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werks

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The best part of the whole Bain thing is Romney had the conservative "high ground" on it and gave it away because he is so spineless. All he had to say from the onset of the campaign was to say that capitalism is not always pretty and while Bain had to liquidate some companies and layoff some people, they turned a lot of companies around and created jobs. Conservatives would have rallied around him and any attack on Bain would have been an attack on capitalism. But instead he tried to weasel out of any responsibility for layoffs and outsourcing while at the same time get credit for job creation at Bain.

Obama didn't need to define Romney. Romney did all the damage when he tried to distance himself from post 1999 Bain, indicating that the company did something he wasn't proud of. Romney owned Bain, doesn't matter if he was a figurehead CEO or not, his bank account got stuffed by the company and he owns everything the company did.

Now Romney is boxed in. Can't run on his governor record because of Obamacare, only partly wants to run on his record with Bain, which won't work & Bain is the constant reminder of the elephant in the room... his tax records. Because he didn't fully embrace his business record from the get go, every new damaging allegation will bring up new demands to see his taxes... and he knows that releasing his taxes will do the most damage yet.

Watch Obama win while running on healthcare, killing Osama, LGBT rights, getting rid of Bush tax cuts for the rich. And watch Romney lose, because he can't even stand up for the company he owned, because he isn't running on anything, because he is spineless.

Romney might be rich, white and "American" but he isn't a winner. He can't stand up for himself, he is a wimp and he certainly isn't president materiel.
Obama might be a Kenyan, marxist muslim but he killed Osama, stood by ACA against all odds and won. He is a winner and he certainly will be the president for the second term.
 
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RustyNails

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airmangataosenai said:
Posted yet?

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romneys-bain-years-new-evidence-same-conclusion/

Basically it says "We aren't changing our mind because we trust Romney. Why would he lie to us!?"
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Yep.
It's pathetic how they're trying so desperately to be independent, that they lost sight of what truth actually is. I call it the politifact effect. They're using terms like "perhaps" or "it could mean/it might mean", and speculating conclusions. Not once does the article explain Mitt's CEO title, his sworn testimony about his activities in Bain capital, or his oversight of Lifelike Dolls Co.
 
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Ether_Snake

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Anyone thinks Ron Reagan will run for the presidency as a Democrat before 2020?:p

I think he would seriously have a chance. Much like Kennedy Jr. would have had (can you imagine if Kennedy ran in 2000 and won? I'd love to see the alternate reality of that). People love sequels and reboots!
 
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PhoenixDark

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Aaron Strife said:
Of course you do.

But if the Bain attacks stick, do you think an opportunistic CEO who either (a) did nothing and collected a six-digit salary or (b) invested in companies that outsourced jobs or (c) profited off of companies' failures or (d) all of the above, is going to look like that much better of an alternative? Yes, the election is a referendum on the president, but America isn't going to replace a turd with a big pile of shit.

And that's assuming the economy does get worse.

I know you often accuse Obama of not being able to run on his record, but if you take away Bain Capital and his tenure as governor (his signature achievement being Protobamacare), what the hell does Romney have?
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I don't think this will be an issue in September tbh. If we're still stuck at 8.2 UE and averaging 80k jobs a month by then, Romney wins regardless.

But right now things look horrible for him. I wonder when he'll give another interview because he really dodged a piano today: no one asked about the testimony he gave in 2002 where he said he attended Bain business meetings in 99-02
 
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Aaron Strife

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PhoenixDark said:
I don't think this will be an issue in September tbh. If we're still stuck at 8.2 UE and averaging 80k jobs a month by then, Romney wins regardless.

But right now things look horrible for him. I wonder when he'll give another interview because he really dodged a piano today: no one asked about the testimony he gave in 2002 where he said he attended Bain business meetings in 99-02
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The thing is that yes, if this were purely a referendum on Obama's economic record, he'd most likely be on the losing end of that. He does have strengths elsewhere (foreign and social policy) but the economy is the big one this year.

However, the option isn't Obama or Not Obama, it's Obama or Mitt Romney. And Romney's a deeply flawed candidate. If this is a contest to be the lesser of the two evils, Obama's got this one in the bag. It's not even that Romney was ever CEO of Bain Capital, it's the fact that he lied about it that's his undoing. Just like his refusal to release his tax returns. McCain's campaign saw his tax returns from the last 24 years and chose Palin instead. C'mon.

The country is polarized enough that Romney's floor is still probably 45% or so, so it's not like he's going to be blown out of the water, but this is going to stick and Obama will hammer it hard in the debates. And if the economy starts improving at all he is hopelessly and utterly fucked.
 
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pigeon

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PhoenixDark said:
I don't think this will be an issue in September tbh. If we're still stuck at 8.2 UE and averaging 80k jobs a month by then, Romney wins regardless.
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The first Swift Boat Veterans for Truth press conference was held in May. The first ads came out at the beginning of August.

Some stories have a way of sticking around.
 
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RustyNails

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AlteredBeast said:
Anybody who thought he had a chance was only fooling himself. I have been saying that from the start and I continue to do so. I thought he looked very competent in 2008 and thought he was much better than McCain, but he has gone full retard in the last year.
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Wanna know something funny? Everyone on this board felt exactly the same about McCain 2000.
 
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Mario

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Aaron Strife said:
The thing is that yes, if this were purely a referendum on Obama's economic record, he'd most likely be on the losing end of that. He does have strengths elsewhere (foreign and social policy) but the economy is the big one this year.

However, the option isn't Obama or Not Obama, it's Obama or Mitt Romney. And Romney's a deeply flawed candidate. If this is a contest to be the lesser of the two evils, Obama's got this one in the bag. It's not even that Romney was ever CEO of Bain Capital, it's the fact that he lied about it that's his undoing. Just like his refusal to release his tax returns. McCain's campaign saw his tax returns from the last 24 years and chose Palin instead. C'mon.

The country is polarized enough that Romney's floor is still probably 45% or so, so it's not like he's going to be blown out of the water, but this is going to stick and Obama will hammer it hard in the debates. And if the economy starts improving at all he is hopelessly and utterly fucked.
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While there will be those on the right who would never vote for Obama, does this current situation potentially disenfranchise some voters on the right to the point where they wouldn't turn up on polling day?

While the GOP has managed to do a great job of convincing lower and middle income conservatives that it is in their best interests to allow unrestricted capitalism, abolish unions, and lower taxes on the rich, in the last few days Romney seemingly took a step closer to aligning himself with the unrepentant, unpunished "architects" of the GFC (at least in the sense of receiving all the benefits and shedding all responsibility of being a top flight executive).

Are there those on the right who had to date swallowed his Mormonism and dealt with his inability to relate to the common man, but who are now throwing up their hands with a view he is just another "fat cat" who doesn't care and putting their efforts into metaphorically "finishing their bomb shelter and stocking up on ammo" rather than supporting Romney?

I guess I'm asking, is there a growing "fuck both these guys" contingent in the population?
 
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The Chosen One

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werks said:
Obama didn't need to define Romney. Romney did all the damage when he tried to distance himself from post 1999 Bain, indicating that the company did something he wasn't proud of. Romney owned Bain, doesn't matter if he was a figurehead CEO or not, his bank account got stuffed by the company and he owns everything the company did.

Now Romney is boxed in. Can't run on his governor record because of Obamacare, only partly wants to run on his record with Bain, which won't work & Bain is the constant reminder of the elephant in the room... his tax records. Because he didn't fully embrace his business record from the get go, every new damaging allegation will bring up new demands to see his taxes... and he knows that releasing his taxes will do the most damage yet.
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Yeah, that's pretty much where Romney phucked up. He should have just embraced Bain including all the layoffs and outsourcing and said, "That's capitalism for Pete's sake!"

But he and his campaign got skittish and tried to slice and carve out the good accomplishments from Bain while attempting to discard the undesirable elements. The problem is it's pretty hard to do this when you're technically still the CEO, President, Director, and Owner of the company. As you said, he's stuck in a box of his own making and handed the Obama campaign a midsummer's treat on their doorstep.

I think the only way out now for Mittens is to completely come clean with everything, release tax returns and everything. Take the hit now and hope the fickle attention span of the American public will be focused on other things by October.

Can't even call this a swift-boating though. Okay maybe you can in terms of turning your opponents strength into a weakness. But the swift boat campaign was external group attacking Kerry who was very slow to respond until it was too late. This Bain Drain is half self-inflicted by the Romney campaign with the press steadily uncovering further details with Romney campaign bumbling each response. Most of things could have been avoided if Romney was running a competent campaign and actually stood for something. But since Romney stands for nothing, he gets twisted in the wind into a pretzel so easily.
 
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Oblivion

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Wow, all the Romney hacks (including Romney himself, apparently) on T.V. today haven't even TRIED to defend the reports on Romney's involvement. They're all attacking Obama for "distracting" with an issue that "no one cares about"

Must mean there's a lot more to this story.
 
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Zen

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Oblivion said:
Wow, all the Romney hacks (including Romney himself, apparently) on T.V. today haven't even TRIED to defend the new reports on Romney's involvement. They're all attacking Obama for "distracting" with an issue that "no one cares about".

Must mean there's a lot more to this story.
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What are the new ones?
 
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TomServo

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Oblivion said:
Wow, all the Romney hacks (including Romney himself, apparently) on T.V. today haven't even TRIED to defend the reports on Romney's involvement. They're all attacking Obama for "distracting" with an issue that "no one cares about"

Must mean there's a lot more to this story.
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The best defense I've heard on Bain captial actually came as a joke from a Bloomberg anchor.

Something along the lines of "OK, Bain Captial was responsible for downsizing. Doesn't DC need some downsizing?"
 
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Chichikov

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AlteredBeast said:
I frown on the negative connotation used in your post towards freedom loving free people.
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I think they mean well, and on the personal level, I both appreciate self reliance and understand the romanticism of it.
But like all ideologues, they put rigid dogmatic ideals over practicality.
And the last thing this country needs is more ideologue.
 
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Narpas Sword0

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Salvor.Hardin said:
No see that's a terribly analogy I see being thrown around. If the President could step down from the daily activities involved in being President and could decide to focus on running the Olympics and place someone else in charge in his wake, then perhaps a semblance of a parallel can be drawn. But we'd blame the new President for any subsequent fuck up.

Who the fuck blames Kennedy for LBJ?
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Who blames Nixon for CREEP

Salvor.Hardin said:
Yet it's not an issue say, when Steve Jobs had majority share of Apple making him the outright owner, and was CEO, and was the head of the macintosh project, but had zero clue what the other half of Apple was doing when they worked in the same exact building? Because that's what happened.

And now let's assume that Steve Jobs goes off to run the Winter Olympics. Now we're to assume he knows what's going on at Apple?
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Jobs was fired for that lol
 
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Measley

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Brinbe said:
Bams ain't fucking around!

New campaign ad on Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud3mMj0AZZk

""Mitt Romney is not the solution. He's the problem" Just brilliant. That's the tagline.
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Chicago-style politics.
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Narpas Sword0

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PhoenixDark said:
I don't think this will be an issue in September tbh. If we're still stuck at 8.2 UE and averaging 80k jobs a month by then, Romney wins regardless.

But right now things look horrible for him. I wonder when he'll give another interview because he really dodged a piano today: no one asked about the testimony he gave in 2002 where he said he attended Bain business meetings in 99-02
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Recent polling shows romneys results slipping in "who is better for the economy." his only claim to knowing about the economy was Bain, if Bain is destroyed he has nothing to talk about. Plus he is now a known liar.

All Obama has to do is win Ohio. I bet Ohio loves this shit
 
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GhaleonEB

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Brinbe said:
Bams ain't fucking around!

New campaign ad on Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud3mMj0AZZk

""Mitt Romney is not the solution. He's the problem" Just brilliant. That's the tagline.
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One of the most brutal political ads I've seen in ages. The use of Romney's signing as the only audio - no music, no narration, just Romney - and the juxtaposed images is really effective. Team Romney is going to go apeshit over it, but hot damn. Obama is NOT fucking around.
 
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