Hobbestetrician
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What is the deal with my home state? Why does it seem to have gotten so close recently?
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What is the deal with my home state? Why does it seem to have gotten so close recently?
Granholm ineptitude combined with Snyder getting shit done
What may appear as a government handout to people on the left, is actually good ole fashion self reliance by hard workin, god fearin, real Americans.
In other words, IOIYAR.
I wouldn't go that far. Preibus IS pretty fucking stupid, but yeah, so is Debbie.
The Librarian
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Wasn't Snyder the governor who signed into law that allows the state to appoint (essentially) dictators of cities and towns under certain conditions?
I think the Snyder's supporters prefer you call them "Emergency Managers" while they stomp on your right to representation. The people of the toppled municipalities call them "Ricktators."
I hate Murdoch but he's right. Romney has no backbone and is so neutral/safe it hurts. And he was right about Obama being so damn electable in 2008 as well.
I dunno, iirc he was going there for some reason.He was going to Quebec? Why? That def makes it worse.
We can't afford to lose MI or that's really going to fuck shit up.
Thanks a lot Granholm. >:|
Is anyone forgetting that he could be on Romney's shortlist for VP nom? Seriously, Snyder would really put the state in play I think
Aaron Strife
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Snyder's really unpopular. There are rumors he won't be running for a second term.Diablos said:
PPP tweets: MA senate is still close, but the undecideds go for Obama 60-13. Brown's approval is up 10 points from March but Warren hasn't lost any support. Warren and Brown are tied in 3 out of 4 age groups (I'd take this to mean she's winning young voters).
Makes sense for him to run as VP then.
Only part I'm confused about.
CNN's bullet points had something like
Approved:
-"Officers can ask for immigration status"
Thrown out
-"Arizona cannot require illegal immigrants to carry IDs"
I see it being interpreted as "officers can demand papers" -- but do they have to produce papers? Seems like if someone was asked for papers, they could just claim to be legal and that'd be it.
CNN's bullet points had something like
Approved:
-"Officers can ask for immigration status"
Thrown out
-"Arizona cannot require illegal immigrants to carry IDs"
I see it being interpreted as "officers can demand papers" -- but do they have to produce papers? Seems like if someone was asked for papers, they could just claim to be legal and that'd be it.
I meant for him. It's a smart career move. Abandoning a local seat he couldn't win is what led to Obama being the president.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
US law in a nutshell.
Latest I see is an April poll showing him at 48%? Considering he was in the mid 30's in February, he seems to be doing fine. Are there newer numbers?
Oh, you edited out the mention of his approval rating so I guess that was just pulled out of your ass?
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It's a smart political move to pluck someone out of an environment where the GOP can say "our leaders have been getting things done in areas traditionally dominated by Democratic Party politics." Walker, Snyder, etc.
Not sure what's so funny about making such an observation, but okay.
Snyder is not national candidate material. I live him for Michigan, but when he speaks he's clearly someone who is not a politician at heart. He's a smart guy and has been a very good governor, but he would not play on the national stage.
Sorry, you're wrong. The recall effort died without gaining any momentum. We haven't really heard a peep since his initial legislation went through about public employee contributions to healthcare and reform on public pension taxes. He has put business on stable ground with the 6% flat business tax and no tax on most small businesses. He has a deal in place to get a new bridge to Canada without using Michigan taxpayer dollars (directly, some of it is through the feds, but mostly paid for by Canada). He has the legislature passing 2 year budgets (the second year being an interim budget) to get away from the bullshit we saw every October as the budget deadline hit. The film "handout" has been reduced to $25M and is not longer pissing away taxpayer money we can't afford.
I can see how, if you were a Granhom-favored interest group you might not like him, but for all intents and purposes, he's doing everything you should want a governor to do if you follow his mantra - simple, fair, equitable.
He definitely needs to have an ObamaCare response ready by Monday. He can probably skate the weekend just saying "lol, your signature legislation got shitcanned" but by Monday he is going to have to come up with some alternative, and be able to answer at least somewhat detailed questions about it.
Once ObamaCare is struck down, he can no longer rest on "I'll repeal it" he now has to provide an alternative.
Early reportage on this was uniformly terrible as everyone wanted to be first to report.
The deal as we locals are hearing on every radio station and local news right now:
Police can still demand proof of citizenship on suspicion alone. (Papers Please)
Police can no longer arrest without warrant on suspicion or lack of documentation.
It is no longer a crime (trespass) to be in the Arizona and undocumented.
It is no longer a crime (failure to disclose) to not have your immigration registration papers on your person.
All of it is still blocked until the lower court lifts its injunction.
As soon as someone is improperly stopped and subject to a demand of citizenship, the remaining leg of the legislation starts on its way back to the SCOTUS.
Eh, he'd be a safe VP candidate but would help embolden the GOP's message in the midwest which is crucial. He just has to shut up and look good by Romney while he lightly brags about making progress in a Democratic stronghold. That's about it. Romney will do the rest.
He can offer what he did in MA -- oh, wait...
cartoon_soldier
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Depends in the media. They have for the most part allowed him to get away with it.
So, hypotheticals:
Scenario 1:
-Police: Papers, please.
-Illegal: I'm legal
-Police: Have a nice day?
Scenario 2:
-Police: Papers, please.
-Illegal: Don't have papers. I'm illegal.
-Police: Have a nice day? (though I assume the officer can forward any information to the feds)
I got that right? And a related question -- as I understand it, officers could always ask for papers. The only difference being that, under reasonable suspicion, they are now required to ask for papers. So it seems like a tiny change that won't make much of a difference.
precisely
Yep. Romney will keep doing it as long as the media is willing to let it slide.
It's pretty sad when even Murdoch can see how pathetic this all is.
Substance doesn't come til after the 4th of July. In a couple of weeks shit will get real. I think the SC decision will accelerate that timeline.
It'll be fun to watch him squirm in debates. How is he going to defend his accomplishments as MA Gov while simultaneously trying to be in favor of a ruling that, afaik, will probably hurt MA health care law as well because it has a mandate, too? Romney vs. Romney vs. Obama vs. SCOTUS. Wheeee!
Let's hope so. The honeymoon period for Romney should be over considering he probably had the easiest primary season of any Presidential candidate in a zillion years.
Both remain civil offenses (like driving without proof of insurance or a driver's license), but are no longer criminal offenses.
Before SB1070, officers were not compelled to request proof of citizenship on reasonable suspicion, nor were there criteria defining what constitutes reasonable suspicion.
Now after SCOTUS, we'll probably return to that and hope that, as the law mandates, race isn't the sole determinant of reasonable suspicion.
You must be young
PhoenixDark
Banned
I like Snyder to a degree, certainly more so than Jenny from the block. But Snyder doesn't strike me as a good pick for VP. He contradicts Romney on the auto bailout and seems quite content with getting things done here. I think he'll certainly win reelection unless he starts acting like Walker and pisses off the state's clear democrat majority. I don't think he will though because he doesn't strike me a a regular politician. He's a problem solver who happens to be a republican
I might be wrong, but I think it's believed that states can put in those sorts of mandates while the federal gov cannot (even though founding fathers mandated gun ownership and health insurance for sailors).
Makes sense. Thanks.
I doubt he'll offer a real alternative. And if he does, it will just be vague platitudes like his immigration "plan."
Romney's only going to provide substance when the media starts really hounding him on it, and I don't see that happening until it's probably too late.
Pretty much this. He get's asked all the time about wanting "Right to Work" legislation, since it's a Republican position and he pretty much says "If it crosses my desk, I'll evaluate it, but I don't hear a lot of push for it and it's not something I'm going to waste political energy on and distract me from other things that need to be done in the state."
28.
All Romney had to do was stand there with a shit-eating grin on his face while teatards tore each other apart. Must have been quite an experience for him.
Oh, and he made fun of Rick Perry a couple times. But that's kind of like picking on a kid with special needs. :\
Either way, Romney has a lot of explaining to do.
of course,
This is probably true. The media won't care until the narrative has already been defined. It seems to be playing out that way.
lol what, "Jenny from the block" hahaha.
Granholm was pretty inept but Snyder isn't doing anything for the Governorship himself unless you are a conservative (or blue dog, I guess) of course.
Then picking him can be a way of Romney to strategically admit he spoke wrongly about the bailout and wants to move forward. MI would be huge for Romney and would play well into the narrative he might try to sell by November. He's going to have to do something interesting.
PhoenixDark
Banned
It's going to happy eventually. But right now he's clearly focused on getting us out of the hole
If Obama had do focused purely on the economy (with a few side issues like DADT, Start treaty, etc) I think he'd be in a better position today. So much of his "jobs" plan could have been passed years ago, but the administration decided to do other things, assuming the economy would just get better.
Although I find myself wanting it both ways, I wish he had just passed health care and everything else on his agenda as fast as possible like Walker. Worry about the consequences later, and hope the economy improves enough for people not to care what you did two years ago
And he could still win
As soon as I heard he was putting his money into a gaming studio, originally to make a MMO no less, I thought "What a dumb ass."
I was right.
they seem to be coming around, if twitter and the politico are any indication. for instance http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/06/the-romney-camps-line-on-arizona-127229.html
and on and on for 7 minutes, until the call was ended
I do. Have you seen Gallup today? Wheeee.
Legislative votes are representative of party ideology as they're the manifestation of the party's platform. And those were provided. Still, I provided context and an explanation for the cause of the ideological convergence of our political parties. It may seem peculiar to an outside observer, but there are strong historical and institutional antecedents for this phenomenon. Nonetheless, the party's diverge ideologically. And that divergence is considerably greater than it had been in the mid-20th Century. Also, you've discoursed on foreign policy, and I'm inclined to agree. There are differences, and it's one of the primary reasons I support the Democrats, but the parties converge on foreign policy more than most other issues. And I've long bemoaned the stale uniformity of our foreign policy establishment.
It's slightly disingenuous, or ignorant, to characterize Reagan as having done many things that were liberal or socialist. Granted, despite the apotheosis of Reagan, he was not absolutely conservative. Although, he had to operate within a divided government. Again, the U.S.'s institutional arrangement muddles the picture. Undoubtedly, having to cooperate with a Democratic House and, towards the end of his term, Senate moderated the legislation passed during his presidency.
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