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[Chichikov]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_new...rry-offers-outline-of-foreign-policy-platform

Has this been posted yet? In THEORY it sounds fine and normal, but that was what Bush did too..........

What I find most noteworthy there is that in 2011 people still believe that the Vietnam war was lost because leaders in Washington didn't have the will to win.

Other than that it sounds like generic non-committal early primary talk to me.
Nothing to get worked over either way.

 

[Jackson50]

The GOP's jobs plan sounds horrendous.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...nviro-labor-rules----and-tax-cuts.php?ref=fpb

Cantor Jobs Memo Calls For Repeal Of Health, Environment, Labor Rules — And For More Tax Cuts

That is essentially what they campaigned on: 1) repeal the PPACA; 2) repeal Dodd-Frank; 3) kill cap and trade; 4) tax cuts. Obviously, cap and trade was included to remind everyone of the evils of regulation. Otherwise, that legislation was DOA.

Has this been posted? Cause it's quite delicious:



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...-over-Social-Security-and-Medicare?via=blog_1

He would be expropriating Obama's optimal campaign strategy. Shrewd. I suppose that signifies its attractiveness.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_new...rry-offers-outline-of-foreign-policy-platform

Has this been posted yet? In THEORY it sounds fine and normal, but that was what Bush did too..........

"We must renew our commitment to taking the fight to the enemy wherever they are, before they strike at home. I do not believe that America should fall subject to a foreign policy of military adventurism," he said at the annual convention of Veterans of Foreign Wars in San Antonio.

Ugh.

 

[Plinko]

Texas Gov. Rick Perry offered the broad outlines of his foreign policy philosophy at an annual gathering of veterans Monday, telling attendees that he opposes "military adventurism" while also advocating for "taking the fight to the enemy" and decrying indecision by "multi-lateral debating societies" at times of international crisis.

This is like a weatherman telling you that it could be sunny, cloudy, rainy, or snowy. He said absolutely nothing here.

 

[Piecake]

This is like a weatherman telling you that it could be sunny, cloudy, rainy, or snowy. He said absolutely nothing here.

Well, he did say one thing, and that is if we get in a war with Rick Perry as our President, we will doing it alone, like real men, since a real, tough awesome country like the US doesnt need no stinking namby pamby allies who don't do much of anything anyways.

USA USA USA!!

 

[ToxicAdam]

Jon Huntsman, looking for a way back in the GOP primary, lands the endorsement of South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson.

"It does no good to be a conservative if you can't sell a conservative message in a general election," Wilson said at the press conference.

Look at that SC AG spitting truth. Huntsman's going to get 3 percent in SC now.

lol

 

[Clevinger]

Look at that SC AG spitting truth. Huntsman's going to get 3 percent in SC now.

"It does no good to be a conservative if you can't sell a conservative message in a general election," Wilson said at the press conference.

lol

Hah. He should have endorsed Romney, then.

 

[Chichikov]

This is like a weatherman telling you that it could be sunny, cloudy, rainy, or snowy. He said absolutely nothing here.

Which is pretty much the goal at this point of the campaign -
Don't be on the record on anything that can come back and bite you in the ass.

 

[PhoenixDark]

CNN's latest poll

Rick Perry: 32 (18)
Mitt Romney: 18 (23)
Michele Bachmann: 12 (9)
Newt Gingrich: 7 (8)
Ron Paul: 6 (14)
Herman Cain: 3 (5)
Gary Johnson: 2 (n/a)
Jon Huntsman: 1 (5)
Rick Santorum: 1 (2)
Thad McCotter: 1 (n/a)
(MoE: ±4.7%)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/29/130.poll.pdf

ouch

 

[Clevinger]

Jeez. Not only being trounced by Perry, but having Bachmann on his tail.

edit: And lol @ Huntsman being beaten by Johnson.

 

[mj1108]

This is like a weatherman telling you that it could be sunny, cloudy, rainy, or snowy. He said absolutely nothing here.

Actually what it sounds like is him saying "If elected, I'm going to find us a war to get into".

 

[Plinko]

CNN's latest poll

Rick Perry: 32 (18)
Mitt Romney: 18 (23)
Michele Bachmann: 12 (9)
Newt Gingrich: 7 (8)
Ron Paul: 6 (14)
Herman Cain: 3 (5)
Gary Johnson: 2 (n/a)
Jon Huntsman: 1 (5)
Rick Santorum: 1 (2)
Thad McCotter: 1 (n/a)
(MoE: ±4.7%)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/29/130.poll.pdf

ouch

Still stunned that Gingrich has 7%. That's insanity.

I still think Romney comes back to take this. WAY too early and nobody has taken public shots at Perry yet.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I was feeling out my tea party co-worker today about how he felt about Perry. He called him unelectable. I nearly fell out of my chair!

He's still holding out for Chris Christie to get in the race. He feels he would be a shoo-in with the current field.

 

[Incognito]

I was feeling out my tea party co-worker today about how he felt about Perry. He called him unelectable. I nearly fell out of my chair!

good shit. and i was wondering why the VFW post down the road from me was so crowded today; now i know!

 

[TacticalFox88]

So...Perry has this nomination in the bag. We can stop speculating.

 

[thekad]

So...Perry has this nomination in the bag. We can stop speculating.

lol

 

[RustyNails]

So...Perry has this nomination in the bag. We can stop speculating.

Did you see eznark's head explode? If not, then no, Perry does not have this in the bag.

 

[PhoenixDark]

If Romney truly goes nuclear on social security against Perry, I think he'll retaliate with some Mormon baiting. The south is going to go for Perry, so the fight will be about the rest of the country imo. I think we're going to see a lot of culture/social wars going on, not only on religion but abortion, with Romney's past positions being called into question.

The next debate is going to be amazing.

 

[Kusagari]

CNN's latest poll

Rick Perry: 32 (18)
Mitt Romney: 18 (23)
Michele Bachmann: 12 (9)
Newt Gingrich: 7 (8)
Ron Paul: 6 (14)
Herman Cain: 3 (5)
Gary Johnson: 2 (n/a)
Jon Huntsman: 1 (5)
Rick Santorum: 1 (2)
Thad McCotter: 1 (n/a)
(MoE: ±4.7%)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/29/130.poll.pdf

ouch

lmao at Ron Paul having the biggest drop. Did all his fanboys go for Perry?

 

[ToxicAdam]

Romney would make a big mistake to overplay his hand so soon. No need to get nasty until right before Super Tuesday. Keep letting Perry say dumb things and the left-wing media drive his negatives up. Being a front-runner this early in the process is not really a good thing, to be honest.


If my tea party co-worker already thinks Perry is a loose cannon, wait until the rest of America finds out.

 

[Jackson50]

Well, he did say one thing, and that is if we get in a war with Rick Perry as our President, we will doing it alone, like real men, since a real, tough awesome country like the US doesnt need no stinking namby pamby allies who don't do much of anything anyways.

USA USA USA!!

Of course. The primary difference between liberal interventionists and neoconservatives is multilateralism. Neoconservatives loathe it; liberal interventionists view it as a means to legitimize American interests.

This is like a weatherman telling you that it could be sunny, cloudy, rainy, or snowy. He said absolutely nothing here.

Indeed, that speech was not particularly lucid. Otherwise, his choice of advisers presages his foreign policy. And, well, I hope this man never inhabits the White House.

lmao at Ron Paul having the biggest drop. Did all his fanboys go for Perry?

It is because the media is ignoring him. Or so Ron Paul supporters think.

 

[empty vessel]

lmao at Ron Paul having the biggest drop. Did all his fanboys go for Perry?

As it turns out, many of Paul's supporters are actually authoritarian Texans. Who'd've thought?

Yeah, I used a double contraction.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

As it turns out, many of Paul's supporters are actually authoritarian Texans. Who'd've thought?

Yeah, I used a double contraction.

Innat supposed't be, "who'd'a thunk?"

As long as we're talking Texas.

 

[empty vessel]

Innat supposed't be, "who'd'a thunk?"

As long as we're talking Texas.

Yeah; I Yankeed it.

 

[speculawyer]

Romney would make a big mistake to overplay his hand so soon. No need to get nasty until right before Super Tuesday. Keep letting Perry say dumb things and the left-wing media drive his negatives up. Being a front-runner this early in the process is not really a good thing, to be honest.


If my tea party co-worker already thinks Perry is a loose cannon, wait until the rest of America finds out.

Yeah, Perry seems like the kind of guy that could implode. He's probably going say some dumbass thing that would go over fine in Texas but will make him look ridiculous to the rest of the country.

 

[state-of-the-art]

Apparently the undredacted versions of the State Department cables are now making rounds on the internet.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,783084,00.html

A WikiLeaks file containing the original leaked US State Department cables has inadvertently been released onto the Internet. The documents have not been edited to protect sources, meaning that the lives of informants could be at risk.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Romney would make a big mistake to overplay his hand so soon. No need to get nasty until right before Super Tuesday. Keep letting Perry say dumb things and the left-wing media drive his negatives up. Being a front-runner this early in the process is not really a good thing, to be honest.

I think Romney is pretty savvy to play McCain's 'last man standing' approach to the primary. He's just laying low while everyone else tries to out crazy one another, and then step up his game amidst the wreckage.

Unfortunately, the base loves crazy this cycle. I'm not sure it will work.

 

[Diablos]

I think Romney is pretty savvy to play McCain's 'last man standing' approach to the primary. He's just laying low while everyone else tries to out crazy one another, and then step up his game amidst the wreckage.

Unfortunately, the base loves crazy this cycle. I'm not sure it will work.

You mean fortunately.

Obama could beat Perry. He cannot beat Romney. Well, he could, but it would be the most challenging scenario.

 

[GhaleonEB]

You mean fortunately.

Obama could beat Perry. He cannot beat Romney.

I meant, unfortunately for Romney. Obama's chances are much slimmer the less crazy the candidate.

 

[AlteredBeast]

I will not vote for Perry. I wouldn't vote for Obama, either, but I would still go to the ballots for other elections. Not for Perry, though. I do not need scuzz like that in the White House with any help from me.

 

[Diablos]

I will not vote for Perry. I wouldn't vote for Obama, either, but I would still go to the ballots for other elections. Not for Perry, though. I do not need scuzz like that in the White House with any help from me.

So who would you vote for?

I meant, unfortunately for Romney. Obama's chances are much slimmer the less crazy the candidate.

Yep. Obama looks crazy depressed though. I swear, he looks older every time I see him.

 

[AlteredBeast]

So who would you vote for?


Yep. Obama looks crazy depressed though. I swear, he looks older every time I see him.

Nobody in the presidential election.

Obama is definitely looking like the last three years have worn on him considerably.

 

[Diablos]

The youthful look is gone. Totally. I can't remember the last President that aged this quickly. Clinton and Bush aged, but not to that extent in their first four years.

One in four Democrats want Obama to ragequit:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexami...fidential/one-four-democrats-wants-dump-obama

Try to avoid the comments...

 

[Dan]

You mean fortunately.

Obama could beat Perry. He cannot beat Romney. Well, he could, but it would be the most challenging scenario.

I'm hoping it gets vicious between Romney and Perry, like with Obama and Clinton except with significant policy differences and personal attacks.

 

[Diablos]

I just hope the Tea Party:

a. Nominates a complete loon that can't win in the general even if unemployment was at 20%
b. Employs the Preot Method and divides the conservative vote leaving Romney (and the Tea Party candidate) in the dust

Obama at this point needs to depend on the Tea Party unknowingly trolling their own Presidential hopes into oblivion.

 

[TacticalFox88]

The youthful look is gone. Totally. I can't remember the last President that aged this quickly. Clinton and Bush aged, but not to that extent in their first four years.

One in four Democrats want Obama to ragequit:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexami...fidential/one-four-democrats-wants-dump-obama

Try to avoid the comments...

I read the comments. Dear god, the sheer stupidity of some people

 

[Averon]

Comments sections on news/political sites and blogs have always been a garbage dump.

 

[Puddles]

Nominating ex-lobbyists for important positions, supporting moneyed interests over progressive interests, and generally being a spineless shadow of his campaign incarnation may get him some fundraising dollars, but if 27% of Democrats want to run a primary opponent against him, he may have already lost.

To be honest, I can't say that I'm not among that 27%. If the alternative is someone like Perry or Bachmann, I'll vote Obama. But more and more I feel like four years of Romney isn't an intolerable price to pay to send the message that if you deviate THIS hard from your campaign promises and anger your base THIS much, you will lose the next election.

 

[Clevinger]

But more and more I feel like four years of Romney isn't an intolerable price to pay to send the message that if you deviate THIS hard from your campaign promises and anger your base THIS much, you will lose the next election.

I want to believe that, but I wonder if that's really worth even more conservative Supreme Court Justices. I don't know which one is worth more.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

When is Obama's job speech scheduled for?

 

[SomeDude]

Obama's libya madness and debt deal has sunken his approval.

 

[LosDaddie]

CNN's latest poll

Rick Perry: 32 (18)
Mitt Romney: 18 (23)
Michele Bachmann: 12 (9)
Newt Gingrich: 7 (8)
Ron Paul: 6 (14)
Herman Cain: 3 (5)
Gary Johnson: 2 (n/a)
Jon Huntsman: 1 (5)
Rick Santorum: 1 (2)
Thad McCotter: 1 (n/a)
(MoE: ±4.7%)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/29/130.poll.pdf

ouch

No surprise. I said months before Perry jumped in that he would coast to the nom if he ran. The base loves him, and he will have no problems rasing funds. Romney only had his wealth, and the Repub primary structure, on his side. The base was never thrilled with him. And it wouldn't surpise me if Bachmann catches up to Romney soon.

 

[eznark]

Did you see eznark's head explode? If not, then no, Perry does not have this in the bag.

Why would my head explode? I called Perry winning the nomination the second he entered.

Un-sourced fun rumor time: supposedly a liberal Wisconsin SC Justice will be stepping down soon, giving the conservatives (assuming Walker appoints a conservative...duh) a 5-2 majority.

 

[Dude Abides]

Obama's libya madness and debt deal has sunken his approval.

I think you meant to say health care bill and terrible economy.

Secession never.

 

[YoungHav]

I am writing in Malcolm X or Dr. King next election just to spite Obama.

 

[RustyNails]

Why would my head explode? I called Perry winning the nomination the second he entered.

Sorry, I meant TA.

 

[gcubed]

You mean fortunately.

Obama could beat Perry. He cannot beat Romney. Well, he could, but it would be the most challenging scenario.

he can beat Romney, it'd be just that much harder. There is over a year until the election, if the economy recovers, even slowly but consistently, no one will beat him.

 

[Mike M]

he can beat Romney, it'd be just that much harder. There is over a year until the election, if the economy recovers, even slowly but consistently, no one will beat him.

Even if the economy improves, all it takes is for the right to just say it's NOT improving enough times, and people will believe them (I.e. they're still calling HCR a "government takeover of medicine" when it can in no way be described as such, and they never get called on it at all.)

 

[ToxicAdam]

Sorry, I meant TA.

Yea, I think it's a bit premature to call the race for Perry. I think people are underestimating the effect the 'old guard' conservatives and liberal media can have on tearing down a candidate they despise. You look at what happened to Palin after the 2008 election and a similar thing is about to happen to Perry. The effects just don't take place overnight, it's a slow drip.


--- /// ---


Consumer confidence now as low as it was in April 2009.

Link

 

[gcubed]

Even if the economy improves, all it takes is for the right to just say it's NOT improving enough times, and people will believe them (I.e. they're still calling HCR a "government takeover of medicine" when it can in no way be described as such, and they never get called on it at all.)

you are being a little too pessimistic. For the most part, the people that will vote between R and D don't get as taken in with the mythical soundbite machine as people think.

Swing voters mindset...
Is my situation improving? Yes? Keep the guy in office

 

[PhoenixDark]

The youthful look is gone. Totally. I can't remember the last President that aged this quickly. Clinton and Bush aged, but not to that extent in their first four years.

One in four Democrats want Obama to ragequit:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexami...fidential/one-four-democrats-wants-dump-obama

Try to avoid the comments...

To be fair, only about 54% of democrats wanted to re-nominate Clinton at this point in his first term