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Oblivion

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GOP leaders also began engineering an end to the state's early voting, Sunday voting and same-day registration provisions
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While I'm obviously against things like voter ID, one could at least make the theoretical, legitimate-ish sounding argument that you can use it to cut down on voter fraud. But what the hell is all this shit supposed to do?
 
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PhoenixDark

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I wish they'd just completely nix or overhaul the employer portion. It's perhaps my least favorite part of the law.

Anecdotal evidence warning: I work with dental insurance, and we're seeing a lot of restaurant, grocery, and retail employers cut workers to part time. Obviously it's a case of large multi billion dollar corporations fucking their employees, but when said employees come in they tend to blame Obama.
 
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K-19

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Oblivion said:
So Marxism, like communism, has no practical way of actually existing in practice?
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In the actual context I would say no. If you want to stay competitive as a country you have to avoid rules, it's unbearable to respect your ideals when other don't. Marxism would only be effective if applied worldwide, that's clearly impracticable. That's why the SPD (german social democrat party) officially rejected marxism with the Bad-Godesberg reform in 1959, since then they liberalized the hell out of this country, that's why it's now EU number 1. Same is beginning to happen in France.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Oblivion said:
George Washington and Reagan?
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LOL.

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Invented is a strong word, a manifestation of arbitrary rules that are part of a culture that favor those with capital, and inform those without capital that they are subhuman and should gain capital.
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Right. However, those rules (use of currency for goods and services) are pretty basic and not something you can just throw out. As long as we use money, this is something we have to deal with. Before that, there were other forms of societal power that people hoarded and used to dehumanize others, so even removing money won't change that.

So, I view capitalism as a force, not a system that can be uprooted and replaced. Unchecked free-market capitalism is a system, and that *has* been partially replaced. I'm cool with that.
 
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Oblivion

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So some Fox News douche (probably Hannity) said that Obama's secretly wishing that Zimmerman gets acquitted so that the anger build up in the Black community will help mobilize voting in the midterms.
 
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KtSlime

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Right. However, those rules (use of currency for goods and services) are pretty basic and not something you can just throw out. As long as we use money, this is something we have to deal with. Before that, there were other forms of societal power that people hoarded and used to dehumanize others, so even removing money won't change that.

So, I view capitalism as a force, not a system that can be uprooted and replaced. Unchecked free-market capitalism is a system, and that *has* been partially replaced. I'm cool with that.
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I could go with it (trading with an intermediary object) as a force, a propensity much in the same way languages, laws, etc are basic in large groups of people. However, I view the rule in capitalism that says "person with the capital should gain all the profit from the use of the capital" as an arbitrary construct, that is not universal to the activity of currency.

I'm not firm in this, I would be willing to change my mind, but I have not seen a good argument as to why this has to be the only way a culture can redistribute the gains. Humans have a great deal of flexibility, it would surprise me if this property of capitalism (if that is the word you want to use for all human economic trade) was not also.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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ivedoneyourmom said:
I could go with it (trading with an intermediary object) as a force, a propensity much in the same way languages, laws, etc are basic in large groups of people. However, I view the rule in capitalism that says "person with the capital should gain all the profit from the use of the capital" as an arbitrary construct, that is not universal to the activity of currency.

I'm not firm in this, I would be willing to change my mind, but I have not seen a good argument as to why this has to be the only way a culture can redistribute the gains. Humans have a great deal of flexibility, it would surprise me if this property of capitalism (if that is the word you want to use for all human economic trade) was not also.
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I'm on my phone, so I can't respond in detail. But I would say that what you describe, that the owner of the capital receives all the gains, is not quite true-h- more later.
 
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Oblivion

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"Women in the 1980s adopted a male style of dress—ties, tailored skirt suits, shoulder pads—in order to gain a foothold in the male dominated world of business. And Carol Moseley Braun, the first African American woman elected to the U.S. Senate, wore a pantsuit on the Senate floor in 1993, ending the Senate’s ban on women wearing slacks there."

My question was: Do you resist feminist trends? Do you argue with it? Do you find ways to oppose it? Or do you just succumb to it and just kowtow to feminism? Dave, I’m afraid this stuff is all over the place in our nice little evangelical, reformed, conservative, fundamentalist churches.
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Coming back from Australia, I’m stuck in fourteen hours of these visual presentations, sitcoms and stuff, on seventeen screens in front of me and I’ve never seen so many breasts in all of my life. The immodesty going on in our society is far worse than it was back when Cheers, Family Ties and The Cosby Show was playing. I mean every form of aberrant sexuality and women’s breasts are shown in front of me almost nonstop for fourteen hours. It’s just such an oppressive, horrible, horrible world and so many of our young girls in our Christian churches are running down to Wal-Mart and buying the same clothes. These are the sorts of things that I’m bringing out in front of God’s people, I’m saying: how are we going to repent of the sexual sin that is paraded in front of us in the wider culture? Why do we have to submit to theses sexual sins again and again?

I brought up androgyny and how many young boys are running out and doing the metrosexual thing with the skinny pants and the little fairy shoes. They’re working on the gender blender for themselves and they don’t want to look like a man and God is just so upset, He hates it when man are not manly in their approach. 1 Corinthians 6 speaks about homosexuality and feminine behavior and feminine dress for men. God does not want men to be androgynous and feminine like in their approach; He gave them facial hair for a reason.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...ldfires-because-women-wear-pants-have-breasts

In case your curious, the above are among the reason there are so many wild fires in Colorado recently.
 
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zero shift

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So why exactly hasn't socialism every been implemented properly in the long term?

Tito is often overpraised with the state still having too much control and human rights abuses.

Sankura only managed Burkina Faso as long as Obama has currently managed America and was still very totalitarian despite the fact that he did not like killing people.

Some will say modern Venezuela but its still technically mostly Capitalist and its having a lot of problems.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Just saw something on Mother Jones about greenwald insinuating the NSA listening to phone calls. I'm not falling for his teases, his original reporting on prism was misleading to a large extent, but if they are listening to phone calls that would cross a line and get my outrage. If its just storing it or saying other need to store it until the have evidence I'm not sure were I would stand.

There needs to be congressional hearings either way on the totality of snowden's leaks and the surveillance agencies as a whole. Even if at the end of the day its decided these revelations aren't illegal.
 
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Oblivion

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PPP's new Texas poll finds that Wendy Davis made a good impression on voters in the state last week -- but that Rick Perry has also enhanced his political standing considerably over the last five months, making him tough to beat for reelection. [...]

Davis would trail Rick Perry by 14 points in a hypothetical match up, 53/39. While Davis' standing has improved over the last five months so has Perry's.
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So much for your new milf-y hero, eh guys?
 
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Tamanon

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APKmetsfan said:
Just saw something on Mother Jones about greenwald insinuating the NSA listening to phone calls. I'm not falling for his teases, his original reporting on prism was misleading to a large extent, but if they are listening to phone calls that would cross a line and get my outrage. If its just storing it or saying other need to store it until the have evidence I'm not sure were I would stand.

There needs to be congressional hearings either way on the totality of snowden's leaks and the surveillance agencies as a whole.
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It might've been referencing his paranoia about Skype and his boyfriend's laptop.

Listening to phone calls themselves without a warrant is definitely unconstitutional though. Unlike the other stuff revealed thus far. One would think he would've led with that.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Tamanon said:
It might've been referencing his paranoia about Skype and his boyfriend's laptop.

Listening to phone calls themselves without a warrant is definitely unconstitutional though. Unlike the other stuff revealed thus far. One would think he would've led with that.
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Like I said I don't trust his teases

This is from a speech the other day Greenwald gave:
Another document that I probably shouldn’t share since it’s not published but I am going to share it with you anyway—and this one’s coming soon but you’re getting a little preview—It talks about how a brand new technology enables the National Security Agency to redirect into its repositories one billion cell phone calls every single day, one billion cell phone calls every single day.

What we are really talking about here is a globalized system that prevents any form of electronic communication from taking place without its being stored and monitored by the National Security Agency. It doesn’t mean they’re listening to every call. It means they’re storing every call and have the capability to listen to them at any time and it does mean that they’re collecting millions upon million upon millions of our phone and email records.
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By greenwald's past reporting that just means they have the tech, not that they are doing it
But who knows?
 
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Aaron Strife

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Oblivion said:
So much for your new milf-y hero, eh guys?
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Texas is far from electing a liberal champion of abortion rights as their governor, I'm afraid. The type of candidate with the "right profile" (i.e. moderate and bland) isn't going to be the one who drives up Hispanic turnout, which is what's needed for Democrats to start winning Texas.

Still, it might be worth it to run Davis so Democrats can boost registration numbers and maybe win downballot races. On the other hand, her State Senate district is pretty vulnerable without her.
 
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The GOP chairman of the state Senate rules committee, Sen. Tom Apodaca, said he would move quickly to pass a voter ID law that Republicans say would bolster the integrity of the balloting process. GOP leaders also began engineering an end to the state's early voting, Sunday voting and same-day registration provisions, all popular with black voters. Civil rights groups say the moves are designed to restrict poll access by blacks, who vote reliably Democratic.

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Apodaca said the previous requirements for federal preclearance caused "legal headaches" in passing such measures as voter ID in response to legitimate concerns over voter fraud. It's time, he told reporters, to bring the Voting Rights Act "into this century, not the last century."

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The new moves by state officials to adopt ID requirements and other changes in the voting laws can have a critical impact on black voting strength, civil rights leaders say. Blacks represented 22% of North Carolina's registered voters in 2012 but accounted for 34% of voters without a driver's license or state-issued ID this year, according to Democracy North Carolina, a liberal advocacy group. The group says blacks in 2012 made up 29% of early voters and 34% of same-day registration voters.​
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It's gotten to the point where if someone tells me they vote Republican, I just assume they're a terrible person. There's no defending this shit.
 
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worldrunover

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Can someone explain this Obamacare delay? Is this a matter of the policy not being clear enough or businesses throwing a hissy fit or what? The thing was passed 3 years ago ffs.

Speculation is Obama doesn't want it used as a cudgel in the '14 midterms, but that's insanely dumb if true.
 
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Tamanon

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worldrunover said:
Can someone explain this Obamacare delay? Is this a matter of the policy not being clear enough or businesses throwing a hissy fit or what? The thing was passed 3 years ago ffs.

Speculation is Obama doesn't want it used as a cudgel in the '14 midterms, but that's insanely dumb if true.
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I think it's because states dragged their feet on the exchanges, delaying the implementation.
 
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jamesinclair

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worldrunover said:
Can someone explain this Obamacare delay? Is this a matter of the policy not being clear enough or businesses throwing a hissy fit or what? The thing was passed 3 years ago ffs.

Speculation is Obama doesn't want it used as a cudgel in the '14 midterms, but that's insanely dumb if true.
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Obama was upset to discover he accidentally achieved something during his administration. Obviously, that was a mistake. Now he realizes he shouldnt try and just doesnt do anything, just in case something gets by.
 
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RobotMafia

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So living in Arizona I have to put up with just disgusting people. One such person is Senator Jeff Flake. He is a crazy ass racist, sexist piece of shit who loves to tout his Mormon values. Here is his son:

http://tinyurl.com/l73qdkm


Those amazing Mormon values!!!! Sorry if this has been posted before. I think most people blow off the crazy shit that comes out of this state.
 
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Aaron Strife

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RobotMafia said:
So living in Arizona I have to put up with just disgusting people. One such person is Senator Jeff Flake. He is a crazy ass racist, sexist piece of shit who loves to tout his Mormon values. Here is his son:

http://tinyurl.com/l73qdkm


Those amazing Mormon values!!!! Sorry if this has been posted before. I think most people blow off the crazy shit that comes out of this state.
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Wow it's almost like raising your children on conservative values has a way of instilling certain unpleasant beliefs about women, minorities and gays into young impressionable minds.
 
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Aaron Strife

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All of a sudden, the tea party is concerned about electability:

Matt Hoskins, the Senate Conservatives Fund's executive director, told the Washington Post Tuesday that McConnell isn't a strong enough candidate to face off against Grimes and that it may be time for him to "pass the torch."

“Mitch McConnell is now the least electable Republican senator running for reelection in 2014,” Hoskins said. "He could lose this race and cost Republicans the majority. He needs to consider whether it might be time to hang it up.”
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Maybe if he was more conservative this wouldn't be a problem.
 
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RobotMafia

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PhoenixPause said:
Since when is Jeff Flake racist?
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Eh, maybe I was being harsh there but he is well known in Arizona as being backhanded on Immigration reform. He supported SB 1070 but then didnt. He supports immigration reform but not really....I guess it was wrong of me to straight call him a racist. He is just a typical republican.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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RobotMafia said:
So living in Arizona I have to put up with just disgusting people. One such person is Senator Jeff Flake. He is a crazy ass racist, sexist piece of shit who loves to tout his Mormon values. Here is his son:

http://tinyurl.com/l73qdkm


Those amazing Mormon values!!!! Sorry if this has been posted before. I think most people blow off the crazy shit that comes out of this state.
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I like how randomly there is a comment praising justin bieber in there.
 
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