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PoliGAF 2013 |OT2| Worth 77% of OT1

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KingK

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I was about to come in and defend Dax for not liking sports or Zelda (I don't like any sports myself and Wind Waker is the only great Zelda game imo. The rest are ok.), but then I saw she doesn't like any alcohol...
 

GhaleonEB

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I was about to come in and defend Dax for not liking sports or Zelda (I don't like any sports myself and Wind Waker is the only great Zelda game imo. The rest are ok.), but then I saw she doesn't like any alcohol...

I don't drink either. Come at me bro.
 

KingK

Member
I don't drink either. Come at me bro.

Well you just lost my vote. I like my mods to be people I could sit down and have a beer with.

To be honest, I've always much preferred marijuana to alcohol. I only enjoyed like 2 different kinds of drinks until about 2 years ago when I acquired a taste for beer and started enjoying more variety. Now I like pretty much any drink (still not a fan of most wine though). I also just turned 21 like 6 months ago so it's become a lot easier to experiment lol.
 
Thought you folks may be interested. I work for a major carrier in WA, OR, AK and had a neeting today with the other agents as well as management and had an opportunity to speak to some higher up folks. Basically asked what they expect in terms of employers dropping coverage/hours for employees due to the ACA. They stated that talking to employers both big and small alike and the vast majority stated that they are on board with continuing to offer benefits and as of now aren't planning on cutting hours.

Also getting ready for open enrollment starting 10/1. Gonna be nuts. So far I've received mostly positive calls but we'll see if that changes going forward.
 

KingK

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Thought you folks may be interested. I work for a major carrier in WA, OR, AK and had a neeting today with the other agents as well as management and had an opportunity to speak to some higher up folks. Basically asked what they expect in terms of employers dropping coverage/hours for employees due to the ACA. They stated that talking to employers both big and small alike and the vast majority stated that they are on board with continuing to offer benefits and as of now aren't planning on cutting hours.

Also getting ready for open enrollment starting 10/1. Gonna be nuts. So far I've received mostly positive calls but we'll see if that changes going forward.
That's good news. I still wish health insurance was completely separated from employment though.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Turkey Says It Shot Down Syrian Military Helicopter Flying in Its Airspace

If Turkey deliberately provokes an attack from Syria, are we still obligated to help them?

I'd say they'd be justified if (and that's a big if) it actually was in their airspace. They're probably worried about the civil war spilling over the boarder. Especially considering all the trouble they've been having. All that said I doubt we'd be obligated to help if they did provoke an attack or attack first.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
What is up with Jon Stewart? He's been on a jihad against Obama/Kerry/etc. since he came back.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
What is up with Jon Stewart? He's been on a jihad against Obama/Kerry/etc. since he came back.

I'll admit to not seeing all of tonight's episode, but I don't think it came off that way. I saw him really go in on the Fox News guys for flip flopping and having boners for bombings, but other than the occasional Magoo-esque joke about how we fell backwards into a diplomatic solution I don't really see that. Any examples I might have missed?
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
I'll admit to not seeing all of tonight's episode, but I don't think it came off that way. I saw him really go in on the Fox News guys for flip flopping and having boners for bombings, but other than the occasional Magoo-esque joke about how we fell backwards into a diplomatic solution I don't really see that. Any examples I might have missed?

Not so much tonight's episode, but most of last week he seemed pretty brutal. Or at the very least, he seemed to be mocking them more frequently.

They deserve it?

Perhaps. I'm not saying that Obama shouldn't be criticized for things, it's just that it feels weird for Stewart to be going after him as if he was Bush.
 
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thepotatoman

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Politics are going to suck for a while. Maybe after 2020 they will suck less.

By then we'll have PS5 and Xbox Two with 4K resolution Oculus Rift support and self driving cars. No one will care about politics after that.
 
Pretty sad that the only thing that's ever even marginally held Larry Summers accountable for anything is democracy. It's a good reflection on democracy, but a poor reflection on elite institutions generally. Not that it's anything we didn't already know.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
When you get to the point where you put personal loyalty or even just personal connections over competence is when you've succumbed to cronyism.
 
Heidi Moore wrote an excellent article on the Guardian today about the whole Summers debacle. I think she nails the situation surrounding the Obama administration perfectly.
Really his the nail on the head. The economy is quite bad right now, and the administration seems completely distracted or oblivious. Guns, pre-k education, immigration, etc; I wouldn't include Syria since it's a crisis we don't have control over. But 2013 has been largely wasted by 2014 games and poll tested nonsense. The middle class is drowning.

Obviously the House is an obstacle, but it's clear the senate can get something done. Tax credits, tax cuts, infrastructure (even Rand Paul supports that), cut spending...do something. Yet the WH has sat on its hands outside of a weak trial balloon on corporate tax cuts (which actually raises taxes) that went nowhere. This is a crisis and it seems like Obama doesn't get it, based on his comments about the economy. It's not going to fix itself.

The House has nothing to show to constituents in 2014, especially once Obamacare goes into effect next month. In short they'd be receptive to a decent economic plan if it had enough goodies for them, specially tax cuts and credits. There is a path to get something done in the House if navigated well.
 
So, Wisconsin

Scott Walker (R) 47
Peter Barca (D) 43

Walker 48
Mary Burke (D) 42

Walker 47
Tom Nelson (D) 40

Walker 47
Kathleen Vinehout (D) 41

See now, I don't know who any of these people are. And it's remarkable how consistent Walker's performance is, yet narrow - he stays in the high 40s, which lines up perfectly with his approval rating. I think it'd be a mistake to write off this election, Wisconsin's economy sucks and the abortion bill is hugely unpopular (20 support, 47 oppose). I know most of the big Democrats have cold feet after the recall, which in hindsight was a mistake and the Democrats came off as sore losers.

Also, the undecideds in the race are Democrats. Win them over and that gap begins to close.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
When you get to the point where you put personal loyalty or even just personal connections over competence is when you've succumbed to cronyism.
I don't think Obama or his team viewed Summers as incompetent, or less competent than other candidates. Read into that what you will, but it isn't quite a case of my cousin vinny being fed chair.

Still cronyism, but not quit as cynical a version.

Edit: Remember, Obama tried the best minds approach with Chu and it didnt work out (for oabama). It's a mistake to think that will be the usual outcome, but I can see why he would shy away from unknown (to him) quantities in the future.
 
I'd be interested to get some opinions on this

WASHINGTON (AP) — A new government study says federal health care and retirement programs are threatening to overwhelm the federal budget and harm the economy in coming decades unless Washington finds the political will to restrain their growth.

The Congressional Budget Office report says government spending on health care and Social Security would double, relative to the size of the economy, in 25 years and that spending on other programs like defense, transportation and education would decline to its smallest level by the same measure since the Great Depression.

The report is one of a series by the agency and other budget watchdogs warning that spiraling long-term debt threatens to crowd out private investment, raise interest rates and limit Washington’s ability to respond to a financial crisis.

Usually it's the GOP that is behind statements such as this. While the CBO can only work with the numers it currently has, I still find it interesting that they're now wringing the debt crisis bells. Obviously we're spending way more than we should on defense and one of the reasons for the ACA was to bend the curve of health care spending so hopefully the spending there will decrease in the coming years. What do you folks think? Anything to be concerned about? That is obviously assuming the job market doesn't fully stabilize.
 

MightyKAC

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So, Wisconsin



See now, I don't know who any of these people are. And it's remarkable how consistent Walker's performance is, yet narrow - he stays in the high 40s, which lines up perfectly with his approval rating. I think it'd be a mistake to write off this election, Wisconsin's economy sucks and the abortion bill is hugely unpopular (20 support, 47 oppose). I know most of the big Democrats have cold feet after the recall, which in hindsight was a mistake and the Democrats came off as sore losers.

Also, the undecideds in the race are Democrats. Win them over and that gap begins to close.

And just to put this out there so that it's out there....

Q18 If you are white, press 1. If other, press 2.
White 90% ..............................................................
Other 10% ..............................................................
 
I'd be interested to get some opinions on this

Usually it's the GOP that is behind statements such as this. While the CBO can only work with the numers it currently has, I still find it interesting that they're now wringing the debt crisis bells. Obviously we're spending way more than we should on defense and one of the reasons for the ACA was to bend the curve of health care spending so hopefully the spending there will decrease in the coming years. What do you folks think? Anything to be concerned about? That is obviously assuming the job market doesn't fully stabilize.

The CBO doesn't know what it's talking about when it comes to debt. Here's what the report says:

How long the nation could sustain such growth in federal debt is impossible to predict with any confidence. At some point, investors would begin to doubt the government’s willingness or ability to pay U.S. debt obligations, making it more difficult or more expensive for the government to borrow money. Moreover, even before that point was reached, the high and rising amount of debt that CBO projects under the extended baseline would have significant negative consequences for both the economy and the federal budget:

  • Increased borrowing by the federal government would eventually reduce private investment in productive capital, because the portion of total savings used to buy government securities would not be available to finance private investment. The result would be a smaller stock of capital and lower output and income in the long run than would otherwise be the case. Despite those reductions, however, the continued growth of productivity would make real (inflation-adjusted) output and income per person higher in the future than they are now.
  • Federal spending on interest payments would rise, thus requiring larger changes in tax and spending policies to achieve any chosen targets for budget deficits and debt.
  • The government would have less flexibility to use tax and spending policies to respond to unexpected challenges, such as economic downturns or wars.
  • The risk of a fiscal crisis—in which investors demanded very high interest rates to finance the government’s borrowing needs—would increase.

None of this is correct. And even if it were, it could all be avoided by a simple change in the law that does not require the government's bond sales to match its deficit spending every year.

Consider who the government is paying when it pays interest on bonds. The public! So, absent a change in law, it has to raise taxes on the public to cover increasing interest payments to the public. This is a wash that has only distributional effects, i.e., who gets paid interest and who is made to pay taxes.

The notion that government debt "crowds out" private investment is a myth: "As you can see in the chart below showing the (consolidated) government fiscal position and the total level of business investment in structures, machinery and equipment as a percentage of GDP since 1981, there is no relationship between the fiscal position of the government sector and level of business investment (click on chart to expand). Indeed, the level of business investment remained within a fairly constant range during the entire period, regardless of whether the government sector was running a deficit or not."

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Also, investors have no power to demand high interest rates on bonds and their purchases of bonds do not "finance" the government's borrowing needs. Rather, the government exogenously sets interest rates (through buying and selling the government's stock of debt) and it is the government that finances investors' risk-free interest earnings through its bond program.
 
I'd be interested to get some opinions on this



Usually it's the GOP that is behind statements such as this. While the CBO can only work with the numers it currently has, I still find it interesting that they're now wringing the debt crisis bells. Obviously we're spending way more than we should on defense and one of the reasons for the ACA was to bend the curve of health care spending so hopefully the spending there will decrease in the coming years. What do you folks think? Anything to be concerned about? That is obviously assuming the job market doesn't fully stabilize.


As I was reading this I was thinking, "man EV is gonna have a field day with this"


Two posts later lol


I wish we could get honest economic discussion, but everything has to be politically charged to scare the masses into thinking china will own us all soon.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
lol:

Republicans like the 2010 health care law better when it's called by its proper name—the Affordable Care Act—instead of Obamacare, according to a new Fox News poll.
Republican support for the law jumped eight percent, from 14 percent for Obamacare to 22 percent for the Affordable Care Act, when pollsters revised the question's language.
 

bonercop

Member
Talk about irony.

eh, that's actually an extremely common thing. Depending on how poll questions get framed, you can get wildly different outcomes for the same question. Asking if a service should be "public", for instance, will always get you higher numbers in favor of it than if you use the words "government-run".
 

Wilsongt

Member
eh, that's actually an extremely common thing. Depending on how poll questions get framed, you can get wildly different outcomes for the same question. Asking if a service should be "public", for instance, will always get you higher numbers in favor of it than if you use the words "government-run".

The irony is that the Republicans came up with and really pushed the term "Obamacare" hard so that it became the norm to call the ACA Obamacare. Drop the "Obama" from it and "Affordable Care Act" becomes a more favorable idea.

Republicans hate the very word the invented.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
The irony is that the Republicans came up with and really pushed the term "Obamacare" hard so that it became the norm to call the ACA Obamacare. Drop the "Obama" from it and "Affordable Care Act" becomes a more favorable idea.

Republicans hate the very word the invented.
Well, that was the point.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Gaming side has a thread on this, but second day on the job and Elizabeth Hasselidiot already blaming games for yesterday's shooting, complete with this image:

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Gaming side has a thread on this, but second day on the job and Elizabeth Hasselidiot already blaming games for yesterday's shooting, complete with this image:

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What are the chances that 7 young men drawn at random from the late 1990s to the present would have played video games? Must be minuscule. Clearly she's on to something.
 

Wilsongt

Member
The Onion occasionally likes to get too real and this is definitely one of those times

http://www.theonion.com/articles/de...lMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default

You know, honestly, the underlying tone of that article has some truth to it. Obviously there are some people who must enjoy mass shootings (NRA) because little has been done to try to curb them other than trying to provide more guns.

It's almost as if the people (NRA) have some sort of hard-on when shootings happen. Shootings happen, try to do something to curb gun violence, gun sales surge, gun control fails, rinse and repeat. I almost see a pattern.
 
Also, they seem to share another characteristic. Being young men.

So they...probably watch porn, play videogames, likely have watched Walking Dead or Game Of Thrones, etc.

The guy heard voices in his head, I'm pretty sure he was unstable before playing a video game.
 
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