Black Mamba
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I stumbled upon this little gem a few moments ago. Here's another link for Fox News concerning all of our shooters from their graphic earlier!
Fuck me.
#4 isn't even true. It's been long debunked.
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#4 isn't even true. It's been long debunked.
I wouldn't be shocked if most of them were wrong.
PhoenixDark
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Here's the problem: Obama missed the mark with his gun legislation. Violence in general has been decreasing for 20 years, but the gun violence that does exist is dominated by handgun violence. Yet the biggest focus of the bill was an automatic weapons ban. It's a typical Washington way to approach a problem: find a scapegoat half measure, throw money/regulation/etc at it, and pat yourself on the back. If you want to address gun violence you need to focus on ending gun trafficking and straw purchases. Banning AR-15s and "background checks" doesn't fix a damn thing.
I don't think anything would have passed due to Obama being in office, or Hillary or whichever democrat follows him; I personally believe only a republican president could have a chance at passing a bipartisan gun control bill. Gun control is an issue where people deserve honesty, and the honest truth is that a gun control bill will probably never be passed in this country. I would have respected Obama if he said that a week after Sandy, but no politician will say that. His mere presence in the White House enrages people to the point where even common sense shit like a harmless gun control bill can't be passed, and it's why immigration probably won't be passed either. Outside of getting some economic bills passed, I just don't see him achieving anything else. Which is why I'd rather there be a "laser focus" on economic issues than a gun bill everyone except Joe Biden knew wasn't going to pass.
With respect to Zimmerman...he had a handgun, and the culture that led to that confrontation was more about race than gun culture IMO; but you're right, mixing both together led to bad things happening. But I don't think there's anything that will change that mentality. You can't change hundreds of years of conditioning with legislation.
Black Mamba
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uh, what about the part about expanded background checks supported by 85% of people?
PhoenixDark
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Because any vote against "gun rights" can put someone's seat in danger. The percentage isn't the point here. People who support background checks span the political spectrum; they're republicans, democrats, independents, etc. But when election time comes they don't vote based on who supports background checks, they're voting their economic and social interests. That's why the NRA continues to win: their team votes entirely based on guns.
What happened in Colorado ensures no gun control legislation will be revived, even though the vote was close as fuck. Guess who didn't show up to vote.
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=83968
I guess they cut the part where they called the Korean national a registered Democrat. Although they probably should've kept that in and argued for more immigration control also.
Avon Barksdale
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If a Republican President proposed gun control, they'd face a Reagan-like primary challenge. Way too many gun nuts on the right.
National Socialist German Workers' Party? Checkmate, liberals.
e: I really shouldn't joke like this, something to the effect of that was paraded around in the UK PoliGAF thread this year.
Registered means registered to vote under a party. Can't vote unless you're a citizen.
The Librarian
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The RSC will roll out the Republican alternative to ACA. Curious to find out what's in it, but it probably won't be much of an alternative.
Tax credits to corporations for premiums I'm guessing.
The Librarian
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So, about that government shutdown.
Kevin Drum, on Robert Costa's sources:
That Plan B? A one-year delay, according to Dave Weigel.
Kevin Drum, on Robert Costa's sources:
But getting such a CR through the Democratic Senate and signed into law will be very difficult and many House Republican insiders say a Plan B may be needed.
Heres how my sources expect the gambit to unfold: The House passes a defund CR, throws it to the Senate, and waits to see what Senator Ted Cruz and his allies can do. Maybe they can get it through, maybe they cant. Boehner and Cantor will be supportive, and conservative activists will rally.
But if Cruz and company cant round up the votes, the House leadership will likely ask Republicans to turn their focus to the debt limit, avoid a shutdown, and pass a revised CR one that doesnt defund Obamacare.
It cracks me up that Costa is able to repeat this stuff with a straight face. I guess he has to in order to stay in the good graces of his sources. But here's how it's really going to play out: The House will pass this bill. Tea partiers everywhere will rejoice. And that will be it. Harry Reid will just laugh and toss it in the dustbin.Heres how my sources expect the gambit to unfold: The House passes a defund CR, throws it to the Senate, and waits to see what Senator Ted Cruz and his allies can do. Maybe they can get it through, maybe they cant. Boehner and Cantor will be supportive, and conservative activists will rally.
But if Cruz and company cant round up the votes, the House leadership will likely ask Republicans to turn their focus to the debt limit, avoid a shutdown, and pass a revised CR one that doesnt defund Obamacare.
That Plan B? A one-year delay, according to Dave Weigel.
I've had 4 impacted wisdom teeth for 3 years now. And yeah, insurance wouldn't really help my situation. Nobody wants to help me.
It doesn't help that it's still viewed as cosmetic or elective care. When it's directly linked to heart health and an infection an inch away from your brain can turn deadly, fast.
I've told a friend that if your teeth were inside your throat for example, probably everyone could get them easily taken care of. But since they're visible, they suddenly become special exceptions in care coverage.
At one point I had enough money to get ONE of the wisdom teeth removed and the dentist aborted the procedure. Luckily he refunded the entire bill. But fuck. Imagine being all drugged up, thinking all you have to do is get through the next hour, and then being sent home with your bad teeth still in.
The Librarian
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Because after being impaled you'd get coverage, of course.
Giant Panda
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http://news.yahoo.com/brazil-looks-break-us-centric-internet-040702309.html
I would hope reactions like this would make the NSA realize they have gone too far with their unnecessary snooping, but I'm probably being overly optimistic.
I would hope reactions like this would make the NSA realize they have gone too far with their unnecessary snooping, but I'm probably being overly optimistic.
The Librarian
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THE REPUBLICAN ALTERNATIVE IS HERE WOOOOOOOOOOO
IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WOOOOOOOOOOO
The bill from the Republican Study Committee would fully repeal the 2010 law and replace it with an expansion of health savings accounts, medical liability reform and the elimination of restrictions on purchasing insurance across state lines.
IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WOOOOOOOOOOO
AnotherNils
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I can't tell if they scrapped the provision because they don't want to have anything in common with the ACA or because they just can't bear to throw people a bone. Or both. Jus' turrible
PhoenixDark
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Of course, if asked they'd say "we support those provisions, and do plan on including them in our plan!"
The real reason they aren't in the plan is because they require actual legislation and serious number crunching, not a few pages to wave around and say "we have a plan too!" Health care is serious business, which is why complaining about the bill's page count always struck me as disingenuous. You can't write a bill that says "insurance can't discriminate against sick people" without some mechanism to back it up.
CharlieDigital
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That's an XBone right there, bro.
Don't let the GOP get ahold of this.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/09/17/9-store-owners-in-baltimore-city-indicted-in-food-stamp-fraud
I love my city lol
Although I disagree with the idea of food stamps. Maybe this fraud will open up people's eyes that maybe direct payment transfers to those in need is better suited than wasting time and money on food stamps.
These people obviously were strapped for cash and traded in their food allowances for cash. But the government will use this as an excuse to shame entitlements and highlight "rampant fraud" even though this is the first case I have seen in years
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/09/17/9-store-owners-in-baltimore-city-indicted-in-food-stamp-fraud
I love my city lol
Although I disagree with the idea of food stamps. Maybe this fraud will open up people's eyes that maybe direct payment transfers to those in need is better suited than wasting time and money on food stamps.
These people obviously were strapped for cash and traded in their food allowances for cash. But the government will use this as an excuse to shame entitlements and highlight "rampant fraud" even though this is the first case I have seen in years
The Librarian
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Bill de Blasio is leading his opponent by 43 percentage points oh no what ever will he do
The GOP are still in love with a system that blocks the poor and sick from access to healthcare. No surprises, though I thought they'd at least throw a populist bone in there. Nope.
NYCmetsfan
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Defeat government spying by increasing government involvement in the internet? Brazil has its own domestic spying programs. This is just a Brazilian politician and using the profound fear of the 'colonizer' for political popularity. Yeah lets protect our citizens by centralizing everything in one country where its a lot easier to monitor and store!
I have problems with a lot the NSA is doing and its general cowboy nature but this is politics and much of these types of things already go on in China where the government has taken control of how the internet architecture works.
Yeah, that's still a savings.
PhoenixDark
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The funny thing is Obama trying to convince her to change her mind, as if nothing wrong was done. I would have loved to hear that conversation.
The NSA is what has led to his nosedive in the polls, and the general lack of trust now.
Wow that is completely useless.
He doesn't stand a chance! Diablos was right!
Within 24 hours every insurance company would relocate to Delaware or whatever state allows an insurance company to fuck over it's customers the most
I believe that would be Kansas or Oklahoma.
Yup. It's always been a ruse.
PhoenixDark
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Same happened with credit cards.
It's a nice talking point, sounds good to most people...but even the smallest amount of thinking should be able to convince people it's not a good idea.
I wish I could remember the name of it, but my parents watched a documentary on Netflix about the whole credit/loan business, where they spent a lot of time on that race to the bottom that occurred when loans/credit got deregulated.
Their response was "what the fuck, i was not aware, and that should be not be possible"
I think in it they talked to a former governor of one of the states that gave them the best interest rates, and also interviewed the guy that convinced the banks to give out 0% interest cards. I think it already fell off my watch history, so I can't go look it up.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...b-to-correct-gop-s-obamacare-falsehoods-video
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...b-to-correct-gop-s-obamacare-falsehoods-video
At least Chuck Todd is finally being honest that the cable networks solely exist as stenographers.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...b-to-correct-gop-s-obamacare-falsehoods-video
At least Chuck Todd is finally being honest that the cable networks solely exist as stenographers.
PhoenixDark
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The WH certainly failed, but that doesn't mean the media has no role to play. Should they be advertising exchanges? Probably not. But when basic misinformation is spread on air, they should probably...you know...do the journalistic thing and combat it.
So basically what he's saying is that people shouldn't expect the news to report factual information? Wow that's some disconnect right there...
Can I just point out that not all journalists think like this, the good voices tend to get drowned out. Cable News, outside of a few shows and the entirety of NY1, does tend to be an abomination.
The fact is the news has turned into a for-profit enterprise, which frankly does nothing to help with credibility. It's this line of thought that gave rise to the likes of FOX and MSNBC.
I stumbled upon this little gem a few moments ago. Here's another link for Fox News concerning all of our shooters from their graphic earlier!
Fuck me.
lol, how can anyone even take that pic seriously?
RustyNails
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No way that Forbes article is real. Dude is quoting john galt like hes a real economist...
As someone who isn't really that well versed in health care law and issues (my own fault), can someone explain what this means in terms of what proposals they bring up and why they think they will work (or why they won't in practice? or will?). For dummies? For I am dumb.
Black Mamba
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The "allow people to buy across borders" argument has been around for decades. Their idea is that it will make for more competition and thus drive prices down.
Reality is different. Every state has their own rules and regulations. For instance, NY does not allow for denial for pre-existing conditions. So for an insurance firm to work there, this changes what they can do and it's much tougher than in say Arizona.
But the problem with this is if a state's regulations don't matter anymore since you can buy from any other state, the natural reaction of all insurance companies will be to settle in the single state with the least rules and regulations. In other words, every insurance company will set up shop in the state with the shittiest insurance system and we'll all be forced to buy from that. This will make everyone worse off.
HSA expansions could be argued in favor of but this does nothing for the working poor who don't have any access.
"medical liability reform" is another GOP gambit from the past 30 years. That's not to say that fixing our awful court systems wouldn't help but for one I have yet to hear how they'd fix it and for another it would only help marginally. Yeah, it raises costs but it's like 10th on the list of things that raises costs. Start dealing with the shit that really is a problem.
The conservative answer the health care has not changed in 30 years. Much like it's answer for the economy (cut taxes at the top!) hasn't changed. Nothing here is new or workable. It's a bunch of bullshit.
PhoenixDark
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DailyKos article about Obamacare misinformation
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...information-Disinformation-and-Blinding-Panic
I'm seeing this very often at work, and in general conversations with friends. It highlights how bad the White House is at communication, but moreso highlights the FUD campaign from the far right. It's very easy to confuse people on a subject they're already confused about; most people don't understand health insurance, in general. And therein lies the biggest problem for Obamacare. I'm not concerned about Ted Cruz and the defund folks, I'm concerned about the nonsense being spread to regular Americans. The best way to kill the ACA is to ensure young people don't sign up.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...information-Disinformation-and-Blinding-Panic
I'm seeing this very often at work, and in general conversations with friends. It highlights how bad the White House is at communication, but moreso highlights the FUD campaign from the far right. It's very easy to confuse people on a subject they're already confused about; most people don't understand health insurance, in general. And therein lies the biggest problem for Obamacare. I'm not concerned about Ted Cruz and the defund folks, I'm concerned about the nonsense being spread to regular Americans. The best way to kill the ACA is to ensure young people don't sign up.
lol, how can anyone even take that pic seriously?
I've made it a point to ignore people who get their views from jpegs
You just made the Mars Rover team sad.
Black Republican
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How the fuck did the ED Show make a comeback on weekdays? :/
ridethepiggy
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Does anyone have a list of the crazy tax writeoffs that the top earners/corporations use to get around paying their taxes?
Also, how do you folks respond to those who say until liberals sell their homes, cars, etc., and give the proceeds to the poor they don't have any standing to tell the rich that they should pay more in taxes?
Also, how do you folks respond to those who say until liberals sell their homes, cars, etc., and give the proceeds to the poor they don't have any standing to tell the rich that they should pay more in taxes?
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