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Well, we all know this.
Oh wow, I never read the actual article until now.
It's fucking hilarious.
Also, ARPANET gave us the router, seriously, if you know anything about networking, all arguments should end there.
Yeah, somebody mentioned that yesterday too.
Seriously, where's Kosmo to defend the honor of the WSJ?
Obama has been leading the entire time, despite being out spent, and most voters have already made their minds up. If Romney wins, it will be an electoral squeaker.
This report makes me slightly less panicky about the current polling situation:
http://dailykos.com/story/2012/07/2...pshot-Romney-still-can-t-break-out-of-low-40s
http://dailykos.com/story/2012/07/2...pshot-Romney-still-can-t-break-out-of-low-40s
The Chosen One
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Not sure how close you and Phoenix Dark were paying attention to the 2004 election back then, but John Kerry was also beating Bush all the way through August even though the Swift Boating began in May and went into high gear in August.
But it took time for all the negative attacks to sink in. So even though Kerry was ahead in the polls during the negative onslaught, the damage was being done and became clearly apparent in the fall shortly after the Republican convention.
So we won't really know the full impact of the Bain attacks until sometime in September. When voters start paying attention, they may very well have a sub-conscious impression that Romney is a flip-flopping secretive tax evader who is out of touch with the everyday man.
Also considering how weak the job numbers have been lately, I'd be worried if I was in the Romney camp that Obama is still leading their candidate by a few percentage points. With the unemployment numbers still very high, Obama should really be trailing right now. At the very least, the negative attacks may be helping to keep Obama afloat. It really doesn't make sense otherwise that he's winning right now.
platypotamus
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Absolutely not. Just as I was absolutely not upset with everyone's treatment of CNN/Fox for getting the Healthcare verdict wrong. The thing that bums me out is how little any of these mistakes will change anything or improve our incredibly broken and pathetic media.
Fun with 270towin.com: A plausible 269 tie.
John Boehner's House gets to pick the president! Yay!
LoL@ Ohio going red.
Ain't happening. In fact, Obama will more than likely win the state with a higher margin than he did in 2008.
New WSJ/NBC poll:
A bunch of polling on the effect of negative campaigning and so on, but the overall picture is pretty stable. Which is great news for Mitt Romney!
In the presidential horserace, Obama leads Romney by six percentage points among registered voters, 49 percent to 43 percent.
In a smaller sample of registered voters living in 12 battleground states (Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin), the incumbent presidents lead over Romney is eight points, 49 to 41, which is essentially unchanged from June.
In a smaller sample of registered voters living in 12 battleground states (Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin), the incumbent presidents lead over Romney is eight points, 49 to 41, which is essentially unchanged from June.
A bunch of polling on the effect of negative campaigning and so on, but the overall picture is pretty stable. Which is great news for Mitt Romney!
PhoenixDark
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This is bad news for Obama. Romney voters are more focused on the race, whereas Obama voters are not paying attention - they might not even know what day the election is on tbh
Byakuya769
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Despite my disappointment with Obama, I really love the fact that he grants me the bitter years of corporatist democrats. As if Obama is leading the green revolution. And Clinton can still EAD for his hurt feelings over playing himself out of his saxophone playing schtick.
Black Mamba
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i wouldn't say this means anything at all.
People who hate Obama are more interested. No surprise. This type of poll has a lot of variable bias built in to it, so it's not to be taken as anything of value.
Oh, we know the purpose. Unfortunately, I'm uncertain it will be sufficient to overturn the law. A similar law in Indiana was upheld in 2008.
Presently, polling has modest predictive value. There's still too much time intervening the election to make a confident projection; although, this will soon change as we approach the conventions. Nevertheless, polls are informational. It's difficult to reduce movement to a single cause. But they can help distinguish which messages are resonating or the import of economic data.
The only people spinning are the typical defeatists. Neither Obama nor Romney's position has changed. How exactly is that bad news for Obama? He still retains a moderate advantage.
Black Republican
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im tellin u ppl, romney was sent to die, crappy economy, decent numbers for obama still. Even the gop pollster said these are numbers u see on october.
obama will enjoy his 303-333 EV, first time in 100 years an incumbant will win reelection with less evs but i doubt they'll care.
and im no far lefty
worldrunover
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Oh come on. The anti-Bush sentiment was just as strong if not stronger in '04 and we all know how that election turned out.
PhoenixDark
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What GOP pollster said that...
Romney is right where wants to be. Within striking distance waiting for the inevitable decline of Obama due to the economy. IE next month
whereas Obama is still <50%
Tuesday Nov. 6th if you're voting Republican, Wednesday the 7th for Democrats (can't wait for the Dems to roll this old accusation out again).
Boehner wants to re-do the debt ceiling battle cause it was so much fun last time:
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/24/12930461-an-expensive-hostage-strategy
Come on, Kosmo. Defend this shit, you know you want to.
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/24/12930461-an-expensive-hostage-strategy
Come on, Kosmo. Defend this shit, you know you want to.
worldrunover
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You mean actual robo calls that have been made that actually tell people the wrong date that there is actual proof of?
In fairness to him, it's a campaign promise. Boehner can hardly say "If Obama wins, I guess we'll start cooperating with him and allowing the government to function." A debt crisis in January of 2013 isn't an entertaining prospect for anybody -- I don't see it happening.
Add to that the release of Halo and CoD the same week to suppress the youth vote, and it makes you wonder "why even have an election?".
makingmusic476
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Obama could lose every state on that list where his lead is less than 4.7 points (his margin in Ohio), and he'd still get 271 EVs.
And man, my Dad won't stop listening to Hannity no matter how many examples of the dude making shit up I show him. Today he was going on about Obama outspending Romney 2:1 over the past several months, and I just shook my head. Yeah, let's pretend SuperPACs don't exist.
I'm guessing your dad thinks he's a socialist, right? Ask him how someone like him who hates businesses would be able to rack up that much money against Romney?
RustyNails
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Judging by Obama's ad momentum (sharpness of ads and their frequency), I doubt he will have much trouble going up against Romney and his sugardaddy superpacs. You can have all the money in the world but if you can't build a strong narrative about your opponent, you're worthless. Good luck trying to stick Solyndra.
lol, ok.
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Where do you get that from? How would you know this?
cartoon_soldier
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He feels it. Deep Down Inside.
I'm still incredulous at last year's furor. That doubtlessly curtailed growth just as the economy had finally gained traction. Really, given the insufficient fiscal stimulus and that galling nonsense, it's miraculous the economy's recovered even to this degree.
Hey, everyone loves a good underdog story.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yes, when the underdog is likeable and charismatic in some way.
Seriously, fuck Glenn Grothman. This stupid piece of shit better get voted out next time. I swear I will volunteer as much time as I can for whoever runs against guy...
Fun with 270towin.com: A plausible 269 tie.
John Boehner's House gets to pick the president! Yay!
I'd laugh so hard if Omaha splitting Nebraska's electoral vote again determined the Presidency.
PantherLotus
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Actually the fact that Obama is leading in basically every category, even if only barely, with all these peripherals that would have any other incumbent on the ropes, is testament to just how terrible of a candidate Romney is for this cycle.
Seriously, the GOP is giving this one away, just like they did the last. It's embarrassing and you should be embarrassed for them.
Obama 310+
Seriously, the GOP is giving this one away, just like they did the last. It's embarrassing and you should be embarrassed for them.
Obama 310+
cartoon_soldier
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It is one poll
Well, at least people are being open about their motivations now.
Doubt it will happen this time
Doubt it will happen this time
It all depends on the voter turnout. Which Omaha has been pretty terrible at lately, for both parties
But it fits the trend of little to no change for months.
http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/us-president-12
Mitt Romney says you "ought to give, whichever president is going to be elected, at least six months or a year to get those policies in place."
That's an interesting (and sensible) position, considering:
If there's anything good about Glenn, at least it's that he's pretty open about his idiocy.
That's an interesting (and sensible) position, considering:
If there's anything good about Glenn, at least it's that he's pretty open about his idiocy.
Mitt Romney would restore 'Anglo-Saxon' relations between Britain and America
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...on-relations-between-Britain-and-America.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...on-relations-between-Britain-and-America.html
Getting kinda close to danger territory there. In fact, I'd say that's out of line.
Dammit, just beaten! Still dirty as hell.
The special relationship is special? lol
Good luck with that argument.
cartoon_soldier
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Romney will be better as he is white...nice argument, Media won't report it as Racist BS that it is.
Vestal
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PhoenixDark
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bububu Obama threw the Churchill bust in the toilet!
That's a pretty blatant, lazy attempt at a dog whistle.
NullPointer
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Is the writer just stirring shit or did Romney actually mention Obama's father? The sentiment sounds bad enough, but holy shit.
A white mans touch. What the fuck does that mean.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/romney_camp_mitt_will_bring_a_white_mans_touch.php?ref=fpblg
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/romney_camp_mitt_will_bring_a_white_mans_touch.php?ref=fpblg
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