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[Baraka in the White House]

Why is everyone so certain it will be struck down all of a sudden?

11th hour bubble gut.

 

[Tamanon]

Why is everyone so certain it will be struck down all of a sudden?

I'm 90% sure it'll be upheld, personally. Or worst case, only a portion struck down.

 

[codhand]

I'm 90% sure it'll be upheld, personally. Or worst case, only a portion struck down.

SC hands down its ruling, and gamefly will hand down its ruling on what game to ship me, very nervous about both.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Because the SC sucks lately.

I hope it is struck down, but that the rest of the bill sticks around. That way, as costs skyrocket, hands will be forced to finally enact medicare for all. /Delusional hope.

 

[worldrunover]

I'm 90% sure it'll be upheld, personally. Or worst case, only a portion struck down.

But if part of it is struck down, how is the rest propped up? The individual mandate is what holds this thing together, no?

 

[The Librarian]

#TeamLyle

 

[codhand]

The individual mandate is what holds this thing together, no?

Kinda like those huts made from feces, where the feces would be the mandate.

 

[GaimeGuy]

But if part of it is struck down, how is the rest propped up? The individual mandate is what holds this thing together, no?

Correct. It's there to ensure that healthy people participate in the pool so that the insurance functions as insurance (instead of just a general fund that only sick people contribute to)

 

[eBay Huckster]

You should probably stick to Canadian politics.

A bit late to this discussion, but I may be a better source for this than TF (and I'm not even Canadian)

...speaking of which, t-minus (at least) 3 minutes until I decide when I'm emigrating

 

[PhoenixDark]

GG

 

[codhand]

GG

passes the ball to Kennedy, Kennedy puts it up, annd.....

 

[GaimeGuy]

oh god. The anti-abortion activists singing amazing grace

 

[GaimeGuy]

"Montana campaign is summarily reversed, five to four. "

 

[eBay Huckster]

"In a 5-4 decision,"

 

[thefro]

here it comes :|

--

Edit, never mind, it was just a list of cases they are picking up.... I saw a couple "Sebelius v.s. " and thought it was the health care decisions.

 

[Puddles]

The ruling is happening now?

 

[GaimeGuy]

"In a 5-4 decision,"

Dissenting judges were Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan, who upheld the Montana laws

 

[Puddles]

Dissenting judges were Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan, who upheld the Montana laws

Wait, was the individual mandate just struck down?

 

[GaimeGuy]

Puddles: no, the montana campaign finance regulations


http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-1179h9j3.pdf

 

[eznark]

Good to see Citizens United affirmed.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Wow, federal overreach continues. A state can't even make their own campaign finance laws now.

 

[Mike M]

Totally betting on waiting til Thursday. Today will be all about the ruling on Arizona's immigration law.

 

[spandexmonkey]

Life without parole for juveniles violates 8th amendment:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-9646g2i8.pdf

 

[eBay Huckster]

Puddles: no, the montana campaign finance regulations


http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-1179h9j3.pdf

Please tell me someone on the conservative wing's retiring in the next 4 years.

 

[eznark]

Wow, federal overreach continues. A state can't even make their own campaign finance laws now.

A state can't limit free speech, correct. That should be obvious.

 

[Incognito]

No HC ruling today; just Arizona and a few others.

 

[eBay Huckster]

A state can't limit free speech, correct. That should be obvious.

Only the feds can limit 'free speech'? Noted.

 

[KingGondo]

A state can't limit free speech, correct. That should be obvious.

I wish I had as much speech to express as some of these rich people and corporations.

 

[eznark]

Only the feds can limit 'free speech'? Noted.

That one can't doesn't assume the other can.

 

[thefro]

Sounds like most of the Arizona Immigration law stuck down, sans a couple things (like police checking immigration status of people they've arrested before releasing them).

 

[ToxicAdam]

A study on public debt.

Carmen Reinhart, Vincent Reinhart, and Kenneth Rogoff look at the effect of prolonged high levels of government debt on long-term growth, concluding that “the cumulative effects can be quite dramatic.”

“We identify the major public debt overhang episodes in the advanced economies since the early 1800s, characterized by public debt to GDP levels exceeding 90% for at least five years. Consistent with Reinhart and Rogoff (2010) and other more recent research, we find that public debt overhang episodes are associated with growth over one percent lower than during other periods. Perhaps the most striking new finding here is the duration of the average debt overhang episode. Among the 26 episodes we identify, 20 lasted more than a decade. Five of the six shorter episodes were immediately after World Wars I and II. Across all 26 cases, the average duration in years is about 23 years. The long duration belies the view that the correlation is caused mainly by debt buildups during business cycle recessions. The long duration also implies that cumulative shortfall in output from debt overhang is potentially massive. We find that growth effects are significant even in the many episodes where debtor countries were able to secure continual access to capital markets at relatively low real interest rates. That is, growth-reducing effects of high public debt are apparently not transmitted exclusively through high real interest rates.”

http://www.nber.org/papers/w18015.pdf

 

[eBay Huckster]

That one can't doesn't assume the other can.

So the state can't make limitations on free speech, then? That has tons of fun implications.

I wish I had as much speech to express as some of these rich people and corporations.

You just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and then sell those bootstraps in an IPO for $16 billion.

Sounds like most of the Arizona Immigration law stuck down, sans a couple things (like police checking immigration status of people they've arrested before releasing them).

Would those 'couple things' happen to be referring to Section 2(B)? Because it seems more that they haven't yet ruled on those.

Also from TP:

Two significant points about the decision is that the Court voted 8-0 to reject this particular challenge to the show me your papers provision, with Kagan recused. The majority opinion also leaves open the possibility that a future challenge to this provision could succeed, including a claim that the law leads to unconstitutional racial profiling.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Scalia says he would uphold all parts of the arizona law. What a patriot. -_-

 

[Tamanon]

I love how on CNN, they immediately try to shoehorn any supreme court decision into the political impact as opposed to the legal impact.

 

[codhand]

nothin to see here people, move along

 

[cartoon_soldier]

SB1070 decision is good for Obama. It also gives the press 3 days to focus on it before AZ decision comes.

I wonder what Romney will say...

Spoiler

Nothing...ECONOMY!!

 

[Tamanon]

SB1070 decision is good for Obama. It also gives the press 3 days to focus on it before AZ decision comes.

I wonder what Romney will say...

Spoiler

Nothing...ECONOMY!!

Activist court...blah blah.

 

[AlteredBeast]

SB1070 decision is good for Obama. It also gives the press 3 days to focus on it before AZ decision comes.

I wonder what Romney will say...

Spoiler

Nothing...ECONOMY!!

Ehh, I think there is only one thing on the peoples' and press' minds: healthcare. Especially since the "Show me your papers" line is still intact of the AZ law.

 

[worldrunover]

http://scotusblog.wpengine.com/

As part of Scalia's statement in dissent, he is commenting on the president's announcement about suspending deportation of illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children -- something that was not part of the case

smh

 

[eznark]

Was Kagan significantly more involved in immigration issues that healthcare issues?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Interesting.

Tom:
From the opinion authorship, health care is almost certainly being written by CJ Roberts, perhaps in part with Justice Kennedy.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Interesting.

6-3 + uphold or 5-4 + mandate gone confirmed (likely the latter)

 

[eznark]

Interesting.

So mandate struck down, everything else upheld.

 

[worldrunover]

No healthcare today, bah. Thursday.

 

[Kosmo]

So mandate struck down, everything else upheld.

I can see the mandate being struck down as well as the essential thing it allows- guaranteed coverage. I'm not sure how you can strike down one and not the other.

 

[Dude Abides]

http://scotusblog.wpengine.com/



smh

Scalia's basically been Sean Hannity in robes for the last decade or so. It's all politics, no law, for him.

 

[PantherLotus]

I can see the mandate being struck down as well as the essential thing it allows- guaranteed coverage. I'm not sure how you can strike down one and not the other.

I'm not sure either, but if both aren't struck down, private insurance will be obliterated.

 

[Kosmo]

Was Kagan significantly more involved in immigration issues that healthcare issues?

Probably more involved in the healthcare issues, since it was a THE key piece of legislation for Obama.

I'm not sure either, but if both aren't struck down, private insurance will be obliterated.

You do know that there are many insurers that have guaranteed issue, right?

 

[eznark]

I can see the mandate being struck down as well as the essential thing it allows- guaranteed coverage. I'm not sure how you can strike down one and not the other.

Well if they actually want to get political, it's the way to go. Romney can blame Obamacare for the immediate 20% rise in rates that people are claiming will happen.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Interesting.

link?