other candidate seems to actually want to do that. The things that I do agree with him on are big enough that he will get my vote, and unlike the other cookie cutter politicians the guy actually seems sincere about what he's saying, and his stances on these things haven't changed. I also love that fact that he wants to challenge the Federal Reserve, people in this country are getting fed up, and they should be. Yahoo article on the media blackout of Ron Paul below with the John Stewart video in there as well.
IMO people are too caught up on abortion and other "party" issues, and if people keep bickering about those issues they won't get to other issues that are equally or more important right now. People just need to find a candidate and not a "party" that can help this country. This left right BS has us so divided that we can't get anything done.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline...presidential-campaign-unfairly-190149609.html
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I don't think NJ hates Chris Christie, he's at like 43%.gcubed said:
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Dan said:
He wouldn't carry his own state in 2012. Still, if anything this shows republicans know Obama is very vulnerable.
cooljeanius
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Jonathan Alter's son Tommy was my one of my roommates freshman year. I remember Mr. Alter came by DC one time and took Tommy and I out to lunch... he's a pretty cool guy and I respect what he has to say.Dan said:
I love that article headlineunomas said:
"Is the media treating Ron Paul unfairly?"
Well, no freaking duh!
But I do disagree that it's just on party issues. To me the good that Ron Paul could do (even if he got congress to work with him. HA!) is vastly outweighed by the harm he could do.
ronito said:
Agreed, the good he could do versus what we've had in the last 11 years far outweighs the bad that would come from it. We need someone genuine, that's not a typical politician, who will tell you what you want to hear to get elected, and then deliver the opposite. Ron Paul 2012
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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gcubed said:
How is this worse than a guy running for a second term whose country "dislikes" him?
39%
Mortrialus
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unomas said:
I don't know about that:
"Christmas in Secular America", Paul wrote, "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal governments hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life. The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nations history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the peoples allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before putting their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nations Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war."
Just FYI, for a guy who goes on an on about the constitution, it appears he has never read it because the constitution doesn't mention God a single time. He also appears to have not read much of the founding fathers private writings because many of them including Thomas Jefferson, absolutely loathed Christian theology.
"In 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed "any claim involving the laws, regulations, or policies of any State or unit of local government relating to the free exercise or establishment of religion" from the jurisdiction of federal courts. If made law, this provision would purportedly permit state, county, and local governments to decide whether to allow displays of religious text and imagery and whether to ban atheists from public office, but would not interfere with the application of relevant federal law."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
I would not put it past Ron Paul to say "States rights" if a state like, say, Texas decided to make it punishable by death to be an atheist. No thanks.
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gcubed said:
Over Romney or even Perry? I doubt that. Although Perry's gaffes and sheer stupidity is making me reconsider that position
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
Because the general majority does not like any of the GOP candidates any better
Obama could be beat by the right GOP nominee, not any of them is that person
and LOL at the people touting Romney, really you think "this" time its going to be different? If Sarah Palin is already nailing his ass to the wall for avoiding the debt ceiling issue what happens when its just him and he can't hide behind others making the first move...or he has to answer for all the stuff he did as gov that apparently is totally wrong and immoral now
PhoenixDark said:
he's still up in some of them, not over the 50% threshold. He polls better against Perry then he does against Romney, and this is without the mouth diarrhea of Perry the last few days. You also have to remember that an incumbent doesnt get his campaigning boost this early. You have the entire GOP field going state to state destroying him.
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