JesseEwiak
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People who don't understand we can have pensions, universal health care, free college education, __and__ iPhone's should be forced to live in Scandinavia for six months.
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smokeandmirrors
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I really hate that argument. "LOOK AT ALL THIS AWESOME TECH WE HAVE!1! life can't be that hard guys!" which completely ignores other factors of what determines the quality of life, not to mention certain aspects of the technology boom are pretty much a requirement to live and work in the modern world...
But hey our ipad 4's are as powerful as the most powerful super computer in 1993 (true story), life must be fucking amazing!
I bet they all watched porn and used the internet, as well.
Clearly we need to stop focussing on the internet and go back to the Written Word, and to discourage sex via abstinence only education, if we are to keep our children safe. :3
zero shift
Banned
Obummer of the day
Insurance doesn't mean shit. With insurance getting mine removed was over $1200, without insurance it was $1800...
Holy crap...
Hope I don't have to deal with that. My gums were in pretty bad shape last year, but they seemed to have improved substantially since.
Btw, was this posted? The Obamacare train wreck seems to be getting wreckier:
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/09/17/20543011-a-very-different-kind-of-sticker-shock?lite
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/09/17/20543011-a-very-different-kind-of-sticker-shock?lite
PhoenixDark
Banned
jamesinclair: you could give him/her this link: http://www.carecredit.com/
Did he perform root scaling and planing? Unless your gums are completely ruined, you should be able to address it with that, and then perio maintenance every three months.
Did he perform root scaling and planing? Unless your gums are completely ruined, you should be able to address it with that, and then perio maintenance every three months.
This is great news.
Dental insurance is the biggest scam, since they don't pay jack shit, and the deductable means you're basically paying for most of it to begin with.
It's actually a disincentive to do your regular dental visits since you're paying full price, thus leading to more expensive problems down the road which they won't pay for.
It's actually a disincentive to do your regular dental visits since you're paying full price, thus leading to more expensive problems down the road which they won't pay for.
Frank the Great
Banned
ACA question: You only qualify for subsidies if your employer does not offer health insurance, right?
Sounds like it, most insurance I've had for dental had a ~$1000 deductable and then paid maybe 30% after that. There's surely good ones, but I've never seen 'em(besides when I was on Tricare).
PhoenixDark
Banned
It depends on your plan and employer. The cheapest plans tend to be horrible in terms of benefits/coverage % but many employers have good plans available with various options.
timetokill
Banned
Yeah, I've been getting Hoover-like vibes from Obama on the economy for a while now. Just so out of touch.
I think most Americans are tired of hearing about stock numbers rising and seeing that the beneficiaries of the bailout are all well taken care of now, but the people who paid for it are being left further and further behind.
Yeah, don't allow your gums to get bad, it'll cause you problems.
I got a second opinion elsewhere and didn't have the procedure done.
They wanted to take some of the roof of my mouth off to cover one single tooth. For $2000.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I work with dental insurance and the highest deductible I've seen in 3 years is $200 (family). It only kicks in after certain procedures, such as a filling.
mightynine
Member
Somebody want to hand me that Joker_HereWeGo.gif? Thanks.
From the AP wire (link is from the first site I found with the article):
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/apexchange/2013/09/17/us-budget-battle.html
From the AP wire (link is from the first site I found with the article):
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/apexchange/2013/09/17/us-budget-battle.html
jamesinclair
Banned
Y'all have shitty insurance...
Incidentally, my old undergrad had a fantastic "all you can eat" dental plan
Price: The rate for this years Student Dental Plan is $299 for the year. Spouses are also eligible to sign up for the Plan when the student enrolls also at the rate of $299 for the year.
What it covers:
Enjoy no copays, no deductibles, no yearly maximums, and no paperwork to complete after your visit. The Student Dental Plan offers low-cost, high-quality care for students basic dental needs such as cleanings and fillings. The service is brought to you by the highly trained dental students at Boston University Henry M. Goldman School of Dental Medicine under the supervision of licensed dentists.
2 routine cleanings (one every 6 months)
Fluoride treatment (as needed)
Oral hygiene instruction and follow up
Radiographs (x-rays) as needed for services provided by the Plan
Silver fillings (amalgams) and tooth-colored fillings (composites)
Emergency treatment for relief of pain
Emergency temporary fillings
You can get ALL the cavities filled. ALL of them.
empty vessel
Member
I think you can't even use the exchanges at all if your employer offers health insurance. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong.
The Librarian
Banned
Did a special election happen where the Democrats re-took the House while I wasn't looking?
Giant Panda
Member
Exactly, he can barely do anything with the current House so I don't get those complaints. Work did start on simplifying the tax code I believe, but that's going to take a long time because everyone has different pet interests.
timetokill
Banned
"The best that can be said is that the crew has been ineffectual in the face of Republican opposition in building any sort of political support for a stronger economic agenda. But ineffectual is not a much better recommendation than incompetent.
And it's hard to blame items like the "pivot to deficit reduction" on the Republicans. If the Obama team has an aggressive plan for turning the economy around that is being stifled by the nasty Republicans they have not done a very good job of even making it known, must less rallying support.
I suppose if they think everything in the economy is just great that would explain why they want Larry Summers back. That's pretty bad news on Labor Day."
NYCmetsfan
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There's more he could do and so much he didn't. There nothing beside throw a few bucks at the problem when he controlled congress. He did more than a republican would have but we deserved new deal type legislation. Yes there would have been a fight and it might not of passed but there wasn't even lip service."
Even if he did all that was politically possibly the way he speaks of the recover is totally out of touch and enraging. Yes congress isn't going to do anything but I want to hear that radical reforms still await
ridethepiggy
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You can use the exchanges but you don't qualify for subsidies if your employer offers 'affordable coverage' (aka 60% coinsurance & that costs less than 9.5% of your income). Here's a dinger, if your employer offers coverage to an employee's dependents REGARDLESS of the cost (i.e. charges dependents $1000 a month each) the dependents are not eligible for subsidies. If the employer doesn't offer coverage to the dependents at all then they are eligible for subsidies on the exchange.
The Librarian
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Not sure what the point of you quoting that was. How in the world is he supposed to work together with these Republicans to get stimulus through Congress? I doubt that Obama views >7% unemployment as a good thing.
PhoenixDark
Banned
It's ridiculous to suggest nothing can be done. An "Obama job's bill" isn't going to pass, which means the process has to start in the senate. If the house won't pass a huge bill, we could at the very list pass a series of smaller bills aimed at specific things: tax credits for small businesses, spending cuts*, specific infrastructure spending (even Rand Paul supports that).
*before Empty Wheel shivs me, no I don't support spending cuts right now. But obviously some type of cuts will need to be done to get some republicans to the table.
*before Empty Wheel shivs me, no I don't support spending cuts right now. But obviously some type of cuts will need to be done to get some republicans to the table.
empty vessel
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Ha. And I don't even mind being conflated with emptywheel. I like that gal.
JesseEwiak
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Um, you don't remember the numerous jobs bills Obama tried to put through, that included infratructure spending and tax credits that went nowhere? You remember when Obama put up numerous spending cut ideas that were tossed out by GOP as, "well, it's good even the liberal commie Muslim agrees with us that spending is the problem, but these spending cuts don't go far enough and aren't 95% cuts to spending for black, brown, and poor people, so it'll never come up in the House."
It's like people don't remember 2011-2013 in the House.
Did you even read the quote? You seem to be responding to PhoenixPauze's points in this post, and not what the quote is arguing: the way Obama allows the debate on the economy to be framed.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Empty Vessel: Yup, definitely enjoy her blog, and discussing football on twitter.
Which is why I said the bill cannot be birthed in the White House and thus become "Obama's jobs bill." And let's be real, that jobs bill included some gimmick tax credits. I'm talking about substantial stuff to help small businesses, not "hire x to get y" stuff. We've reached a point where it's time to start throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something sticks.
I'd love to get a payroll tax holiday for employees (and employers) and a huge stimulus bill, but that's not going to happen. Sitting around and lamenting that isn't going to fix the situation. Working with John McCain and others to get something passed in the senate is the better route. And unlike immigration (or guns), this wouldn't be some controversial vote.
Side note: having Biden work with the senate would make a lot of sense. It benefits his 2016 credentials, removes Obama from the equation, and still allows him to swoop in and take credit at the last minute.
Which is why I said the bill cannot be birthed in the White House and thus become "Obama's jobs bill." And let's be real, that jobs bill included some gimmick tax credits. I'm talking about substantial stuff to help small businesses, not "hire x to get y" stuff. We've reached a point where it's time to start throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something sticks.
I'd love to get a payroll tax holiday for employees (and employers) and a huge stimulus bill, but that's not going to happen. Sitting around and lamenting that isn't going to fix the situation. Working with John McCain and others to get something passed in the senate is the better route. And unlike immigration (or guns), this wouldn't be some controversial vote.
Side note: having Biden work with the senate would make a lot of sense. It benefits his 2016 credentials, removes Obama from the equation, and still allows him to swoop in and take credit at the last minute.
Black Mamba
Member
The GOP house isn't going to agree to increase spending anywhere. Just face reality.
if we're spitting truthfacts:
Obama's never been too big on X if you know what I mean. This idea floating around among liberals/progressives that Obama talks about modern-day unemployment the way he does(globalization/technology is too blame for low wages, reagan's got nothing to do with it, taxes just need to be a little more fair etc. etc.) because of politics is nonsense. Read his goddamn books. He genuinely believes it when he says things like that.
Black Mamba
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybi...es-its-time-for-the-99-to-give-back-to-the-1/
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NYCmetsfan
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If the government shuts down the dems have leverage to end the sequester. You're not gonna get above pre-sequester though.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
samething with booker. Obama is a product of the reagan revolution and its warped political landscape. Clinton wouldn't be better but people like warren, brown, the CPC don't work with that framework. Its gonna take more outside agitation and education to really break through to washington. As bams does say "change comes TO washington." That's why those first two years are so important because then washington really changes you.
Yea I saw that earlier today, what a piece of garbage. Either that is the greatest troll of all time or this guy is a total moron.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Mother of god.......... I looked everywhere to see if this was a troll article. The onion was not in my address bar.
Black Mamba
Member
I made a thread on it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=680169
But it's really more just pointing and laughing. I don't think anyone on GAF is going to defend it. Well, you never know...
Oh god, this was one of the best posts I've ever read. haha.
But it's really more just pointing and laughing. I don't think anyone on GAF is going to defend it. Well, you never know...
Oh god, this was one of the best posts I've ever read. haha.
First post in PoliGAF for almost two months, just been flat out with a new project interstate. I have enjoyed lurking all the shenanigans though
You keep talking about how the gun control bill was a waste of time, and I have to disagree. I would be incredibly disappointed if the President didnt do anything to address the string of massacres that has gripped the country for the past few years.
The general consensus on when the democrats turned their back on gun control was the 2000 election, when Al Gore lost his home state in part to his stance on gun control. Since then, there has been no party that has planted their flag in the ground to rally support, organisation and money for the cause of gun control.
The Democrats relinquished their role in the debate to the crazies, and all weve had since then is crazy debate: conceal carry, open carry, guns in bars, arming teachers this idea of the permanently armed citizen is a terrifying vision for what a civil society should be. The gun control debate is the perfect example of what happens when conservatives gain complete command of an issue.
I know how much the Trayvon Martin shooting affected you. Well that was just the manifestation of a gun culture that has gotten out of control: a culture that permits the armed vigilante and then covers for their actions with relaxed gun laws.
Is it any wonder why after a decade of ignoring the epidemic of gun violence, that it seems futile to do anything about it now? We left the discussion long ago and ceded it to people who push a fundamentalist/extremist view on firearms. We cant create a vacuum and then later complain we have no influence.
I am content the President pushed for a modest gun control bill, even if it did fail. When a congresswoman gets shot, when grade school kids get massacred, when the word Chiraq enters the national consciousness I would be appalled if the President and the democrats saw all this and did nothing. At least we have on record now how belligerent and beholden to the NRA the Republican party has become. I certainly wouldn't have traded that opportunity for the faint hope of getting cooperation from a party that has shown no interest in the idea whatsoever.
You keep talking about how the gun control bill was a waste of time, and I have to disagree. I would be incredibly disappointed if the President didnt do anything to address the string of massacres that has gripped the country for the past few years.
The general consensus on when the democrats turned their back on gun control was the 2000 election, when Al Gore lost his home state in part to his stance on gun control. Since then, there has been no party that has planted their flag in the ground to rally support, organisation and money for the cause of gun control.
The Democrats relinquished their role in the debate to the crazies, and all weve had since then is crazy debate: conceal carry, open carry, guns in bars, arming teachers this idea of the permanently armed citizen is a terrifying vision for what a civil society should be. The gun control debate is the perfect example of what happens when conservatives gain complete command of an issue.
I know how much the Trayvon Martin shooting affected you. Well that was just the manifestation of a gun culture that has gotten out of control: a culture that permits the armed vigilante and then covers for their actions with relaxed gun laws.
Is it any wonder why after a decade of ignoring the epidemic of gun violence, that it seems futile to do anything about it now? We left the discussion long ago and ceded it to people who push a fundamentalist/extremist view on firearms. We cant create a vacuum and then later complain we have no influence.
I am content the President pushed for a modest gun control bill, even if it did fail. When a congresswoman gets shot, when grade school kids get massacred, when the word Chiraq enters the national consciousness I would be appalled if the President and the democrats saw all this and did nothing. At least we have on record now how belligerent and beholden to the NRA the Republican party has become. I certainly wouldn't have traded that opportunity for the faint hope of getting cooperation from a party that has shown no interest in the idea whatsoever.
Aaron Strife
Banned
PD just thinks Obama shouldn't attempt to do anything while the Republicans hold the House. Like, anything. He should sit in the oval office with his thumb up his ass.
As a poli sci major I love how the Republicans are primarying themselves out of winning at the national level. BTW, I was talking with one of my professors told who showed our class a graph over the last 100 years of conservative-liberal voting patterns of both parties. She then showed us how much the backlash for any heavy swing either way comes.
Welcome to the beginning of a huge liberal swing within 5-20 years everyone.
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Welcome to the beginning of a huge liberal swing within 5-20 years everyone.
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zero shift
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Its widely shown and agreed that there is going to be a huge shift to the left for the next two decades or so. Gen Xers are left leaning while millennials are the most Democratic voting block since the FDR generation.
Ugh, what a fucking idiot that guy is.
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